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  • Bill Cody
    Registered User
    • Sep 2004
    • 11885
    #76
    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
    If Beane dropped back 8 or 10 spots to late in 1st round for 4th, a 5th and a 6th, we'd be calling for his head.
    Every team is in a different situation. What's right for one is wrong for another. Maybe a team that's missed out on their primary target has another player in mind that will be available a bit later. If so, not taking the extra picks would be mismanagement.

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    • Mad Max
      Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
      • Mar 2003
      • 6698
      #77
      Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

      Originally posted by Bill Cody View Post
      Every team is in a different situation. What's right for one is wrong for another. Maybe a team that's missed out on their primary target has another player in mind that will be available a bit later. If so, not taking the extra picks would be mismanagement.
      Trades are going to happen but your math is off on this one. Way off.

      If Beane goes fishing he’s going to have to bring better bait to get BTJ than what you proposed.

      The value chart would have us giving up all 7 of our rounds 4,5 and 6 picks to barely move up to 20. Higher than twenty and those picks aren’t even enough.

      Would a team take all of those lower picks as opposed to 1 or 2 more premium picks? That in and of itself is debatable. I doubt it.

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      • Bill Cody
        Registered User
        • Sep 2004
        • 11885
        #78
        Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

        Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
        Trades are going to happen but your math is off on this one. Way off.

        If Beane goes fishing he’s going to have to bring better bait to get BTJ than what you proposed.

        The value chart would have us giving up all 7 of our rounds 4,5 and 6 picks to barely move up to 20. Higher than twenty and those picks aren’t even enough.

        Would a team take all of those lower picks as opposed to 1 or 2 more premium picks? That in and of itself is debatable. I doubt it.
        You're right. Had the glasses off on that one.

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        • jamze132
          Registered User
          • Jun 2003
          • 29290
          #79
          Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

          Originally posted by Turf View Post
          Definitely move up. I'd rather take a 1a- player over 3 c+ players. That simple for me. I can find c+ players anywhere.
          A lot of teams considered Josh Rosen and Zach Wilson “1a” players. And no team thought enough to draft the GOAT until the 6th round. You just never know who’s going to turn out so take as many players as you can and don’t trade multiple “opportunities” for one you think will be better.

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          • Mad Max
            Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
            • Mar 2003
            • 6698
            #80
            Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

            Originally posted by jamze132 View Post
            A lot of teams considered Josh Rosen and Zach Wilson “1a” players. And no team thought enough to draft the GOAT until the 6th round. You just never know who’s going to turn out so take as many players as you can and don’t trade multiple “opportunities” for one you think will be better.
            Agreed but with a qualifier. I’d want to stack the odds in my favor.

            70% of HOFers have come from rounds 1-3 those are the rounds I’d want to accumulate picks in.

            After that it’s greatly diminishing returns.
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            • Woodman
              Legendary Zoner
              • Apr 2014
              • 65883
              #81
              Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

              Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
              Agreed but with a qualifier. I’d want to stack the odds in my favor.

              70% of HOFers have come from rounds 1-3 those are the rounds I’d want to accumulate picks in.

              After that it’s greatly diminishing returns.

              We might need an upgrade in our scouting department.

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              • kgun12
                Registered User
                • Jul 2002
                • 11315
                #82
                Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

                Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
                I don't see a team willing to drop back that much in the 1st round for a swap and a bunch of day 3 picks. It will cost more than that. Plus BTJ may not drop past the Bengals at 18.
                This is about what it would cost to move up high enough to gat one of the top three WR’s, it’s not a bunch of day three picks!


                2024 NFL Mock Draft: Significant trades abound, including the Rams moving up for QB Jayden Daniels
                https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pff.com%2Fnews%2Fdraft-2024-nfl-mock-draft-significant-trades-rams-jayden-daniels&data=05%7C02%7C%7C505c45a72e4e4bbf7ef208dc63a0b9bf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638494789181600781%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=n99MfPacqZs0RppKvCNejxbtBwTXKCDb9o%2BXoPkVLYo%3D&reserved=0
                The Minnesota Vikings trade up for J.J. McCarthy and the Los Angeles Rams move up for Jayden Daniels in this 2024 NFL mock draft.


                9. Buffalo Bills: WR Rome Odunze, Washington
                Mock Trade: Bills receive Pick No. 9; Bears receive Picks Nos. 28, 60 and 133 and a 2025 first-round pick

                The cost is way too much for this team!
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                • Mad Max
                  Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 6698
                  #83
                  Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

                  Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
                  This is about what it would cost to move up high enough to gat one of the top three WR’s, it’s not a bunch of day three picks!


                  2024 NFL Mock Draft: Significant trades abound, including the Rams moving up for QB Jayden Daniels
                  https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pff.com%2Fnews%2Fdraft-2024-nfl-mock-draft-significant-trades-rams-jayden-daniels&data=05%7C02%7C%7C505c45a72e4e4bbf7ef208dc63a0b9bf%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638494789181600781%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=n99MfPacqZs0RppKvCNejxbtBwTXKCDb9o%2BXoPkVLYo%3D&reserved=0
                  The Minnesota Vikings trade up for J.J. McCarthy and the Los Angeles Rams move up for Jayden Daniels in this 2024 NFL mock draft.


                  9. Buffalo Bills: WR Rome Odunze, Washington
                  Mock Trade: Bills receive Pick No. 9; Bears receive Picks Nos. 28, 60 and 133 and a 2025 first-round pick

                  The cost is way too much for this team!
                  That would be heinous misconduct on Beanes part.
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                  • sahlensguy
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 13466
                    #84
                    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

                    Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
                    That would be heinous misconduct on Beanes part.
                    I'd be lying if I said I wasn't even a little worried.
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                    • Mad Max
                      Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 6698
                      #85
                      Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

                      Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
                      I'd be lying if I said I wasn't even a little worried.
                      I don’t blame you. It might depend on whether or not Beanie is feeling the heat to get over the hump? I know in my bones that McDermott is on the hot seat…if Beane is as well then he might rip some whacky deal like this out of desperation.

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                      • kgun12
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 11315
                        #86
                        Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

                        Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
                        I'd be lying if I said I wasn't even a little worried.
                        Yeah, the thought of making this kind of trade would be almost criminal!
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                        • Mad Max
                          Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 6698
                          #87
                          Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

                          Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
                          Yeah, the thought of making this kind of trade would be almost criminal!
                          Many adjectives would work, criminal, asinine, idiotic, moronic, ludicrous, ridiculous, foolish, sophmoric, dare I say malevolent?!
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                          • kgun12
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 11315
                            #88
                            Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

                            Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
                            Many adjectives would work, criminal, asinine, idiotic, moronic, ludicrous, ridiculous, foolish, sophmoric, dare I say malevolent?!
                            Besides ruining the entire weekend!
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                            • Mad Max
                              Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 6698
                              #89
                              Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

                              Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
                              Besides ruining the entire weekend!
                              Indeed. I’m still holding out hope that we score a third round pick so that round is more entertaining for us.

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                              • kgun12
                                Registered User
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 11315
                                #90
                                Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

                                Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
                                Indeed. I’m still holding out hope that we score a third round pick so that round is more entertaining for us.
                                Me too!
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