Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

[better days]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

At any rate, I think it's fair to say the rush to PAT was a bit odd considering. I just watched the first three quarters again. I tried to watch that play and the ensuing replays from a Dolphins fan perspective. They showed a replay with a great view but his hand is moving too fast to see anything clearly. But if I was a Dollies fan, I'd be screaming fumble. And then they cut away and the Bills are lining up to kick. It was surprising.

That CBS officiating analyst is pretty lame.

They could not kick the PAT until the play was reviewed, it was a quick review.

I have TIVO which has a great slow motion feature. I slowed the play down that was shown on game rewind & you could see #21 Brent Grimes get his hand in there to jar the ball loose.

Watkins got control of the ball again before it hit the pylon.

The best real time view I saw along with sounds of the game was on Inside the NFL on Showtime & NFL Network.

That had a great view of Watkins hand with the ball in it as it hit the pylon.

[Goobylal]

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They could not kick the PAT until the play was reviewed, it was a quick review.

I have TIVO which has a great slow motion feature. I slowed the play down that was shown on game rewind & you could see #21 Brent Grimes get his hand in there to jar the ball loose.

Watkins got control of the ball again before it hit the pylon.

The best real time view I saw along with sounds of the game was on Inside the NFL on Showtime & NFL Network.

That had a great view of Watkins hand with the ball in it as it hit the pylon.

This. And surprisingly, not a lot of Miami fans had a problem with the call. I'm figuring that's because a) they know it was the right one +/- b) it wouldn't have made a difference to the outcome either way.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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The rule itself should be changed IMO.

If the Offense on the field is the last team to have possession of the football can anyone give me any logical reason why the football is given to the opposing team.

It makes no sense...

The touchback rule? The point of the game is to maintain possession of the ball into the endzone, if it gets fumbled forwards across the goal line and out of play, why should the offense be rewarded with retaining possession?

[Goobylal]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

The touchback rule? The point of the game is to maintain possession of the ball into the endzone, if it gets fumbled forwards across the goal line and out of play, why should the offense be rewarded with retaining possession?

Yeah, not sure it should be changed. I mean, where would you spot the ball?

[yordad]

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You would spot it at the 20, and the rule is actually likely to be changed. It might be the dumbest one in sports.

[Goobylal]

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You would spot it at the 20, and the rule is actually likely to be changed. It might be the dumbest one in sports.

So the team that fumbled the ball gets it back, but at the opponent's 20? Or their own? And has there been any talk about changing it?

[swiper]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

[yordad]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

So the team that fumbled the ball gets it back, but at the opponent's 20? Or their own? And has there been any talk about changing it?

The opponents 20. And yes, there have been talks of changing it.

[yordad]

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Here is an example of someone talking about it....

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/16/worst-rule-in-football-robs-possession-from-the-bucs/

The talk I have heard on a high school level.

[gebobs]

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They could not kick the PAT until the play was reviewed, it was a quick review.

That's the point. It was too quick. I'm not saying they made the wrong call, but it just seemed incongruous. Here you had a critical touchdown and a controversial result. And the PAT was kicked faster than if it was a Jerome Bettis slam through the line 5 deep into the end zone from a half yard out.

[gebobs]

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So the team that fumbled the ball gets it back, but at the opponent's 20? Or their own? And has there been any talk about changing it?

No. The opposing team gets the ball.

[JoeMama]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

How much trifling, unnecessary micro-analysis is needed for this thread?

Watkins got in for the TD. End of story.

[gebobs]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

How much trifling, unnecessary micro-analysis is needed for this thread?

Watkins got in for the TD. End of story.

Well, with all due respect, if that was all we were discussing, I would agree. If you don't care to discuss the hypothetical if it went the other way or to give your opinion on whether he actually had the ball, then unsubscribe from the thread.

And if you don't like trifling micro-analysis, good grief, how can you stand it in any of these forums? It's the rule.

[Goobylal]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

I looked at the play again and it wasn't the pylon that knocked the ball loose: it was Luis Delmas' knee. But again, that was (just barely) after the ball crossed the goalline. A frame-by-frame analysis like the NFL would have would be able to determine this.

BTW, I looked at a couple Dols message boards and outside of a smattering of fans thinking it was a fumble, the majority didn't see it that way and/or didn't think it would have mattered in the outcome.

[gebobs]

Re: Was Sammy's TD really a TD or was it a fumble?

BTW, I looked at a couple Dols message boards and outside of a smattering of fans thinking it was a fumble, the majority didn't see it that way and/or didn't think it would have mattered in the outcome.

Sure ya did. Sure, I totally believe you did that. Makes perfect sense!