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  • better days
    Registered User
    • Jan 2010
    • 22028

    Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

    Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
    From Robert Parry, a REAL investigative journalist, not a sports scribbler...



    Rushing to Judge NFL's Patriots Guilty

    by Robert Parry | January 27, 2015 - 10:21am

    Given how bad mainstream American journalism has become, I sometimes turn to ESPN for relief and generally find the sports network’s reporting – based on statistics and observable facts – to be superior to the rushes to judgment that have come to define U.S. political and foreign reporting.

    But it seems the disease of sloppy and opinionated journalism has spread to ESPN, too, as demonstrated by the network’s unseemly rush to judgment over the so-called “Deflate-gate” scandal swirling around the New England Patriots’ 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC Championship game on Jan. 18.

    Immediately after the game, all anyone was talking about was whether the Patriots intentionally deflated the footballs used in the first half to gain an unfair competitive advantage, by taking the balls from a legal minimum 12.5 pounds per square inch (PSI), down about 2 PSI below the legal standard.

    And, though this controversy is about football – not about whether to go to war in some faraway country – the scandal does touch on journalistic principles that should be applied everywhere, especially where people’s reputations are affected.

    As a longtime investigative reporter, I have always found it important – when addressing a suspicion of wrongdoing – to consider possible innocent explanations before concluding that someone committed an offense. Otherwise, you become easily drawn into conspiracy theories, assuming guilt rather than assessing evidence.

    However, as “Deflate-gate” jumped from the sports pages onto the news shows and news pages, what was lacking across the board was any skepticism regarding the Patriots’ assumed guilt. The principle of presumed innocence was jettisoned and the only question was who was more guilty, coach Bill Belichick or quarterback Tom Brady, and what the punishment should be.

    It became common for commentators on ESPN as well as regular news shows and talk radio to call Brady a liar and Belichick a chronic cheater. Yet, those conclusions were reached in the absence of direct evidence that anyone working for the Patriots had actually deflated the footballs.

    ...and...

    Fitting with ESPN’s defensiveness, an article on Sunday was largely dismissive of Belichick’s explanation while burying at the bottom of the story this item from a Pittsburgh-based sports science organization which essentially replicated the Patriots’ experiment:

    “HeadSmart Labs in Pittsburgh conducted a study that indicated the pressure in the footballs used in the AFC Championship Game could have dropped 1.95 PSI from weather and field conditions alone.

    “HeadSmart said it tested 12 new footballs that were inflated to 12.5 PSI in a 75 degree room to imitate the indoor conditions where the referees would have tested the footballs 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff. The footballs were then moved to a 50-degree environment to simulate the temperatures that were experienced throughout the game and were dampened to replicate the rainy conditions.

    “‘Out of the 12 footballs we tested, we found that on average, footballs dropped 1.8 PSI when being exposed to dropping temperatures and wet conditions,’ the lab’s report states.”


    In other words, an independent organization that specializes in the science of athletic equipment essentially confirmed what Belichick had said. And there is the additional loss of PSI that one might expect from 300-pound players landing on the footballs.

    ...more...
    smirkingchimp.com LMAO, not exactly the Washington Post is it?

    Parry is NOT Woodward or Bernstein.

    So sad watching you TRY to defend the CHEATERS.
    Last edited by better days; 01-27-2015, 02:51 PM.

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    • Buddo
      Registered User
      • Mar 2007
      • 1864

      Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

      What a load of bollocks. Pats cheated, simple as. You can BS all you want about temp changes, but the simple fact remains, that at no stage did the footballs used by the Colts, not have sufficient pressure in them to be deemed legal. By the end of the first half, 11 out of 12 footballs the Pats used, were under-inflated, and hence 'illegal'. All of this garbage about temp changes, didn't make any difference to the footballs remaining legal, at the end of the game, when the zebras re-checked them after putting the right amount of air in them. You don't need physics to work out what simple logic tells you. The Patsies cheated, again.

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      • Joe Fo Sho
        Making Spirits Bright
        • Mar 2006
        • 6194

        Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

        Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
        From Robert Parry, a REAL investigative journalist, not a sports scribbler...



        Rushing to Judge NFL's Patriots Guilty

        by Robert Parry | January 27, 2015 - 10:21am

        Given how bad mainstream American journalism has become, I sometimes turn to ESPN for relief and generally find the sports network’s reporting – based on statistics and observable facts – to be superior to the rushes to judgment that have come to define U.S. political and foreign reporting.

        But it seems the disease of sloppy and opinionated journalism has spread to ESPN, too, as demonstrated by the network’s unseemly rush to judgment over the so-called “Deflate-gate” scandal swirling around the New England Patriots’ 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts in the AFC Championship game on Jan. 18.

        Immediately after the game, all anyone was talking about was whether the Patriots intentionally deflated the footballs used in the first half to gain an unfair competitive advantage, by taking the balls from a legal minimum 12.5 pounds per square inch (PSI), down about 2 PSI below the legal standard.

        And, though this controversy is about football – not about whether to go to war in some faraway country – the scandal does touch on journalistic principles that should be applied everywhere, especially where people’s reputations are affected.

        As a longtime investigative reporter, I have always found it important – when addressing a suspicion of wrongdoing – to consider possible innocent explanations before concluding that someone committed an offense. Otherwise, you become easily drawn into conspiracy theories, assuming guilt rather than assessing evidence.

        However, as “Deflate-gate” jumped from the sports pages onto the news shows and news pages, what was lacking across the board was any skepticism regarding the Patriots’ assumed guilt. The principle of presumed innocence was jettisoned and the only question was who was more guilty, coach Bill Belichick or quarterback Tom Brady, and what the punishment should be.

        It became common for commentators on ESPN as well as regular news shows and talk radio to call Brady a liar and Belichick a chronic cheater. Yet, those conclusions were reached in the absence of direct evidence that anyone working for the Patriots had actually deflated the footballs.

        ...and...

        Fitting with ESPN’s defensiveness, an article on Sunday was largely dismissive of Belichick’s explanation while burying at the bottom of the story this item from a Pittsburgh-based sports science organization which essentially replicated the Patriots’ experiment:

        “HeadSmart Labs in Pittsburgh conducted a study that indicated the pressure in the footballs used in the AFC Championship Game could have dropped 1.95 PSI from weather and field conditions alone.

        “HeadSmart said it tested 12 new footballs that were inflated to 12.5 PSI in a 75 degree room to imitate the indoor conditions where the referees would have tested the footballs 2 hours and 15 minutes before kickoff. The footballs were then moved to a 50-degree environment to simulate the temperatures that were experienced throughout the game and were dampened to replicate the rainy conditions.

        “‘Out of the 12 footballs we tested, we found that on average, footballs dropped 1.8 PSI when being exposed to dropping temperatures and wet conditions,’ the lab’s report states.”


        In other words, an independent organization that specializes in the science of athletic equipment essentially confirmed what Belichick had said. And there is the additional loss of PSI that one might expect from 300-pound players landing on the footballs.

        ...more...
        So roughly a 2 psi pressure drop. How come the Colts balls didn't deflate that much? Assuming they were at the max range of 13.5 psi, a 2 psi drop would put them under the lower limit by 1 psi. This story is bull****.

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        • Strongman
          Registered User
          • Apr 2006
          • 763

          Re: Robert Kraft wants an apology from the NFL

          Many times, when someone claims they followed the law (or in this case, rule) to the letter, they know they didn't follow the spirit of the rule.

          At this point, my best guess is the Cheatriots** are skirting the rules and exploiting a gray area. They probably used a ball that had lower pressure (something in the 12.0 +/-0.5 PSI range).

          The reason Kraft is sounding so confident is he's pretty sure, is they have a plausible excuse to account for this. The temperature on game day could account for some of the lower pressure, but not a full 2 lbs.
          Last edited by Strongman; 01-27-2015, 03:40 PM.

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          • Mr. Pink
            Peterman Sucks!
            • Mar 2006
            • 35303

            Re: Robert Kraft wants an apology from the NFL

            Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
            BTW, are the haters starting to get the sinking feeling that the Pats will be fully exonerated and they'll look like total fools again?

            Time to start backtracking guys if your credibility means anything to you.

            Just a friendly warning...
            They'll be hit with a slap on the wrist.

            The league will do it to save face.

            Just like they did with the Chargers in 2012 with the "Stick Um" incident.

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            • gebobs
              One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
              • Sep 2003
              • 11520

              Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

              I saw the presentation by HeadSmart Labs and was not impressed at all. Their results were shockingly at odds with basic physics.
              Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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              • gebobs
                One Bills Drive, Georgia - 871 miles south of Orchard Park
                • Sep 2003
                • 11520

                Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

                Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                I can make any wild allegation about you I want and as long as you can'r DISprove it, we have to consider it having an equal possibility of being true or false? C'mon
                Who cares if they can't disprove it or not? This has all been brought on by them with their skirting and breaking the rules or the past decade and more. This is important and even if they are not guilty, it underscores a weakness in the way the game is presented. There need to be changes.
                Lehner's history. He just doesn't know it yet.

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                • Strongman
                  Registered User
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 763

                  Re: Ask A Scientist: Deflategate Is Trumped Up Nonsense

                  Originally posted by gebobs View Post
                  I saw the presentation by HeadSmart Labs and was not impressed at all. Their results were shockingly at odds with basic physics.
                  There are a few assumptions the Headsmart Labs video made that we simply don't know at this point. The biggest three are we don't know the initial conditions in which the balls were inflated, what the final PSI readings really were, or even if they are using some kind water resistant resin in their prepping.

                  The smoking gun here is are the Patriots** prepping their game balls so close to game time? Other teams seem to do this days to weeks in advance, and not a couple of hours prior like the Patriots** seem to do. Also Belichick, claiming he doesn't know a thing about how balls are prepped... I don't buy that.

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                  • Mr. Cynical
                    Maybe?
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 9766

                    Re: Robert Kraft wants an apology from the NFL

                    Kraft

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                    • YardRat
                      Well, lookie here...
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 86226

                      Re: Robert Kraft wants an apology from the NFL

                      Bob Kraft can eat a bag of dicks too.
                      YardRat Wall of Fame
                      #56 DARRYL TALLEY
                      #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

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                      • YardRat
                        Well, lookie here...
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 86226

                        Re: Robert Kraft wants an apology from the NFL

                        Now both Kraft and Belichek sounded way too confident in their pressers...they know Goodell will make it go away.
                        YardRat Wall of Fame
                        #56 DARRYL TALLEY
                        #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

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                        • YardRat
                          Well, lookie here...
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 86226

                          Re: Robert Kraft wants an apology from the NFL

                          Goodell's response will most likely be 'This probably happens all of the time with cold weather games, it's just never been asked by any team to check before this. The Patriots did absolutely nothing wrong, but steps will be taken in future games to assure that the balls used comply with league rules at all times, as stated.'
                          YardRat Wall of Fame
                          #56 DARRYL TALLEY
                          #29 DERRICK BURROUGHS#22 FRED JACKSON #95 KYLE WILLIAMS

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                          • MitchMurrayDowntown
                            Skoobasaurus-Rex
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 22284

                            Re: Robert Kraft wants an apology from the NFL

                            Apologize to a team known to cheat & that has been caught before ?

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                            • upstart
                              Sir Osis of Liver
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 4555

                              Re: Robert Kraft wants an apology from the NFL

                              This whole thing was a non-issue.
                              The NFL forgot the main component of any business model, the customer.


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                              • Gibby
                                Registered User
                                • Jun 2006
                                • 18211

                                Re: Robert Kraft wants an apology from the NFL

                                Dear Mr. Kraft, I have requested that the NFL send you an apology to your inbox. To obtain the document, please put your head between your own legs and shove it up your own ass.

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