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Post 175. He caught second most TDs in 2023 while not being targeted. Wait and see how he does in Jacksonville. You may eat those words by this time next season. Let's wait and see. The Bills stopped targeting him.
Post 175. He caught second most TDs in 2023 while not being targeted. Wait and see how he does in Jacksonville. You may eat those words by this time next season. Let's wait and see. The Bills stopped targeting him.
when your catch rate is as low as his, it's easy to see why.
hell, look at the end of the eagle game when he had a chance to win it. not a drop i know. but likely a mental error on his part
When Beane got here, he was peddling the big WR line. WRs who were endzone targets, who could block for Shady McCoy
Thus, Andre Holmes;
Thus, not only signing Kelvin Benjamin, but trading for him.
The result...
2018,
dead last in passing;
31st in scoring;
a whopping 267 points scored.
It couldn't have failed any more spectacular. And it didn't get any better until he brought in more speed with Beasely and John Brown. He HAD to. Because he couldn't continue with his plan A. And it didn't take off until he traded for Diggs.
So when I hear the talk of getting bigger...I'm pretty leery...and justifiably so.
comparing 2018 to now is a false equivalency
Josh wasn't even supposed to start. completely different scenario.
Uh, you forget a little thing called Josh and his maturity after 2018. Naturally we are both speculating at this point.
Well another thing is Joe Brady. We already hear that Joe wants to put more of his offense into the playbook.
In Carolina, Brady was running Rhule's offense according to most accounts. So people have been looking into Brady's LSU offense and his roots with Peyton. You kind of see what kind of WRs Brady had and maybe he prefers. Seems like what we are going. I'd imagine the change of direction has Josh's approval.
When Benjamin came to the Bills, he was old and at the end of his career. I'm not going to say that is a measuring stick for WRs who work with Allen. Also, if you truly believe Allen is one of the top QBs in this game, maybe one of the all time great like we seem to believe, then he should be able to work with all kinds of WRs and use their strength. It might be a good challenge to him to improve his game that way. The bottom line is someone said earlier, what the Bills had - mainly #1 and #2 of Diggs and Davis -- is not working in terms of getting over the hump. I don't get people upset about losing Diggs (including media folks) because he is no longer a so-called "separator". Teams were playing man against us in recent years and had great success against Allen whereas just a couple of years ago, it was death sentence for those defenses. Time for a change and try a different direction.
Jerry Rice!!!! I swear, if I had a dollar every time Jerry Rice is brought up whenever a WR with a poor 40 tie is mentioned...I'd own 25% of the Bills.
But anyway...on the "good" comp..Im surprised Anquan Bolidn isn't brought up;\
-about the same size;
-Boldin actually ran a slower 40 time;
-same school;
-same number
That should make you happy. If he has Boldin's career, everyone would be happy.
On the bad side, a guy who's NFL.com profile I posted earlier.
N'keal Harry, who's on his 3rd team.
Unfortunately, there are many more Harry's than there are Boldin's, or Rice's.
I agree 100% of everything you have said, but lets remember that Colemans biggest attribute is his hands, all these other WR you have compared him to were similar except there hands, they hand good hands but Coleman has hands we haven't seen yet, gonna be interesting to see what he can bring to the table.
When Beane got here, he was peddling the big WR line. WRs who were endzone targets, who could block for Shady McCoy
Thus, Andre Holmes;
Thus, not only signing Kelvin Benjamin, but trading for him.
The result...
2018,
dead last in passing;
31st in scoring;
a whopping 267 points scored.
It couldn't have failed any more spectacular. And it didn't get any better until he brought in more speed with Beasely and John Brown. He HAD to. Because he couldn't continue with his plan A. And it didn't take off until he traded for Diggs.
So when I hear the talk of getting bigger...I'm pretty leery...and justifiably so.
thats really not the reality in 2018, yes Bean traded for Kelvin but lets remember that in 2018 there were 4 o-lineman that wasn't on the roster in 2019.. in fact the only player to start in 2019 besides Allen was Dawkins so that tells everything you need to no.
I also want to point out the distinction between #1 receiver and X receiver. To me #1 receiver means the best receiver on a team whereas X receiver is more technical in terms of what they are asked to do, like working on boundary for the most part, more responsible for blocking etc. Often #1 = X receiver on a team. You can argue for the Bills, #1 receiver was Diggs whereas Davis was the X receiver. And you see Davis often out snapped Diggs because Diggs is more suited for blocking etc.
In that sense, I agree with quite a lot of people in the media that Coleman is a replacement for Davis, likely a better version. Can he be a #1 on this Bills team? We don't know. And I hope he's not right now because it means this guy is the best WR on the Bills team without even playing one single down in NFL. Now who is the #1 receiver on this Bills team? By default, it is Shakir because Diggs is gone and other guys have not played a down for the Bills. That's where the uncertainty comes in. Is Shakir better than Diggs? Career wise, definitely a NO. In the latest sample, like last season, you see Diggs started hot but you can say Shakir out performed him late in the season, including the playoffs. Projecting forward for 2024 season, the Bills obviously decided Diggs is not going to be that much better than Shakir or whoever they signed and drafted.
Bottom line is if you expect Coleman to produce more than Davis from the X receiver role, you may feel better about this pick.
I also want to point out the distinction between #1 receiver and X receiver. To me #1 receiver means the best receiver on a team whereas X receiver is more technical in terms of what they are asked to do, like working on boundary for the most part, more responsible for blocking etc. Often #1 = X receiver on a team. You can argue for the Bills, #1 receiver was Diggs whereas Davis was the X receiver. And you see Davis often out snapped Diggs because Diggs is more suited for blocking etc.
In that sense, I agree with quite a lot of people in the media that Coleman is a replacement for Davis, likely a better version. Can he be a #1 on this Bills team? We don't know. And I hope he's not right now because it means this guy is the best WR on the Bills team without even playing one single down in NFL. Now who is the #1 receiver on this Bills team? By default, it is Shakir because Diggs is gone and other guys have not played a down for the Bills. That's where the uncertainty comes in. Is Shakir better than Diggs? Career wise, definitely a NO. In the latest sample, like last season, you see Diggs started hot but you can say Shakir out performed him late in the season, including the playoffs. Projecting forward for 2024 season, the Bills obviously decided Diggs is not going to be that much better than Shakir or whoever they signed and drafted.
Bottom line is if you expect Coleman to produce more than Davis from the X receiver role, you may feel better about this pick.
I think a lot of people will be surprised by Samuel's production
I think a lot of people will be surprised by Samuel's production
I had an interesting conversation with a couple of my friends recently on Samuel. First look back on the 2019 season. Allen had a meh rookie season. We all saw Benjamin couldn't run any more so he's gone. Zay Jones would be traded mid season as well. Beane brought in John Brown who he courted before, and Beasley. So the top WRs were Brown, Beasley, Robert Foster, Isaiah McKenzie. Brown, Beasley, Foster all had (near) their career highs that year. That's when I became a believer of Allen. But before Brown and Beasley were brought in, who did we have in WRs?
Now in 2024, after Diggs trade, you can ask the same question - who do we have? One of my friends compared Samuel to Brown signing in 2019. I don't like Samuel's injury history, thus not a reliable target in my mind, but if he stays healthy, it would not shock me he gets his career high. We need some luck, just like we had with John Brown, getting a healthy year from Samuel.
Unlike 2019, we do have Shakir, our home grown talent. If he gets Beasley's production in 2019 this year, I'd actually be disappointed. Samuel, like Brown and Beasley, is a veteran in NFL and known ceiling. Receivers with untapped talent/ceiling are generally not available in the FA market. At this point I don't see Shakir goes the way of Zay Jones to be traded away mid-season.
Again, I posted a vid of each of his catches and targets in 2023 (post 137). Im...not seeing the separation, except in a blown coverage/missing assignment situation.
A training video doesn't change that. I hope he gets better. Reaching out to Andre Reed was a good first step. Because gaining separation and more importantly, making the contested catch, won't be easier in the NFL.
I think you're under-estimating how much he did get separation. It's more than a blown coverage or two.
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