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  • R. Rich
    Registered User
    • Apr 2003
    • 15874

    #31
    Re: Thoughts

    Originally posted by Forward_Lateral
    Yeah, but who's going to pay 10 million for them? A few might, while the others who can't afford to, lose out. Either the salary increases have to change, or the FA draft values have to change. Something has to give. As it stands now, with the formulas I created in the Excel file, if every team kept their entire roster next season, I think the lowest team was still 35 million OVER the cap. That's almost 50 % of your roster you have to cut, just to get to the cap. Then, you have no money to fill in your holes. So essentially, you'll probably be able to afford to keep a handful of players worth more than 1 million, draft maybe one or two, the rest will be worthless scrubs. I think it sucks that I wasted my time scouting a bunch of guys worth 500K to 100K and now I have to pay those guys 1.5 and 1.1 million. Some of those guys will be good in a few years, but I can't afford to keep them at that price.
    I agree. I still want to participate in the league, I just don't want to have to gut my entire team year after year to stay. I think that's ridiculous; even the NFL doesn't force teams to rebuild on a yearly basis.

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    • R. Rich
      Registered User
      • Apr 2003
      • 15874

      #32
      Re: Thoughts

      Originally posted by Devin
      Well no one throw in the towel yet, I am sure there is a logical way about this. I sort of assumed this was how it was from the start, but I am sure Eb will explain it clearly when he is back.
      I haven't, but as F_L said, something needs to change for us to continue.

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      • MikeInRoch
        Registered User
        • Sep 2003
        • 10446

        #33
        Re: Thoughts

        This is why I had such little concern for how old some of the players I drafted were. Based on the constitution, I realized there is going to be heavy, heavy turnover in these teams. Any player who is kept more than two years is going to cause major cap issues. So I decided to always play for the moment.
        "'Clean up your room.', 'Stand up straight.', 'Pick up your feet.', 'Take it like a man.', 'Be nice to your sister.', 'Don't mix beer and wine, ever.'. Oh yeah, 'Don't drive on the railroad track.'"

        "Eh, Phil. That's one I happen to agree with."

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        • Devin
          The Octagon
          • Apr 2003
          • 23878

          #34
          Re: Thoughts

          Well the trick is satisfying the cap as well as keeping teams competitive. I dont believe a team should have to break up their "core" but at the same time something has to be done to keep the league competitive (i.e cap restrictions...etc).
          http://gridironjunkies.net/forums/index.php

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          • R. Rich
            Registered User
            • Apr 2003
            • 15874

            #35
            Re: Thoughts

            Originally posted by MikeInRoch
            This is why I had such little concern for how old some of the players I drafted were. Based on the constitution, I realized there is going to be heavy, heavy turnover in these teams. Any player who is kept more than two years is going to cause major cap issues. So I decided to always play for the moment.
            I have fun playing in those leagues. They're called 'fantasy football' leagues.

            This was supposed to be different, or so I thought.

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            • R. Rich
              Registered User
              • Apr 2003
              • 15874

              #36
              Re: Thoughts

              Originally posted by Devin
              Well the trick is satisfying the cap as well as keeping teams competitive. I dont believe a team should have to break up their "core" but at the same time something has to be done to keep the league competitive (i.e cap restrictions...etc).
              I like keeping things competitive also, but if it means gutting my team year after year, that's a bit much. It appears that the rules will have owners in this league doing something that happens just every so often in the actual NFL: a salary cap purge. It's just not necessary to have to do that every year.

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              • L.A. Playa
                Registered User
                • Aug 2003
                • 19295

                #37
                Re: Thoughts

                Im my opinion if you cant keep a core of 25-35 guys over a 3-5 year period because it is not cost effective then it undercuts this being a NFL style league you can have turnover of 11-15 guys a year which usually should include 1-5 starters and the rest backup players that is what realistically happens in the NFL and if this is gonna be similar should happen here

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                • L.A. Playa
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 19295

                  #38
                  Re: Thoughts

                  I understand the FA draft this year but being that we can protect only 35 players including rookies I think kinda sucks too, we should be able to protect 35 currently on our roster and as many rookies as we wish, alot of rookies dont develop in one year and since taht is the case why should we even have a 7 round rookie draft it should be only a 3 rd draft considering you are only gonna keep 3-4 rookies out of 7 if you have to choose between a a rookie who saw limited action compared to a veteran who made some contributions

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                  • L.A. Playa
                    Registered User
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 19295

                    #39
                    Re: Thoughts

                    Here is my proposal, let me know waht you guys think. I beleive we should be able to protect 35 players on our current teams and our rookie draft class. If we sign players to long term contracts they max out at $10 mil still but lets say you havea 100k player that became an all pro this year you can sign him to a 3 year contract starting at lets say $2 mil for the first year and increasing 10% the second year and 20% the third year and so on if longer contract. This way if a player is eligible for FA then you offer a qualifing offer knowing if someone offers more you can match but must pay for same length of contract with amnt going up 10%after 1 year 20% after 2, 30% after 3 and so on.

                    What ya guys think any feedback??

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                    • The King
                      Without me it's just Awe so
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 42380

                      #40
                      Re: Thoughts

                      I def believe some work needs to be done. Perhaps when can schedule a chat in like an Instant Messager chat room and we can brainstorm.
                      I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?"
                      "Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet.
                      You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
                      It was all
                      true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
                      He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can
                      mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.


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                      • R. Rich
                        Registered User
                        • Apr 2003
                        • 15874

                        #41
                        Re: Thoughts

                        Originally posted by MBBedard
                        I def believe some work needs to be done. Perhaps when can schedule a chat in like an Instant Messager chat room and we can brainstorm.
                        Not a bad idea. Well, @ the very least, I know that Devin, Eb, and I have MSN Messenger, so we could have a meeting of the BZFL execs once Eb's back.

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                        • Canadian'eh!
                          Registered User
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 12879

                          #42
                          Re: Thoughts

                          I do see an issue witht he 1mill/year increase.... this REALLY should be on a %.... jumping from 5 to 6 mill is one thing... but 100k to 1.1 mill is insanity....

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                          • Michael82
                            Registered User
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 82328

                            #43
                            Re: Thoughts

                            Originally posted by R. Rich
                            Not a bad idea. Well, @ the very least, I know that Devin, Eb, and I have MSN Messenger, so we could have a meeting of the BZFL execs once Eb's back.
                            I have MSN too. So I can also be a part of it when it is time.

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                            • Ebenezer
                              Give me a minute...
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 73867

                              #44
                              Re: Thoughts

                              OK...there is a lot here to address...let me start with this and then I will address other issues as needed.

                              When you first sign a player you sign him to a one year contract. A players salary does not increase until year three. For example, I drafted Jake Delhomme at $5 mil. If I choose to resign him to a one year contract next season he will get a contract for $5 mil. However, if I choose to give him a long term deal, then his salary goes up. Let's say I give him a 3 year deal. He contract numbers would then be: $5mil, $6mil, $7mil. Hence, whenever you sign a free agent he plays at the same salary for two years in a row.

                              I am also not against increasing the salary cap each year. But I don't want to go crazy. If we went up $3-5 mil a year I would go along with that. I am also in favor of decreasing the number of players that need to be kept, if needed.

                              Does these points help at all?




                              For all the education and practice each of us undergoes, the achievment of mastery is ultimately the outcome of a personal quest for understanding.

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                              • Ebenezer
                                Give me a minute...
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 73867

                                #45
                                Re: Thoughts

                                I also like the idea of a conference call using MSN.




                                For all the education and practice each of us undergoes, the achievment of mastery is ultimately the outcome of a personal quest for understanding.

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