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    Re: First 2 picks...

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    No, he doesn’t have a similar grade.

    He definitely doesn’t like to block, but he’s a dynamic WR with great athleticism who should be there at 28. Also runs strong routes, had strong hands and can both play deep down the field and underneath.
    6.20 vs 6.35 grades per NFL.com.

    I would'nt say Mitchell runs strong routes. He can be sloppy and his game strength is underwhelming.

    I think he'll be a true RedZone threat. He knows how to get seperation. And he has shown up in big moments, like Gabe. But he'll disappear too, like Gabe.

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    Re: First 2 picks...

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    Adonai Mitchell, while a different receiver, has a similar grade that Gabe Davis had, who was drafted in the 4th round, with similar weaknesses: takes plays/games off, limited yac, doesn't care to block etc. I see the upside but the value isn't there with him at 28, for me. Boom/bust player.
    Davis and Mitchell are 2 very different players. Davis is a strong blocker, has great size but not great speed and drops the ball a lot. Mitchell is fast as well as quick but he's still a taller receiver and he has sure hands. No he's not much of a blocker but neither was Diggs. I posted a video earlier that showed every play he was involved in last season. Yes please.

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    I would like B, Dejean and Legette, but the more mocks I do Cooper is gone closer to 20 and I keep seeing DT Murphy at the top of the list.
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    Re: First 2 picks...

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    I would like B, Dejean and Legette.
    This is good value.
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    Davis and Mitchell are 2 very different players. Davis is a strong blocker, has great size but not great speed and drops the ball a lot. Mitchell is fast as well as quick but he's still a taller receiver and he has sure hands. No he's not much of a blocker but neither was Diggs. I posted a video earlier that showed every play he was involved in last season. Yes please.
    Mitchell and Davis are different receivers but Mitchell is graded simialarly and has similar production. Red zone threat. Produces in big moments. But is a soft route runner and admitts to not running at 100% . Takes plays off. Poor game strength. I thought he caught with his body? Not so much with his hands. Davis was a 4th round pick. The 1st round is too high for Mitchell.

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    Re: First 2 picks...

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I would like B, Dejean and Legette, but the more mocks I do Cooper is gone closer to 20 and I keep seeing DT Murphy at the top of the list.
    Would love both.

    To get Legette we may need to move up in the 2nd if he's still available.

    Much cheaper than moving up in the 1st.
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    Would love both.

    To get Legette we may need to move up in the 2nd if he's still available.

    Much cheaper than moving up in the 1st.
    Legette is a mismatch type of player that we rearely have. He'd be worth trading up for in the 2nd. Depends if we draft a wr in the 1st though.

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    Legette is a mismatch type of player that we rearely have. He'd be worth trading up for in the 2nd. Depends if we draft a wr in the 1st though.
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    Re: First 2 picks...

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    It's a big reason I don't want a wr in the 1st. For one, the value isn't there at 28. For two, a trade up requires assets we can't afford. And for three, it limits taking the many wr later who do have good value further down.

    I would like Legette in the 2nd and maybe trade up in the 3rd for Johnny Wilson.

    Use 28 on a DB, DL or Center.

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    Re: First 2 picks...

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    Mitchell and Davis are different receivers but Mitchell is graded simialarly and has similar production. Red zone threat. Produces in big moments. But is a soft route runner and admitts to not running at 100% . Takes plays off. Poor game strength. I thought he caught with his body? Not so much with his hands. Davis was a 4th round pick. The 1st round is too high for Mitchell.
    Davis ran a 4.54 40. Those guys can slip to the 4th. The 4.34 guy? Not so much. if a player didn't have any warts he'd be top 10.

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    Re: First 2 picks...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cody View Post
    Davis ran a 4.54 40. Those guys can slip to the 4th. The 4.34 guy? Not so much. if a player didn't have any warts he'd be top 10.
    80% of a 4.34 is 4.54. Mitchell doesn't go 100%. Said so himself.

    He's been comped to CeeDee Lamb. I'd say that's pretty fair, minus game day strength and game day speed. His 3.0 YAC don't lie.

    Drafting this guy, who's a Gabe Davis boom or bust type, will screw up our draft imo. It will stop Beane from trading up in the 2nd for a guy like Legette.
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    Re: First 2 picks...

    Quote Originally Posted by DraftBoy View Post
    No, he doesn’t have a similar grade.
    He definitely doesn’t like to block, but he’s a dynamic WR with great athleticism who should be there at 28. Also runs strong routes, had strong hands and can both play deep down the field and underneath.
    I am nervous about the alleged effort issues. But he does check many other boxes.

    We're replacing two dawgs at WR - Diggs and Davis were all in on every play and every block. The Bills are going to expect that out of anyone they draft. I'm going to be a little surprised if his name gets called.
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    Re: First 2 picks...

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    80% of a 4.34 is 4.54. Mitchell doesn't go 100%. Said so himself.

    He's been comped to CeeDee Lamb. I'd say that's pretty fair, minus game day strength and game day speed. His 3.0 YAC don't lie.

    Drafting this guy, who's a Gabe Davis boom or bust type, will screw up our draft imo. It will stop Beane from trading up in the 2nd for a guy like Legette.
    Legette doesn't have the quickness Mitchell has. He's actually more like Davis, a long strider that takes a while to get going. And he's far from polished. Mitchell will be the better pro. Not to say Mitchell doesn't have work to do. But the lazy label is BS. That's about not going all out on plays he's not featured on which is what he's being coached to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Cody View Post
    Legette doesn't have the quickness Mitchell has. He's actually more like Davis, a long strider that takes a while to get going. And he's far from polished. Mitchell will be the better pro. Not to say Mitchell doesn't have work to do. But the lazy label is BS. That's about not going all out on plays he's not featured on which is what he's being coached to do.
    3.0 YAC don't lie. Doesn't battle.

    Mitchell will be a nice player to have in the RedZone. He's going to separate. Fine upside. Just not with the 28th pick. He's no Diggs replacement who played with a mean streak.

    Lazy is relative though.

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    Put me down as Worthy / Cole. And namechange me to MackleDonkey if we draft Ladd.
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    Re: First 2 picks...

    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    6.20 vs 6.35 grades per NFL.com.

    I would'nt say Mitchell runs strong routes. He can be sloppy and his game strength is underwhelming.

    I think he'll be a true RedZone threat. He knows how to get seperation. And he has shown up in big moments, like Gabe. But he'll disappear too, like Gabe.
    I was referring more to Mitchell’s first round grade and Davis’s fourth round grade.
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    Re: First 2 picks...

    Quote Originally Posted by TacklingDummy View Post
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    R1 Brian Thomas WR LSU if not then Xavier Worthy WR Texas

    R2: Marshawn Kneeland EDGE Western Michigan or maybe Cole Bishop S Utah, or Kamren Kinchen S Miami or Michael Hall DT Ohio State.

    I'll go with Bishop. Striking gold from Utah again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by POTLAND PSILBYLO View Post
    Put me down as Worthy / Cole. And namechange me to MackleDonkey if we draft Ladd.
    I got them exactly right at 28 and 60

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    Re: First 2 picks...

    Josh Allen wanted Keon Coleman.

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