Complain all you want but Tom Donahoe will be here next year...

**Billz_fan** · 09-21-2004, 04:22 PM

So are you saying that RW doesn't care about winning anymore as long as the finances are in order and the Bills make Ralph money ?

Or is RW just willing to give TD 1000+ chances because his pockets are getting fat in the process ? Which really breaks down to the first scenario and question in the end.

**SABURZFAN** · 09-21-2004, 04:31 PM

i guess we'll just settle in for another 17-33 record for the next 3 years.

**FTG** · 09-21-2004, 04:51 PM

I agree. TD bombed on GW and Bledsoe. Ralph is going to give him a second chance with Mularkey and Losman. If they fail he's gone but thats gonna be at least 2 years away.

**HenryRules** · 09-21-2004, 05:41 PM

Let's see the season ticket renewal rates this upcoming offseason. TD had two scapegoats in Gregg Williams and Kevin Gilbride last season, if we have a similar record this year, we won't have a scapegoat other than him.

**RedEyE** · 09-21-2004, 05:46 PM

TD went out and got the best QB available when he signed Bledsoe. I really don't see how he could be faulted with that. The other morons available at the time where equally as usless. Bledsoe at least provide one year of acceptable services.

**HenryRules** · 09-21-2004, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by RedEyE

TD went out and got the best QB available when he signed Bledsoe. I really don't see how he could be faulted with that. The other morons available at the time where equally as usless. Bledsoe at least provide one year of acceptable services.

We overpaid a divisional foe when there were other options available. That's how I fault him. If that trade is with 28 other teams, it's not as bad ... but if you're making a trade within the division, you better come out on the upper hand.

**Typ0** · 09-21-2004, 05:56 PM

This is exactly what I was saying on the season ticket thread....that being so dedicated to buying the tickets to a perpetually crappy team is counter-productive. IMHO TD is a budget manager. He's very frugal and knows how to keep the product just over marginally well so it looks good and has a chance. There will be years under his reign where things click and the team does reasonably well...but we will never be over the hump of winning a championship in this league because of his hiring and draft style. I'd much rather suffer through four crappy years....two good ones and a championship season than just a bunch of crappy are marginally good years. We are going to have the second option with TD. As long as people have the attitude "i'm going to buy tickets no matter how bad the team is or what the outlook is" management is not motivated to do anything about it. Buying tickets is like voting...it's your chance to make a difference.

**Typ0** · 09-21-2004, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by RedEyE

TD went out and got the best QB available when he signed Bledsoe. I really don't see how he could be faulted with that. The other morons available at the time where equally as usless. Bledsoe at least provide one year of acceptable services.

I agree with that...but he lacked the commitment to what DB brought to the team. He failed to put a system and staff in place where DB could be successful. If you are going to make the trade for a franchise player like that you don't screw him right from the get go.

**RedEyE** · 09-21-2004, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by HenryRules

We overpaid a divisional foe when there were other options available. That's how I fault him. If that trade is with 28 other teams, it's not as bad ... but if you're making a trade within the division, you better come out on the upper hand.

I can't say I disagree with you there, but you have to look at all sides of negotiations. Pats weren't ready to part with Bledsoe at first, and he was the cream of the crop at the time. The Bills had no one, and would have been going into the season with AVP had we not signed him.

I believe he did what he needed to do to enhance the team at that particular time. Without utilizing hindsight, I really can't see what else TD could have done.

Let's not forget, that Bledsoe's first year with the Bills produced a high powered offense. His performance is just now rapidly depleting.

**RedEyE** · 09-21-2004, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by Typ0

I agree with that...but he lacked the commitment to what DB brought to the team. He failed to put a system and staff in place where DB could be successful. If you are going to make the trade for a franchise player like that you don't screw him right from the get go.

The signing of Bledsoe and the work on the Sal cap is where my backing up TD ceases. I agree with everything else stated about his horrible decision making.

**Voltron** · 09-21-2004, 06:02 PM

Eb I won't argue that fact at all. It doesn't mean I am on his bandwagon anymore. His Honeymoon is over with me and I gave him 3 years for a honeymoon!

**Ebenezer** · 09-21-2004, 06:50 PM

Originally posted by HenryRules

We overpaid a divisional foe when there were other options available.

Here we go again...we fought this battle for almost two years...please, again, tell me who the options were and that they were available and willing to come here...i'll save you the trouble...the only option was Jeff Blake...he sucked, got cut and didn't want to come here in the first place.

**HenryRules** · 09-21-2004, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Ebenezer

Here we go again...we fought this battle for almost two years...please, again, tell me who the options were and that they were available and willing to come here...i'll save you the trouble...the only option was Jeff Blake...he sucked, got cut and didn't want to come here in the first place.

First, I was a fan of the Bledsoe trade and am not as against it as others, however, as I said, it's a bad move because we overpaid a divisional foe when other options were available.

For the others available: Dilfer, Banks, Blake, Chandler, and Delhomme are some of the players that were available that offseason. I don't think any of them would have been as successful as Drew in 2002. However, I think them, and the extra $4 mil or so last year plus the extra $2 mil+ this year and in the future, along with the 1st rounder, would have helped us a lot more these past two years. Delhomme and Dilfer have both been good enough to take teams to the Super Bowl, so I don't think signing either of them was locking us in to failure.

Again, we make that trade with 28 other teams and it's not nearly as bad as it turns out here ... but if you're making it with a divisional foe, you have to win the trade - it can't be a trade that turns out bad for you.

**don137** · 09-21-2004, 08:38 PM

It almost seems like every year their is a fall guy for TD and the fans buy into and keep coming back. As long as the fans are coming back TD will be fine...
The first year (2001) the Bills the fall guy was the salary cap and the mess he inherited from Butler. The Bills were in salary cap hell so everyone accepted it.

The second year (2002) the Bills still were having a salary cap hangover but their was improvement so the fans forgave him and said wait until next year...

His third year (2003) everyone blamed GW and Gilbride and had the thought that this is a very good team but had bad coaching. Fans hold out hope 2004 will be the year...

This year the team still sucks but many feel the team is really much better than what they are playing. Blame falls on the shoulders of Bledsoe. After the season Bledsoe will be the fall guy. The fans will be optomistic because in 2005 JP Losman will be the starting QB so Bills fans will keep coming back.

Seems like every year the blame is shifted everywhere else but TD. The problem is TD hired GW. He traded for Bledsoe. He needs to be more accountable and take more heat than what he is taking.

Complain all you want but Tom Donahoe will be here next year...

Complain all you want but Tom Donahoe will be here next year...

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