Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

[ICE74129]

Yeah I know the cap may be 108 mill or something like it. But it's just a matter of principal. He is over 30, on the downside of his career. He has maybe two good years left. He isn't worth Extending nor keeping at 11+ mill. With the extention a team like Philly will take him for his 6 mill in base pay and give him some incentives.

If Eric had done what Mushin Muhamad did in Chicago last year, I would be screaming to keep him, instead he did a 180. I watched an NFLN special on MM right after the season started. Long story short, he said he didn't come to Chicago to automatically play for a rookie QB. He didnt like it. But he said I am a Veteran and need to do what is best for this TEAM. And what is best is for me to not think about what 'I' Want and help this kid all I can. He said it would be tough on the field and in the locker room, but if they were to succeed, then he had to rally the troops around Orton. Orton won 10 games as a Rookie.

I'm sorry if my opinion on this issue pisses some off, but I am a team type guy. Moulds had had attitude knocks on him even in college. The off the field troubles do show the character of a man. I am a jerk sometimes but I have never beat a woman. I get frustrated but I have never spit in a mans face. That is the ultimate disrespect. Then Moulds gets to out of whack that he goes and leads a charge to get JP Benched, then he pulls himself out of the Miami game, listens to his Ipod instead of the coaches at 1/2 time and gets suspended. Sorry I don't want that on my team. Those are the actions of a 23 year old rookie, not a 10 year veteran.

Some have said 'who is out there that can measure up compared to moulds'. Pure talent wise? Isaac Bruce. Maybe one more somewhere. But I will take less talent for a guy with more character and a better attitude any day.

I bet marv keeps moulds. It will be for sentimental and fan driven reasons. It is a bad move for the locker room, (JP in particular) and for the cap. You never extend a guy this old, this many years and him already having this high a cap number UNLESS....you are a superbowl contender.

Just my two cents.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

Moulds did what was best for the team too. He wanted the best player out on the field. He was also a team player. He spoke on behalf of the vets who wanted the same thing.

Just my two cents.

[ICE74129]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

Moulds did what was best for the team too. He wanted the best player out on the field. He was also a team player. He spoke on behalf of the vets who wanted the same thing.

Just my two cents.

Most of those vets have been cut too. MM did the right thing, Moulds didn't. You have to play with who is out there, not what YOU want. Do you not think the vets would have wanted Chicago to bring in or trade for a Vet instead of playing orton?

Chicago players did the RIGHT Thing and won thier division and a first round bye. Buffalo players did what they wanted, and we went 5-11. That's all there is to say about that.

[EricStratton]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

When Mushin Muhamad blew up at halftime of the Chicago/Atlanta game and the Bears put Grossman in was that being selfish or a team player?

Every player has their moments when they get frustrated.

[ICE74129]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

When Mushin Muhamad blew up at halftime of the Chicago/Atlanta game and the Bears put Grossman in was that being selfish or a team player?

Every player has their moments when they get frustrated.

Grossman was ready at that point. MM Blew up for many reasons, Orton was one of them. Hey all I know is this, I watched the special, the team supported thier Rookie QB and he won 10 games for them as a ROOKIE. so at some point the team came together and decided to give the kid thier full support. Something JP never had.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

Most of those vets have been cut too. .

So now you know why they wanted to win now. They weren't getting any younger and have busted their butts all these years . They were suppose to go to the playoffs and IMO they would've if Moolarkey retained Drew but instead he annoints a rookie qb who wasn't ready. I'd be pissed and frustrated too if I busted my butt for this team only to be held back because the coaches and GM didn't know what the hell they were doing.

Ice it's pretty obvious you are looking at things through your JP rose colored glasses. If Moulds is retained , believe me, Marv will get him to play 100% regardless of who is at qb. The past regime couldn't get through to their players. It was basically their fault that the players had their differences. This is a different staff. If we had the same staff, chances are things aren't gonna get iron out.


BTW, did MM take in rookie wr's every offseason and spend time getting them ready? Moulds did that every year. You forgot about that because he had 1 difference with one player and it happened to be your boy. Na, sorry.

[clumping platelets]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

I keep Moulds and draft his replacement

[mybills]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

The off the field troubles do show the character of a man. I am a jerk sometimes but I have never beat a woman. I get frustrated but I have never spit in a mans face.

She was prolly having a hissy fit just like this thread.


btw, that spitting incident I don't buy. Not the first one anyway. He was yelling at someone and sprayed them. You should be knocking the little pussy that called it spitting.

just my 2 cents.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

I keep Moulds and draft his replacement

thats what I'm hoping will happen.

[Philagape]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

They were suppose to go to the playoffs and IMO they would've if Moolarkey retained Drew

He couldn't get to the playoffs on a much better Dallas team, but he would have been the difference between 5-11 and 11-5 here? Behind our line? With our defense and coaching? OMG ... even the trolls don't go that far

[justasportsfan]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

He couldn't get to the playoffs on a much better Dallas team, but he would have been the difference between 5-11 and 11-5 here? Behind our line? With our defense and coaching? OMG ... even the trolls don't go that far

The Afce was one of the weakest divisions in the NFL. Drew would've outperformed Jp and KH but would've sucked anyways. Drew may have been an idiot but he was respected by his teammates and there would've been tability at the qb position which was our biggest problem.


Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's gone but the coaches were not smart enough to replace him with a better option.

[ICE74129]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

So now you know why they wanted to win now. .

then they should have supported the QB, not undermined him. Thier method = 5-11. The veterans on the Bears method = first round bye and a division win.

Sorry justa your arguements don't hold water. The Bears vets wanted to win now and they did...by supporting the QB out there. That is how you win games. Holcomb would not have won us but maybe one more game. That is still 6-10. the Veterans didn't look to the problems THEY Had ( not stopping the run, not running good routes and catching the Ball, not blocking well etc) and pinned it on an essentially Rookie QB.

That isn't veteran leadership justa. That is selfishness. The results of the facts are right clear.

[TacklingDummy]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

Grossman was ready at that point. MM Blew up for many reasons, Orton was one of them. Hey all I know is this, I watched the special, the team supported thier Rookie QB and he won 10 games for them as a ROOKIE. so at some point the team came together and decided to give the kid thier full support. Something JP never had.

Wrong in so many ways.

JP wasn't ready to be a starter in this league and his 1st 4 games showed the nation that.

The only reason the Bears players say they supported Orton was because they were winning games. And there was no other option. As soon as another option came available they made a switch at QB.

Orton did not win 10 games for the Bears as a rookie. Chicago's defense won 10 games for Orton as a rookie.

If they truely supported Orton then they would of never switched back to Grossman.

JP had the full support of the Bills entire organization when last year started. They even cut Bledsoe to show their support to JP. If JP didn't start the season 1-3 and look clueless out on the football field he would of never of been benched.

The Bills defense didn't play great for the Bills last year and win games for them. But they did hold the Bills into games that could of been won if they had a QB. Like the Atlanta game, the Miami game, Tampa game, NO game, Carolina game.

[ICE74129]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

I keep Moulds and draft his replacement

I cut moulds and bring in Bruce. He will be cheaper, has much better character and knows what fairchild will want to do on offense.

We drafted Moulds replacement...Evans.

[justasportsfan]

Re: Even with an agreement I say cut moulds.

then they should have supported the QB, not undermined him. Thier method = 5-11. The veterans on the Bears method = first round bye and a division win.

Sorry justa your arguements don't hold water. The Bears vets wanted to win now and they did...by supporting the QB out there. That is how you win games. Holcomb would not have won us but maybe one more game. That is still 6-10. the Veterans didn't look to the problems THEY Had ( not stopping the run, not running good routes and catching the Ball, not blocking well etc) and pinned it on an essentially Rookie QB.

That isn't veteran leadership justa. That is selfishness. The results of the facts are right clear.

undermine a rookie who was annointed by a stupid coach? Would you go to Iraq if Donahoe told you to go and he would annoint Peewee Herman to lead the way? BTw don't worry about Peewee, he's got tons of potential.



Obviously my arguments does hold water on the simple facts that in the end, the players were right to b!tch about an era that has proven to be a failure. Let the results speak for itself. You cannot tell me that players will just accept Donahoes decisions as long as they are being paid. Sorry, players do get fed up.




Ask Spikes, he wanted out of Cincy. I will never blindly stay with a team that doesn't want to win. If I am considered the leader of this team I will speak on behalf of the team if they want me to and make sure their sentiments are heard.


You know what , maybe Upshaw should just sit back and keep quiet even though the players want a BCA. By your Logic , that's what a leader/spokesperson should do.

If there is any argument that doesn't hold water it's yours because you formulate an opinion based on your emotions for JP. Your hatred for Moulds stems from that. Although I like Jp , you sound like the Johnsonites of the past.