Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

[Woodman]

Re: Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

If we wanted Coleman, that wasn't happening.

They (Pats) were used as leverage.

We moved up to pick #141 from #200 .... 59 spots.

They wanted their guy .... we just made em (Panthers) pay for it.

I wonder what the Pats offered beside the #34 pick .... not enough to get us off Coleman obviously.

[acehole]

Re: Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

If Carolina wouldn't have traded up with the us, then we could have traded with New England I guess. Possibly seeing the Patriots taking Legette.

I don't agree with the assumption that the Pats feel like we used them, though.

To do that we would have had confidential knowledge of the Patriots desires of who they wanted to draft, that Carolina did not have.

That can't be the case.

It was barzzini...

[Woodman]

Re: Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

It was barzzini...

All along.

[YardRat]

Re: Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

They (Pats) were used as leverage.

We moved up to pick #141 from #200 .... 59 spots.

They wanted their guy .... we just made em (Panthers) pay for it.

I wonder what the Pats offered beside the #34 pick .... not enough to get us off Coleman obviously.

It isn't logical. If Carolina knew Buffalo wanted Coleman, they also knew Buffalo wasn't going to trade that far back and lose him to New England or another team. If Buffalo knew Carolina wanted Legette, why would they trade with a division team that coveted a WR, most likely Coleman? Carolina was going to get their guy regardless.

[sahlensguy]

Re: Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

It isn't logical. If Carolina knew Buffalo wanted Coleman, they also knew Buffalo wasn't going to trade that far back and lose him to New England or another team. If Buffalo knew Carolina wanted Legette, why would they trade with a division team that coveted a WR, most likely Coleman? Carolina was going to get their guy regardless.

You're assuming Carolina knew we only wanted Coleman.

[Goobylal]

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Beane is tight with Morgan. He probably was told by Morgan that they wanted Legette and not Coleman and Beane told him he wanted Coleman. The Cheats come calling saying they want one of the two, Beane tells Morgan they want one of the 2 so Morgan moves up one to ensure they get Legette. The Bills win because they get their WR and a higher pick and the Cheats don't get either WR.

[Woodman]

Re: Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

You're assuming Carolina knew we only wanted Coleman.

Carolina guaranteed their guy by trading with us and that was the only way to do it.

[YardRat]

Re: Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

You're assuming Carolina knew we only wanted Coleman.

I'm not assuming, it's the implication in the video that I am disagreeing with. The trade makes more sense if they didn't have a 'gentlemen's agreement' and didn't know who we wanted to pick.

[YardRat]

Re: Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

Beane is tight with Morgan. He probably was told by Morgan that they wanted Legette and not Coleman and Beane told him he wanted Coleman. The Cheats come calling saying they want one of the two, Beane tells Morgan they want one of the 2 so Morgan moves up one to ensure they get Legette. The Bills win because they get their WR and a higher pick and the Cheats don't get either WR.

If Buffalo traded with New England the Bills would have been the team shut out from the two receivers. NE takes one at 32, Carolina at 33, and Buffalo is sitting there at the Patriot's former 34 with both guys gone.

[YardRat]

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On a side note, it's going to be ironic if down the road Legette becomes the real stud of the class and the trade with Carolina ends up being worse than the one with KC.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

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If Buffalo traded with New England the Bills would have been the team shut out from the two receivers. NE takes one at 32, Carolina at 33, and Buffalo is sitting there at the Patriot's former 34 with both guys gone.

Buffalo is at the pole position whereas NE is at the vulnerable position - assuming (quite certain by all accounts) that they valued Legette and Coleman being the highest on their board, even borderline the remaining 1st rounders. I remember Beane explained last year in trade (up 2 slots) with the Jags to pick Kincaid, he had to give out info, like the pick is on offense or defense, even further down to O-line or other position etc. without actually giving out the name. Bottomline is the pole position team has to be comfortable that their prize is NOT threatened unless, of course, overwhelmed with the offer in which I don't believe is the case. We can probably assume that Beane felt threatened from NE's offer that they will pick one of Legette and Coleman. With Carolina in between, he had to make sure Caroline was not going to take Coleman. Like Gooblal said above, he is tight with Morgan. Morgan might have already checked with Beane but he should have no idea the conversation between the Bills and the Pats. The "gentleman's agreement" I suppose is referring to Beane shared that info to Morgan that the Pats were willing to pay to move up for one of Legette/Coleman. If Morgan was keying on Legette, then he felt threatened that his guy could go to the Pats right in front of him. Thus he had to pay up to the Bills to get to the pole position.

If the Bills want Legette, none of this happens.

If the Bills were taking open bids from the Pats and the Panthers, no one gives a damn about what comes about. But if you gather as much info as possible from me, probably already decided you don't want to do business with me based on that info, but turned around to use that info to benefit from a 3rd party, then you are "playing me." So Beane can forget about doing future trades with the Pats for awhile.

[Bill Cody]

Re: Some inside details of the 32nd pick trade

If we wanted Coleman, that wasn't happening.

We wouldn't have told Carolina who we were drafting. No reason to.

[notacon]

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Everyone knew NE wanted a receiver. Carolina wanted to make sure NE didn't leap frog them and grab Leggette. Buffalo had to know Carolina was trying to jump NE. Apparently we either liked Coleman as well as or better than Leggette. Screwing NE was just a side benefit for us.

As I wrote in another thread....it's rather obvious that once Brian Thomas went off the board, Keon Coleman was THE player they had their sites on and wanted.

A knowledgeable and skillful GM like Beane has already had his team of scouts and analysts not only develop their own draft board, but draft boards of other teams as well. It's well known that teams conduct their own mock drafts to go through all the possibilities of what other teams will do.

From my other post...

Beane knew that KC was not going to pick Coleman and did not care if they made Worthy (or any other WR on the board at that point) their pick. Beane also knew that the Cowboys, Ravens and 49ers were not going after Coleman. Turns out that he was ready to use #32 for Coleman, but then another gift landed in his lap with Carolina moving up. They obviously had their guy, Legette, in their sites and did not want any other team trading with the Bills to get him.

[Goobylal]

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If Buffalo traded with New England the Bills would have been the team shut out from the two receivers. NE takes one at 32, Carolina at 33, and Buffalo is sitting there at the Patriot's former 34 with both guys gone.

Yup. That's why they didn't trade down with the Cheats and instead used their offer/interest to get Morgan to trade up. Maybe Beane didn't tell Morgan he wanted Coleman and/or told him the Cheats wanted Legette only, which would have been smart. IDK, but he got his WR and a higher pick in the 5th round.

[acehole]

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On a side note, it's going to be ironic if down the road Legette becomes the real stud of the class and the trade with Carolina ends up being worse than the one with KC.

I actually think Leggete may have a better start.

Once K Colmen and Josh Mesh its over.

I do think that will take time.