Ruben Paycut? Why he's the best

[juice]

I hope this organization doesn't play itself and ask Brown to take a cut in pay. Mr. consistency will be insulted and will take that trip North to NE. He is a pro bowl lineman, our most experienced, our best run blocker, and since he will make that trip to Hawaii he must be the best pass blocker (who can tell in that mess). Ruben has said he wants to stay but dont take that as a willingness not to get paid what he's owed on his contract. I see this staff trying to push the money issue and the Bills losing the best lineman in team history. Say goodbye to the bad guy. ACC UNC Knocks #1 UCONN

[HenryRules]

You've only followed the Bills since about '93 right?

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by HenryRules
You've only followed the Bills since about '93 right?

Must be - He forgets the likes of Billy Shaw, Joe D., Kent Hull and a number of others. I like Ruben, and I want him to stay, but he's not even the best O lineman on this team anymore.

[juice]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
Must be - He forgets the likes of Billy Shaw, Joe D., Kent Hull and a number of others. I like Ruben, and I want him to stay, but he's not even the best O lineman on this team anymore.

Who is the best on the team if not Brown?

[35Pete]

RB is NOT the best lineman we have ever had. Kent Hull? Will Wolford? House Ballard? Pleeeeeeaaaaassssseeeee!!!!!!!

[juice]

Originally posted by HenryRules
You've only followed the Bills since about '93 right?

I'm old school how about you, and Who is an eight time Pro Bowler. Show the man respect and pay him what we owe. Wilson has a rep. for being Cheap, I dont think he's a CHEAT. ACC ANOTHER #1 GONE

[Tatonka]

i really dont like any of your posts very much.

[The_Philster]

Pro Bowl is a popularity contest for the most part...he continues to get in on name recognition....or do you really think that Tasker should have gotten in the Pro Bowl for special teams when he hardly played special teams at all that year?

[juice]

Originally posted by Tatonka
i really dont like any of your posts very much.

Glad to Know I have changed your day. You opinion is appreciated but not necessary. Besides who cares what you like? But seriously he is the best and the Eight pro bowls in a row show it. Reguardless of Ruben haters what's the problem with the Pro Bowler?

[juice]

Originally posted by Tatonka
i really dont like any of your posts very much.

A Big East Fan, let me guess Huskies?

[HenryRules]

Originally posted by juice


I'm old school how about you, and Who is an eight time Pro Bowler. Show the man respect and pay him what we owe. Wilson has a rep. for being Cheap, I dont think he's a CHEAT. ACC ANOTHER #1 GONE

The 5 or 6 names that have already been given are a good list to me.

[juice]

Originally posted by The_Philster
Pro Bowl is a popularity contest for the most part...he continues to get in on name recognition....or do you really think that Tasker should have gotten in the Pro Bowl for special teams when he hardly played special teams at all that year?

It's a popularity contest with the players judging, that's why it is still the measure of excellence in the league not like that spectacle in the NBA. Tasker was respected around the league for his effort on "D" and special teams, thats just the way the players chose to reward his play since he obviously wasn't a Pro Bowler at his position. ACC

[Dozerdog]

Ruben won't be a HoF lineman. Buffalo has 2 already- Billy Shaw and Joe D. Kent Hull will also make it in.

I'd stick Shaw, Joe D, Reggie McKenzie, Hull, and Wolford ahead of Brown.

[juice]

Originally posted by Tatonka
i really dont like any of your posts very much.

VT and Vick, I'm sorry, I forgot.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by juice
Tasker was respected around the league for his effort on "D" and special teams, thats just the way the players chose to reward his play since he obviously wasn't a Pro Bowler at his position. ACC

wow.. that is funny.. because tasker played "O".. not "D".. he was a WR.. and a Gunner..

acc, word dog, yo yo, minizel.

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by juice
Glad to Know I have changed your day. You opinion is appreciated but not necessary. Besides who cares what you like? But seriously he is the best and the Eight pro bowls in a row show it. Reguardless of Ruben haters what's the problem with the Pro Bowler?

No one hates Ruben. Why do so many posts wind up like this?

He has been a very good player for us, and a great member of the community. I, and others like me that go back a little further, may not be willing to annoint him our best O lineman ever - but that's our opinion, and it doesn't mean we hate Ruben.

Why can't we have discussions on this board without all the "I hate Drew" and "you hate Ruben" and "she hates TD" mentality?

[The_Philster]

Originally posted by juice
It's a popularity contest with the players judging, that's why it is still the measure of excellence in the league not like that spectacle in the NBA.

Players a lot of the times vote for buddies on other squads. The GMs, coaches, and writers should be the ones behind who goes in...noone else.

Originally posted by juice Tasker was respected around the league for his effort on "D" and special teams, thats just the way the players chose to reward his play since he obviously wasn't a Pro Bowler at his position. ACC

He was a Pro Bowler at ST..just not that year...and when did Tasker ever play on "D?"

[juice]

Originally posted by Dozerdog
Ruben won't be a HoF lineman. Buffalo has 2 already- Billy Shaw and Joe D. Kent Hull will also make it in.

I'd stick Shaw, Joe D, Reggie McKenzie, Hull, and Wolford ahead of Brown.

You dont think he's a HOF lineman? How many Pro Bowls gets you in 10? That's respect around the league. Ruben did alot to help Thurman and Kelly to get to those bowls. I think he'll get in, he's an Ironman to play at that level for that long.

[Ebenezer]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
No one hates Ruben. Why do so many posts wind up like this?

He has been a very good player for us, and a great member of the community. I, and others like me that go back a little further, may not be willing to annoint him our best O lineman ever - but that's our opinion, and it doesn't mean we hate Ruben.

Why can't we have discussions on this board without all the "I hate Drew" and "you hate Ruben" and "she hates TD" mentality?

well said.

In the eyes of people outside of Buffalo Ruben is an excellent guard...people look at the 8 time probowler and are swayed. Against his peers of today he is one of the best. If cut loose he would command a very sizable contract and somebody would pay it.

[juice]

Originally posted by The_Philster
Players a lot of the times vote for buddies on other squads. The GMs, coaches, and writers should be the ones behind who goes in...noone else.

He was a Pro Bowler at ST..just not that year...and when did Tasker ever play on "D?"

I Guess he was a ST Lifer? No Player input would exclude the most crucial Judge? What do writers Know to have a vote on anything?