The whining by you guys makes me sick

[helmetguy]

Considering that we started out with a #2 (something like #54 overall) to move up to #22 overall, it isn't as bad as it sounds. I mean, by taking Losman at #22 (1st round this year), its more of a known quantity than waiting until next year to find whomever at anywhere from #1 to #32.

[Halbert]

Re: The whining by you guys makes me sick

Originally posted by Tatonka
btw, if you have never had wys wing sauce.. the sweet and tangy might be the best sauce i have ever had in my entire life.

That stuff is really good, I admit. But I'm here in Rochester with easy access to the original that Wys based that sauce on - Country Sweet. And as good as Wys sauce is, the original is better.

When I have my choice of Wys' sauces I prefer the Hot. I just love the mix of flavors and it's still quite hot at that level. The Wys Guys are a little too hot for me to enjoy, but the Hot ones are like crack. I just can't stop eating the damn things.

[Halbert]

And I like the draft today, of course depending on if TD is correct about Losman and Anderson. Evans looks like a sure starter.

[lordofgun]

Thanks T. A lot of people need to read that.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by billsfanone
That was a long post Tatonka. Is wys corrupting you?

nah.. but it was great stuff.. me and wys argued all day.. lol.. but in a friendly way.

Originally posted by Mr. Cynical


Do I know that Losman won't be that franchise QB? Of course not. But remember, this board is about debating and is always going to have opnions...none of which are 100% right or wrong.

I'm simply expressing mine that TD blew it with Losman. Quite frankly I think if he had more talent/balls/etc. he should have been able to get Ben if he was so willing to trade our #1 next year. Of course I don't know what went on behind the scenes, but if he simply could not get Ben then I would have saved our #1 and skipped Losman.

P.S. You got me jonesing for wys wings now.

man.. losman has every tool he needs to be just as good if not better than any other qb in this draft. period.

TD has never drafted a guy that was questionable as far as attitude.. in fact, he said specifically that he liked his attitude. he wouldnt have made it out of the first.. they really wanted evans.. and the bears stated taht he was top on their board.. and surely tampa would have taken him instead of clayton at 15.. we got the guys they wanted.. it was there plan all along to move back up in the 1st and get evans.. as stated by td himself.

Originally posted by ShadowHawk7

Wow, all I can say, is amazing post. Prolly the best one all month. Hopefully, this will end all the crying and gnashing of teeth here.

it wont.. people are ready to condem these kids before they have done a single thing for us.. it really is absolutely absured. all this ridiculous talke of draft position and "value"..

i love it when people are like - aw.. we could have gotten him later.. you have no idea.. when we took evans.. was anyone aware that 7 wrs would go in the first.. without mike williams in this draft? hell no.. evans would have been gone in the next 2 picks.. the guy has the skill to be the next harrison.. it would sure suck to have that and a guy like reed (ward) on our team.. boo.

lol.. and i wasnt even pro wr and qb early...

and what people are failing to recognize is that there is still a second day to the draft.. we can add a guy like steponovich and karney and peters and fill our all our needs..

people talk about filling needs.. what the **** did we do today? every pick we took helped this team.

the know it alls around here are unbelievable.. i can tell that i am gonna get too pissed about this ****, and have to just chill on visiting the board for a while, or else i am gonna get too irritated and blow up on someone for just expressing there opinion, which i shouldnt do and isnt necessary.. i just know that this was not the way that i saw the draft going today..AT ALL.. but i can still find a positive too it.. but many of the people here that were crying for a franchise qb just got one, and still cry.. people were talking about adding speed to the offense.. we did.. one of the best speed receivers in the draft.. still pissing and moaning though.. and acting like we need a ton of help on the oline, like we dont have any more picks to add a guy or two.. or even use june 1st cuts..

i just cant stand all the negativity..

[BidsJr]

I remember living in Atlanta when Favre was drafted and the fans down there were like Brett who?

Apparently the Falcons thought the same when they shipped a HoF'er away.

You never know how these things will pan out.

Evans has speed that cannot be taught.

Losman has all the physical tools. (Come on what are the odds of having 2 Californian physically gifted QB's on the same team who were busts?)

OK don't answer that, but Losman is not the "laid back surfer" that RJ was. This guy has attitude, and that's probably one of the main things that RJ needed to be a good QB

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Halbert
That stuff is really good, I admit. But I'm here in Rochester with easy access to the original that Wys based that sauce on - Country Sweet. And as good as Wys sauce is, the original is better.

When I have my choice of Wys' sauces I prefer the Hot. I just love the mix of flavors and it's still quite hot at that level. The Wys Guys are a little too hot for me to enjoy, but the Hot ones are like crack. I just can't stop eating the damn things.

he left a bottle of all 7 of his sauces.. he didnt need to do that.. but it was such a nice gesture.. all of it was good. but the wys sauce.. his hottest.. made me sweat my ass off.. rofl.. literally.

Originally posted by lordofgun
Thanks T. A lot of people need to read that.

thanks mr. trump. so i dont get fired today?

[Halbert]

Originally posted by Tatonka
nah.. but it was great stuff.. me and wys argued all day.. lol.. but in a friendly way.

That's what you do when you hang out with Mark, talk about football opinions, usually diametrically opposed ones. It's fun.

[DraftBoy]

I love all of our picks for three reasons:
1. They all addressed needs
2. They all in my mind should have big roles in the future of this team
3. I personally had each one rated higher than some of players that went before them: Evans over Reggie, Losman over Eli, Anderson over Washington

[The_Philster]

Nice thread, Tatonka.
I'm not ecstatic about the Evans pick at 13 and as far as Losman, I hope the negatives on him are far outweighed by the positives. Really can't say much about Anderson as yet
But it's not like I'm ready to throw in the towel on the season...diehard fans like me can't stomach doing that. I'll be very interested to see what the players do at mini camp next Saturday.

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by Tatonka
man.. losman has every tool he needs to be just as good if not better than any other qb in this draft. period.

If he was that good or better than any other qb why didn't anyone take him before 22? I'm not saying I think he sucks, but to say he is better than the big 3 just doesn't make sense. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm going to put my trust behind the majority of people who rate drafts for a living. He is not better than the big 3 according to them.

Originally posted by Tatonka
i just cant stand all the negativity..

Fair enough but remember this is still fresh news. You can't expect everyone say "Gee what a great draft". You and some others feel it was a great draft. Others like myself think it fell short. There's nothing wrong with opposing viewpoints.

[Demon]

Originally posted by DraftBoy
3. I personally had each one rated higher than some of players that went before them: Evans over Reggie, Losman over Eli, Anderson over Washington

Losman over Eli??? I agree with the other two... but how in the world can someone say LOSMAN is better then ELI MANNING??!??! I just don't understand that part.

[juice]

Originally posted by BidsJr
I remember living in Atlanta when Favre was drafted and the fans down there were like Brett who?

Apparently the Falcons thought the same when they shipped a HoF'er away.

You never know how these things will pan out.

Evans has speed that cannot be taught.

Losman has all the physical tools. (Come on what are the odds of having 2 Californian physically gifted QB's on the same team who were busts?)

OK don't answer that, but Losman is not the "laid back surfer" that RJ was. This guy has attitude, and that's probably one of the main things that RJ needed to be a good QB

Along with speed you also can't teach size which is what Evans is lacking... He makes up for the lack of size with speed but the issue in many peoples mind is whether he at 5'11 can be the future Moulds replacement?

Another question is if he can stay healthy.. I beleive he has had 2 Knee injuries in his carreer, looks to have recovered but a question still remains. His overall physical strength has alot to do with the injury issue and how well he will rehab from those injuries.

His size is the only issue as far as I have seen.. If he's running Sub-4.4 times I'd say he is pretty close to 100%... But the question still remains if he can take over after Moulds... Maybe but he will have to prove he has the heart of a champion like Moulds.

Still another Question is if he will be able to contribute to the Offense in his rookie campaign... With 4.3 speed he will have an easier time proving himself if he can just beat people deep and make the catch.. unlike Reed who had to use his route running and separation to get open.

I'd have to call Evans pickup a definate plus for this offense.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Mr. Cynical
If he was that good or better than any other qb why didn't anyone take him before 22? I'm not saying I think he sucks, but to say he is better than the big 3 just doesn't make sense. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, but I'm going to put my trust behind the majority of people who rate drafts for a living. He is not better than the big 3 according to them.

people questioned his attitude.. a confident cocky guy is going to turn some people off.. but if there is one thing that i trust about td's evaluation of players more than any other aspect is that he is not going to put an ******* on this team.. he has an impecable record when it comes to that.. i am not going to say that losmans character concerns were not something that i looked at.. but if td feels like it is a non issue.. then that is good enough for me..

there is not a single person on this board that has met this kid in person.. td has.. a couple different times.. i am pretty sure that he would know better than me.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by juice
Along with speed you also can't teach size which is what Evans is lacking... He makes up for the lack of size with speed but the issue in many peoples mind is whether he at 5'11 can be the future Moulds replacement?

coles, hines ward, marvin harrison, steve smith, derrick mason, joey galloway, torry holt, santana moss, peter warrick, darrell jackson, dante stallworth, donald driver, peerless price... all of new englands wrs that have superbowl rings,

know what they have in common.. all are 6 foot or under..