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Then Hes Gone. But I'm not gonna write off a 20 year Based on a bad game.
As far as grigo being a headcase, he's done all the right things since last year's meltdown, so I think that's a thing of the past
You are forgetting the Russian factor. They play when the want, usually a contract year. Then they hold the threat of the KHL over teams. There are very few Russians in the NHL EVER that were good hard working players who didn't cry or run when things went sour. I can really only think of a few. Mostly in the last decade. The ONLY Russians that I would even consider outside of this stereotype are Datsuyk, Malkin, Fedorov, Ovechkin. Maybe throw in a few of the goalies. Tarasenko and Kucherov are too early to tell.
Of course there's that factor. I look at last year, when he threw that tantrum. He changed his mind, did the right things, and has been fine ever since. I'm one of those people who believes in the best till proven the worst. And I'm patient.
Overall, he's been making strides in the AHL this year. No reason to hit the panic button over 1 game.
I'm guessing it's more likely that he hates lazy Russian players, or unskilled Russian players.
Yup. And this is also a kid who's talked a big game. A kid who threatened to head back overseas if he wasn't fast-tracked to the big league. A kid who's shown no results to live up to his own hype. If he's a Russian version of Hodgson in the making? **** it. Quit wasting time on his problematic ass. Move on and call it a day. There are some things the player must bring to the table - things that can't reasonably be expected to be "coached" - and if you ain't got it, you ain't got it, and you simply don't deserve any further consideration.
...Rob
The American Dream isn't an SUV and a house in the suburbs;
it's Don't Tread On Me.
its too bad half the sabres talk here is from 3 guys who can't get over a rebuilding process and need to cry about every little thing because their team is rebuilding in a different manner or struggling to make the playoffs.
JATMtheJATM, i tend to think you have your head screwed on straight for this sabres season. That being said, i think Nolan's critique of Grigs is a problem. it's not about one bad game. he's been called up a couple times and sent back down. he's been called up and been a healthy scratch.
rob ray in a pregame was pretty much over grigs as well. he said something to the effect of "he has talent, it's not out of this world talent, but combined with the inconsistency and inability to take over the AHL, it is hard to see where the upside is."
It is a warning shot of a lot of significance if the coach is willing to call you out in the media. it hurts trade value, for a young kid in his 20's who thought he should play right away and keeps hearing he isn't good enough, he could straight up quit. so it's a risky proposal. but perhaps all the other attempts to get to him isn't working.
it must be frustrating to have a guy who shows promise to be a player and you just see laziness in his game on his 3rd 4th call up when there are no more players out there. the sabres are running the amerks team and grigs isn't seizing the moment.
so after that long-windedness, i think grigs is down to his last strike. no one from management owes him anything since they didn't take him. they are going to have cap space to bring in FA on top of their draft haul and they have other kids in the system that are fighting like hell to leap frog him.
i suspect they will let him try again in camp next year, and if he doesn't outright crush it to win a spot, i suspect he is traded in a package as a prospect for another team to try with.
its too bad half the sabres talk here is from 3 guys who can't get over a rebuilding process and need to cry about every little thing because their team is rebuilding in a different manner or struggling to make the playoffs.
JATMtheJATM, i tend to think you have your head screwed on straight for this sabres season. That being said, i think Nolan's critique of Grigs is a problem. it's not about one bad game. he's been called up a couple times and sent back down. he's been called up and been a healthy scratch.
rob ray in a pregame was pretty much over grigs as well. he said something to the effect of "he has talent, it's not out of this world talent, but combined with the inconsistency and inability to take over the AHL, it is hard to see where the upside is."
It is a warning shot of a lot of significance if the coach is willing to call you out in the media. it hurts trade value, for a young kid in his 20's who thought he should play right away and keeps hearing he isn't good enough, he could straight up quit. so it's a risky proposal. but perhaps all the other attempts to get to him isn't working.
it must be frustrating to have a guy who shows promise to be a player and you just see laziness in his game on his 3rd 4th call up when there are no more players out there. the sabres are running the amerks team and grigs isn't seizing the moment.
so after that long-windedness, i think grigs is down to his last strike. no one from management owes him anything since they didn't take him. they are going to have cap space to bring in FA on top of their draft haul and they have other kids in the system that are fighting like hell to leap frog him.
i suspect they will let him try again in camp next year, and if he doesn't outright crush it to win a spot, i suspect he is traded in a package as a prospect for another team to try with.
A year ago, I'd have agreed. After his threat to take his ball and go home, he seemed to figure it out. Said the right things, did the right things. Worked on his game, stayed in buffalo over the summer to work on his game, impressed during camp, but sent down anyways. Didn't whine, went down to the AHL,played well down there and actually impressed people (I posted an article about it). So he comes up, doesn't play well a game, and suddenly, he becomes public enemy one for people with an axe to grind. Hes in his first full year pro, can't even drink yet, and people are ready to write him off, as if his attitude change never happened. You mention other attempts to get him haven't worked. They have though. Hes completely worked with Sabres and amerks coaches all season to improve his game.
And like Joe yerdon wrote yesterday, this isn't the first youngster Nolan has called out for lack of effort. Both other players responded. young players grow. I don't see why grigo is the exception to patience. If he goes to Rochester and pours about it, yeah there's a problem. so far, that hasn't been the case.
I only speak from experience about Russian players having watched the Jets deal with Burmistrov. He might turn it around. One question, if you guys don't tender him, do you think he picks himself up and signs with another NHL team or hits the first plane back to Russia?
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