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    Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Do the KC Chiefs have a great #1 WR?

    Or do they have an innovative attack?

    Can RB's, Slot receivers or TE's be your #1 threat or does it have to be the WR that you mortgage the farm for?

    The game is about scoring points and defense ..... blocking and tackling.

    We might just see a whole new approach this season ..... exploiting the skills across the board.

    Easier to maintain when you can interchange and not live or die with one area with one exceptional player in my judgement.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    When you look at the Chiefs and Patriots SB teams, you won’t find a Hall of Fame WR on and of those teams. So the answer is absolutely.
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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    When you look at the Chiefs and Patriots SB teams, you won’t find a Hall of Fame WR on and of those teams let alone a true #1. So the answer is absolutely.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    When you look at the Chiefs and Patriots SB teams, you won’t find a Hall of Fame WR on and of those teams. So the answer is absolutely.
    But the did have/had 1st ballot HOF TEs.

    So the answer to the OP is no. But yes

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    "Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?"


    Duh. Yes, of course.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    But the did have/had 1st ballot HOF TEs.

    So the answer to the OP is no. But yes
    You don’t need a true number one nor do you need a stud TE. Brady won several Super Bowls without either, The Buccaneers won their first one without either, the Seahawks had neither. I’m sure there are a bunch more.

    You don’t even need a great QB necessarily. Having those components helps obviously but winning elixirs have been stirred up without.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Can you win one with a dip**** HC is the better question. I can think of only Barry Switzer or Mike Ditka, but they had 2 of the most stacked teams to ever play.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Look at Stafford progression after Calvin left.

    Eli improved after Jeremy Shockey I know heís a TE but he was loudmouth

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Look at Stafford improvement without Calvin

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    But the did have/had 1st ballot HOF TEs.

    So the answer to the OP is no. But yes
    I talked about this already in another thred, but this specifically asked about "WR". However, TE isn't a needed either. People can say what they want, it's still defense. Look at Trent Differ.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    I talked about this already in another thred, but this specifically asked about "WR". However, TE isn't a needed either. People can say what they want, it's still defense. Look at Trent Differ.

    I understand what you are trying to say. But, no, it's NOT "still defense". Not to say that defense does not matter, but the old adage that "defense wins championships" is simply outdated and, eh...old.

    You need to go back TWENTY THREE YEARS to dredge up the name of Trent Differ proves how weak the argument is. The NFL is a different game than 2000.

    In today's game it's ALL about offense and in particular stellar QB play. It's no surprise that five of the last six Super Bowls were won by one of only TWO QB's...Brady and Mahomes, two GOAT's.

    The third QB to win a SB the past six yeas was the elite Matt Stafford.

    Not surprising is that the only SB in the past six years not won with either Brady or Mahomes (with either of them as MVP), had a WR as MVP. Cooper Cupp.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    The Chiefs defense beat the Ravens for the AFC title.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    When you look at the Chiefs and Patriots SB teams, you won’t find a Hall of Fame WR on and of those teams let alone a true #1. So the answer is absolutely.
    I am pretty sure the Chiefs won one of their super bowls with Tyreek Hill. Am I not remembering correctly? I think he is in the midst of a HOF caliber career.

    Obviously both those teams had HOF caliber TEs and two of the top 10 QBs of all time (maybe top 5).

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by EDS View Post
    I am pretty sure the Chiefs won one of their super bowls with Tyreek Hill. Am I not remembering correctly? I think he is in the midst of a HOF caliber career.

    Obviously both those teams had HOF caliber TEs and two of the top 10 QBs of all time (maybe top 5).
    Yes, Hill was on the Chiefs for their SB win in 2019 but not the last two. And I’m not quite ready to give Hill HOF honors yet. He’s often injured which could hurt him in the long run.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    Yes, Hill was on the Chiefs for their SB win in 2019 but not the last two. And I’m not quite ready to give Hill HOF honors yet. He’s often injured which could hurt him in the long run.
    Hill was on a rookie deal as well

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    When you look at the Chiefs and Patriots SB teams, you won’t find a Hall of Fame WR on and of those teams. So the answer is absolutely.
    Ummm…. Patriots had Gronk and Hernandez before he decided to play Grand Theft Auto IRL. Chiefs have Kelce.

    It’s notoriously difficult for WR’s to make the HOF so it’s disingenuous to say that they never had a HOF WR. Plenty of great WR’s will never make the Hall. And, their main receiving threat was a TE, not a WR, but they still had a HOF receiving threat.

    Can a team win a SB without a great WR? Probably. Can a team win a SB without a great offensive weapon behind just the QB? No, and the Bills don’t currently have that.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Ummm…. Patriots had Gronk and Hernandez before he decided to play Grand Theft Auto IRL. Chiefs have Kelce.

    It’s notoriously difficult for WR’s to make the HOF so it’s disingenuous to say that they never had a HOF WR. Plenty of great WR’s will never make the Hall. And, their main receiving threat was a TE, not a WR, but they still had a HOF receiving threat.

    Can a team win a SB without a great WR? Probably. Can a team win a SB without a great offensive weapon behind just the QB? No, and the Bills don’t currently have that.
    Brady won THREE Super Bowls without Gronkowski there Opster. He had receivers you wouldn’t know the names of.

    We don’t absolutely have to have an all-pro WR.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Ummm…. Patriots had Gronk and Hernandez before he decided to play Grand Theft Auto IRL. Chiefs have Kelce.

    It’s notoriously difficult for WR’s to make the HOF so it’s disingenuous to say that they never had a HOF WR. Plenty of great WR’s will never make the Hall. And, their main receiving threat was a TE, not a WR, but they still had a HOF receiving threat.

    Can a team win a SB without a great WR? Probably. Can a team win a SB without a great offensive weapon behind just the QB? No, and the Bills don’t currently have that.
    If you weren’t so busy trying to show us how bad things are, you would have seen I acknowledged the TE in post #10!

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    If you werenít so busy trying to show us how bad things are, you would have seen I acknowledged the TE in post #10!
    The point still remains. The great QBís still need a true offensive threat- the guy thatís gonna make the key play on 3rd and 12, the guy thatís gonna draw triple coverage so the rookie 3rd WR can run wide open down the sideline. The Bills donít have that guy. You could argue that Diggs was no longer that guy- maybe youíd be right but itís a moot point. We donít have Diggs, we donít have that guy and we arenít gonna get him with the cap situation, at least not this year.

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    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    The point still remains. The great QB’s still need a true offensive threat- the guy that’s gonna make the key play on 3rd and 12, the guy that’s gonna draw triple coverage so the rookie 3rd WR can run wide open down the sideline. The Bills don’t have that guy. You could argue that Diggs was no longer that guy- maybe you’d be right but it’s a moot point. We don’t have Diggs, we don’t have that guy and we aren’t gonna get him with the cap situation, at least not this year.
    NO S**T! But again the thread was can we win a SB without a great #1? I’ll stand but what I said, no. It’s been a moot point, Diggs was non-existent for the most part in the playoffs. Let me ask you this, other than causes issues on this team, what was Diggs contributions to this teams over the last half of last year and the playoffs and can or can we find someone to put up his numbers? I think so!

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