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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    Agreed but with a qualifier. I’d want to stack the odds in my favor.

    70% of HOFers have come from rounds 1-3 those are the rounds I’d want to accumulate picks in.

    After that it’s greatly diminishing returns.

    We might need an upgrade in our scouting department.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    I don't see a team willing to drop back that much in the 1st round for a swap and a bunch of day 3 picks. It will cost more than that. Plus BTJ may not drop past the Bengals at 18.
    This is about what it would cost to move up high enough to gat one of the top three WR’s, it’s not a bunch of day three picks!


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    9. Buffalo Bills: WR Rome Odunze, Washington
    Mock Trade: Bills receive Pick No. 9; Bears receive Picks Nos. 28, 60 and 133 and a 2025 first-round pick

    The cost is way too much for this team!
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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    This is about what it would cost to move up high enough to gat one of the top three WR’s, it’s not a bunch of day three picks!


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    9. Buffalo Bills: WR Rome Odunze, Washington
    Mock Trade: Bills receive Pick No. 9; Bears receive Picks Nos. 28, 60 and 133 and a 2025 first-round pick

    The cost is way too much for this team!
    That would be heinous misconduct on Beanes part.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    That would be heinous misconduct on Beanes part.
    I'd be lying if I said I wasn't even a little worried.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    I'd be lying if I said I wasn't even a little worried.
    I don’t blame you. It might depend on whether or not Beanie is feeling the heat to get over the hump? I know in my bones that McDermott is on the hot seat…if Beane is as well then he might rip some whacky deal like this out of desperation.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    I'd be lying if I said I wasn't even a little worried.
    Yeah, the thought of making this kind of trade would be almost criminal!

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    Yeah, the thought of making this kind of trade would be almost criminal!
    Many adjectives would work, criminal, asinine, idiotic, moronic, ludicrous, ridiculous, foolish, sophmoric, dare I say malevolent?!

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    Many adjectives would work, criminal, asinine, idiotic, moronic, ludicrous, ridiculous, foolish, sophmoric, dare I say malevolent?!
    Besides ruining the entire weekend!

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    Besides ruining the entire weekend!
    Indeed. I’m still holding out hope that we score a third round pick so that round is more entertaining for us.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Max View Post
    Indeed. I’m still holding out hope that we score a third round pick so that round is more entertaining for us.
    Me too!

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    I'm thinking there might be for the 1st time in the Ants in the Pants era that we move down, assuming a player we're targeting does not drop to us at 28.

    I think NE will probably stand pat and pick a QB at 3 BUT if they grew some very big balls and traded with Minny for 11, 23 and a 2025 1st I could see them trying to move up from 34 to 28 to take Michael Penix if he's still there. That would net us an early 4th and a mid 6th in return to move down 6 spots. Might be worth it.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cody View Post
    I'm thinking there might be for the 1st time in the Ants in the Pants era that we move down, assuming a player we're targeting does not drop to us at 28.

    I think NE will probably stand pat and pick a QB at 3 BUT if they grew some very big balls and traded with Minny for 11, 23 and a 2025 1st I could see them trying to move up from 34 to 28 to take Michael Penix if he's still there. That would net us an early 4th and a mid 6th in return to move down 6 spots. Might be worth it.
    QB Drake Maye is who I expect the Patriots to draft we'll soon find out.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    QB Drake Maye is who I expect the Patriots to draft we'll soon find out.
    I agree that's the most likely outcome. The owner wants a QB at 3. Think the guy operating as GM there without a contract is going to go against the owner? That would take enormous stones. I'm just thinking if they get on the clock and Minnesota offers them the bag they might blink and bite.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cody View Post
    I agree that's the most likely outcome. The owner wants a QB at 3. Think the guy operating as GM there without a contract is going to go against the owner? That would take enormous stones. I'm just thinking if they get on the clock and Minnesota offers them the bag they might blink and bite.
    One thing is a near certainty. That is that there will be much buffoonery in chasing after these bum QBs. I’ll be finger tenting like Mr. Smithers as I bask in my schadenfreude.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Offensive line picks will be a plenty in round 1.

    Could we go in that direction if the board dictates?

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Offensive line picks will be a plenty in round 1.

    Could we go in that direction if the board dictates?
    "Let the draft come to them"

    Don't force it. Don't trade up.

    Draft capitol is house money for Beane. He shouldn't be so nonchalant with it.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    This is about what it would cost to move up high enough to gat one of the top three WRís, itís not a bunch of day three picks!


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    9. Buffalo Bills: WR Rome Odunze, Washington
    Mock Trade: Bills receive Pick No. 9; Bears receive Picks Nos. 28, 60 and 133 and a 2025 first-round pick

    The cost is way too much for this team!
    Unless a player like that comes in and fuels the Bills to a Super Bowl win in 2024!!!!

    The cost of moving up (or the "savings" of moving back) are irrelevant if the player you moved up for is a grand slam, or, conversely the player you moved back for (and the ones you ight have picked up in the trade) suck.

    I am not advocating for moving up OR moving back. It's silly to have preconceived notions of what is best BEFORE the picking actually starts.

    A GOOD GM (which Beane is) will be prepared for all contingencies, have a well thought our draft board (including trying to predict what other team's needs are and who they may be targeting) and ready to make a move (or stay put) depending on how the draft unfolds and doing what is best for the TEAM.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Well we certainly got our answer last night.

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    Well we certainly got our answer last night.
    Yep. Exactly what I said....A GOOD GM (which Beane is) will be prepared for all contingencies, have a well thought our draft board (including trying to predict what other team's needs are and who they may be targeting) and ready to make a move (or stay put) depending on how the draft unfolds and doing what is best for the TEAM.

    Trading up or down (or staying pat) in and of itself is worthless and irrelevant.

    Who they ACTUALLY PICK is all that matters.

    The Bills moving back will be worthless IF they do not get some good players. Same for moving up.

    It sure looks like Beane's guy was not there at #28 (or it was too expensive or not possible to move up to get him).

    I suspect that they had their eye on Brain Thomas, and once Jax held #23, it made it difficult to move ahead of them (and probably too expensive).

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    Re: Move Up .... Move Down or Stand Pat

    We moved down consistently when everybody thought the opposite would be the case ....... who is this Buffalo Bills GM disguising himself as Brandon Beane?

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