If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

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  • sukie
    Seriously?
    • Sep 2012
    • 21505

    #16
    Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

    Bills will be feasting and living on players on rookie deals. They need the picks more that Harrison.

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    • OpIv37
      Acid Douching Asswipe
      • Sep 2002
      • 101230

      #17
      Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

      Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
      They didn't go all in for Miller. They gave up nothing but money.

      The question wasn't about Von Miller. It was about MHJ.

      Can you ever answer a topic without some kind of passive aggressive complainin?
      Weird revisionist history. Von’s contract is the reason for the bloodletting this offseason and the reason we can’t afford multiple picks for a WR.
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      • sukie
        Seriously?
        • Sep 2012
        • 21505

        #18
        Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

        So you wanted to resign Poyer Hyde and Tre if Von was gone?

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        • DraftBoy
          Administrator
          • Jul 2002
          • 107452

          #19
          Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

          That Beane is getting desperate if he’s willing to risk his job this way.
          COMING SOON...
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          We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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          • sukie
            Seriously?
            • Sep 2012
            • 21505

            #20
            Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

            31mil dead cap has nothing to do with Von.

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            • Mace
              Haha...yeah you think so ?
              • Mar 2013
              • 20314

              #21
              Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

              I'd be upset...."all in" did not work and we need the picks we'd spend to ger young cheaper impact talent. We need to restock.

              That said, the 2nd for Diggs next year is burning a hole in Beane's pocket and he's trading up to some extent ... Can't help himself... that's why we don't have draft talent pipeline pushing fa starters and pay for bargain bin slap patch starters.

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              • justasportsfan
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                • Jul 2002
                • 71579

                #22
                Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

                I'd rather use all our picks on receivers than go all in in one guy.
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                • Forward_Lateral
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                  • Mar 2004
                  • 29895

                  #23
                  Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

                  Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                  Weird revisionist history. Von’s contract is the reason for the bloodletting this offseason and the reason we can’t afford multiple picks for a WR.
                  Diggs’ contract is much more of a hindernace than Vons. Again, this was about the draft, not Von Miller

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                  • Forward_Lateral
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                    • Mar 2004
                    • 29895

                    #24
                    Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

                    Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                    Weird revisionist history. Von’s contract is the reason for the bloodletting this offseason and the reason we can’t afford multiple picks for a WR.
                    Originally posted by justasportsfan View Post
                    I'd rather use all our picks on receivers than go all in in one guy.
                    Fair.

                    Again I’m not saying I think they should, but I have a feeling they will move up significantly for a WR. Do I think they’ll pull a Ditka? No. But there’s been more than one talking head saying MHJ is going to be a Bill

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                    • OpIv37
                      Acid Douching Asswipe
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 101230

                      #25
                      Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

                      Originally posted by sukie View Post
                      31mil dead cap has nothing to do with Von.
                      31 mil in dead cap is only a tiny fraction of this year’s cap issues.
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                      • OpIv37
                        Acid Douching Asswipe
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 101230

                        #26
                        Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

                        Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
                        Diggs’ contract is much more of a hindernace than Vons. Again, this was about the draft, not Von Miller
                        Um no. All the bloodletting happened before the Diggs trade. When they signed Von, they knew this year would be cap hell and they bet the farm they’d win it before the bills came due. They failed.

                        And, if we didn’t have to cut so many guys due to the cap problems, trading up in the draft would be a more viable option. But all the cap cuts created a ton of holes and left the draft as the only available option to fill them. So, the initial premise of trading up for MHJ is no longer viable.

                        Saying “it’s just about this draft” is an insane oversimplification that does not account for the reality of the cap situation largely created by overpaying Von. You want to look at the draft as a vacuum and that’s simply not realistic.
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                        • OpIv37
                          Acid Douching Asswipe
                          • Sep 2002
                          • 101230

                          #27
                          Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

                          And on a related note, we lost Diggs, Morse, White, and Poyer, and likely Hyde. We have no cap room. If we had at least one ring, no one would give a ****. Instead, it’s a rebuild in the prime of Josh’s career. And people think it’s somehow even worthy of discussion to trade virtually an entire draft for 1 WR?

                          There is no analytical ability or reasonable thought process involved in even invoking the question. It just makes zero sense given the reality of the team’s situation.
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                          • notacon
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                            • Aug 2012
                            • 32991

                            #28
                            Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

                            Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                            31 mil in dead cap is only a tiny fraction of this year’s cap issues.
                            You can't be serous??? Well, maybe you can. Your judgement and grasp of reality has been shown to be way off the wall.

                            Even before the additional $4M cap hit the Bills took by trading Diggs, he had the second largest cap number of the whole team, only behind Josh Allen.

                            His $27M (would have if he stayed on the team) equaled 10.7% of the total cap (Josh's $303M equals 11.89%). Von Miller's 5.93% cap hit is #3. A FAR cry from 10.7%....45% LESS.

                            Elite franchise QB's are supposed to be the #1 cap hit on the team. Josh 11.89% ranks him #9 in the NFL and less than HALF of two relative slugs in Deshaun Watson (25.05%) and Dak Prescott (23.28%)

                            Diggs' $27M cap hit would have had him #4 in WR.

                            Sorry, but $27M (or $31M) cap hit is NOT "only a tiny fraction of this year's cap issues".

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                            • notacon
                              Registered User
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 32991

                              #29
                              Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

                              Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                              And on a related note, we lost Diggs, Morse, White, and Poyer, and likely Hyde. We have no cap room. If we had at least one ring, no one would give a ****. Instead, it’s a rebuild in the prime of Josh’s career. And people think it’s somehow even worthy of discussion to trade virtually an entire draft for 1 WR?

                              There is no analytical ability or reasonable thought process involved in even invoking the question. It just makes zero sense given the reality of the team’s situation.
                              Diggs - BYE-BYE. He was useless in the playoffs and not worth the headache. Getting him off the books completely going forward is a fantastic and smart cap management. Great to move on from him now, and get relatively high value in draft capital.

                              BTW...you were one that said there was "no way to move him." two months before they did exactly that. Another one of your wonderful predictions that are worthless.

                              Morse - He has already been replaced and him being gone will make hardly any difference. He was aging and on the downside of his career, with a history of concussions. Good move to cut him loose.

                              White - damaged goods. Also on the downside of his career and will never be what he was before his two devastating injuries. His age and injury history has this a GREAT move to cut him loose.

                              Poyer - damaged goods. Already past the "downside of his career" but so valueless that he could only get barely above vet minimum. Another GREAT move to cut him loose.

                              Hyde - more damaged goods. It's no surprise that he is still a FA. Likely that he will retire. The Bills could still re-sign him (probably) for vet minimum if they deem it worth while.

                              The Bills DO have "cap space" coming June 1. They don't need aging expensive vets. This is NOT a "rebuild"...how dumb. The core is strong and the past few drafts have the Bills in fantastic shape with a plethora of very good players, with great upsides.

                              Kincaid
                              Torrence
                              James Cook
                              Terrel Bernard
                              Shakir
                              Benford
                              Rousseau
                              Spencer Brown

                              Are all solid starters that are young and (mostly) cheap.

                              This draft his LOADED with excellent WR prospects.

                              All-in-all, the Bills are in very good shape and with Josh Allen their Super Bowl window is WIDE OPEN (THIS YEAR), opposite of your sourpuss unrealistic baloney.

                              Just sayin'

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                              • justasportsfan
                                Registered User
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 71579

                                #30
                                Re: If the Bills go "All In" for Marvin Harrison JR, How would you feel?

                                Originally posted by notacon View Post
                                Diggs - BYE-BYE. He was useless in the playoffs and not worth the headache. Getting him off the books completely going forward is a fantastic and smart cap management. Great to move on from him now, and get relatively high value in draft capital.

                                BTW...you were one that said there was "no way to move him." two months before they did exactly that. Another one of your wonderful predictions that are worthless.

                                Morse - He has already been replaced and him being gone will make hardly any difference. He was aging and on the downside of his career, with a history of concussions. Good move to cut him loose.

                                White - damaged goods. Also on the downside of his career and will never be what he was before his two devastating injuries. His age and injury history has this a GREAT move to cut him loose.

                                Poyer - damaged goods. Already past the "downside of his career" but so valueless that he could only get barely above vet minimum. Another GREAT move to cut him loose.

                                Hyde - more damaged goods. It's no surprise that he is still a FA. Likely that he will retire. The Bills could still re-sign him (probably) for vet minimum if they deem it worth while.

                                The Bills DO have "cap space" coming June 1. They don't need aging expensive vets. This is NOT a "rebuild"...how dumb. The core is strong and the past few drafts have the Bills in fantastic shape with a plethora of very good players, with great upsides.

                                Kincaid
                                Torrence
                                James Cook
                                Terrel Bernard
                                Shakir
                                Benford
                                Rousseau
                                Spencer Brown

                                Are all solid starters that are young and (mostly) cheap.

                                This draft his LOADED with excellent WR prospects.

                                All-in-all, the Bills are in very good shape and with Josh Allen their Super Bowl window is WIDE OPEN (THIS YEAR), opposite of your sourpuss unrealistic baloney.

                                Just sayin'
                                I can see where you are both coming from.
                                Granted that they have replacements (to your point) , none of them have proven to be better than the ones they replaced (OPivs point) .

                                We wont know if the young replacements are better until they play. On paper we're NOT better.
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