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I kind of miss the days of Larry Kinnebrew, Roosevelt Leaks and Jim Braxton.
The 255# Larry Kinnebrew. 10/29/1989 vs Miami. Larry bowls the phins for 121 of Buffalo 280 yards rushing. Buffalo throws the ball a total of 9 times onto a 31-17 rout. Kinnebrew looked like an OG plowing through Miami's defense. Yeah, I miss those day too.
And that's supposed to mean something because we suddenly became a talented juggernaut that didn't carry players like Larry Dean and Randell Johnson on the active roster last year? Roman's offense heavily features the FB, wouldn't hurt to have two and it's not like it's going to cost some uber talented player a roster spot.
Even 1975 wasn't 1975 the way people are remembering it. The 75 Steelers used their fullback (Harris) as their primary rusher and the league-leading Bills still found room to give 180 carries to theirs. The idea that we'd carry two exclusively blocking fullbacks is pretty silly. I assume Conner is insurance if Felton is injured, otherwise this offense is going to be seriously retro.
As for Johnson and Dean, mock them all you will but they are basically our only linebacker depth now. With Spikes and Alonso gone, and our only incoming player of any consequence being a 6th round draft pick, you might see a lot more Johnson and Dean then you'd like.
Even 1975 wasn't 1975 the way people are remembering it. The 75 Steelers used their fullback (Harris) as their primary rusher and the league-leading Bills still found room to give 180 carries to theirs. The idea that we'd carry two exclusively blocking fullbacks is pretty silly. I assume Conner is insurance if Felton is injured, otherwise this offense is going to be seriously retro.
As for Johnson and Dean, mock them all you will but they are basically our only linebacker depth now. With Spikes and Alonso gone, and our only incoming player of any consequence being a 6th round draft pick, you might see a lot more Johnson and Dean then you'd like.
Not really sure how any of that justifies why we shouldn't carry a 2nd FB. If the offense calls for it, then what is the issue exactly? The rest of the NFL isn't doing it? That's not really convincing.
Also Larry Dean signed with Tampa this offseason, we don't have him anymore. Kinda speaks to my point about we don't have a roster so packed with talent we can't afford a roster spot to a 2nd FB.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
The 255# Larry Kinnebrew. 10/29/1989 vs Miami. Larry bowls the phins for 121 of Buffalo 280 yards rushing. Buffalo throws the ball a total of 9 times onto a 31-17 rout. Kinnebrew looked like an OG plowing through Miami's defense. Yeah, I miss those day too.
You know, I still remember that game, because we finally had a beast, but it was better when he bruised up up Cincinnati for 66 later in the year when we beat them. Behind Kinnebrew and Pete Johnson (probably the most devastating contact runner I ever saw play), Cincinnati seemed to plow us with unstoppable fullbacks every time we played them for years, and I was gleeful when we gave them a taste of their own medicine that year, with Kinnebrew wearing them down and roughing them up to soften them up for Thurman. Kelly only had 15 pass attempts that day as we finally had their number, 24-7.
EThe idea that we'd carry two exclusively blocking fullbacks is pretty silly. I assume Conner is insurance if Felton is injured, otherwise this offense is going to be seriously retro.
I'm still hopeful they won't be exclusive blockers and get some carrries, otherwise they may as well use Cyril Richardson as a fullback. For that matter, I'm still not sure why teams don't just use offensive linemen-in-training as fullbacks instead of leaving them on the pines to watch.
Not really sure how any of that justifies why we shouldn't carry a 2nd FB. If the offense calls for it, then what is the issue exactly? The rest of the NFL isn't doing it? That's not really convincing.
A dedicated blocking fullback is fine (although I do take issue with the contract we gave Felton). Two dedicated blocking fullbacks is ridiculous. Any offense that requires a fullback on the field that much is sacrificing a ton of flexibility for power, especially since it requires subbing out one of our better weapons (either Harvin or Clay). I can get behind it as a tactic, not as a strategy.
Also Larry Dean signed with Tampa this offseason, we don't have him anymore. Kinda speaks to my point about we don't have a roster so packed with talent we can't afford a roster spot to a 2nd FB.
No, it just further emphasizes how aggressively we've spent on the offense this season. Unless one of these guys like Conner or Easley or Goodwin is going to take some defensive snaps, we're still going to have a need for players like Dean.
Let's say we go with 8 linemen and 2 QBs. Which 14-15 skill position guys are we taking on that offensive roster? Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Clay, O'Leary, Felton, McCoy, and Jackson all seem like locks at this point.
ESPN.com senior NFL writer Len Pasquarelli looks closer at the fullback position in his most recent piece, and notes that it is making a comeback of sorts.
nd in 35 snaps over the course of the year, the team had center/guard Dan Connolly as a lead-blocking fullback in more of a short-yardage power package.
A dedicated blocking fullback is fine (although I do take issue with the contract we gave Felton). Two dedicated blocking fullbacks is ridiculous. Any offense that requires a fullback on the field that much is sacrificing a ton of flexibility for power, especially since it requires subbing out one of our better weapons (either Harvin or Clay). I can get behind it as a tactic, not as a strategy.
When has Harvin ever proved himself to be a consistent weapon as to classify him as one of our better weapons? I'm not really worried about trying to outscheme guys at this point, we've seen how those results go when we can't move the defense off the ball at all. Also let's not loop Felton and Conner in the same category. Felton is a versatile runner who can take the ball out of the backfield as well. He was the primary ball carrier in a very good Furman triple option offense in the SOCON when in school. So I don't agree with the idea that we sacrifice versatility simply because the guy plays FB. He hasn't been utilized much as a ball carrier in the NFL (46 carries, 163 yards, 3.5 ypc) but he does have the ability to be a guy who can take the ball to surprise the D. Conner is a straight kick the snot out of you blocker. I'm not a fan of Felton's contract either FWIW.
No, it just further emphasizes how aggressively we've spent on the offense this season. Unless one of these guys like Conner or Easley or Goodwin is going to take some defensive snaps, we're still going to have a need for players like Dean.
Well the offense was basically pure crap last year so they needed to spend some money. Plus the scheme almost entirely changed. I don't think Goodwin even makes the team at this point. So we can give his roster spot to Conner and still add a LB who nobody will remember come next offseason.
Let's say we go with 8 linemen and 2 QBs. Which 14-15 skill position guys are we taking on that offensive roster? Watkins, Woods, Harvin, Clay, O'Leary, Felton, McCoy, and Jackson all seem like locks at this point.
I really find it honestly ridiculous it isn't common sense. With the speed and power of even development linemen coming out of college nowadays, unless you're going to use a fullback more artfully there's no point to hiring an undersized lineman who is not a lineman to be one, and the standard fb is probably shorter for catching the odd dump off than the average say developmental tackle, with less power and blocking ability no matter how good he is at it.
To me if you're just going to use the guy to block, why not hire a blocker with more muscle and height and career blocking experience so you have 6 effective linemen instead of 5 1/2.
H-back I can understand as a weapon to run or catch while blocking.
Well Felton ran a 4.6 40, and Richardson ran a 5.4, but Richardson is 6'5" 329 and Felton is 6' 248 and they aren't running a 40, which one makes a better "fullback".
I dunno, leads me to hope we use them as more than blockers, anyway.
When has Harvin ever proved himself to be a consistent weapon as to classify him as one of our better weapons? I'm not really worried about trying to outscheme guys at this point, we've seen how those results go when we can't move the defense off the ball at all. Also let's not loop Felton and Conner in the same category. Felton is a versatile runner who can take the ball out of the backfield as well. He was the primary ball carrier in a very good Furman triple option offense in the SOCON when in school. So I don't agree with the idea that we sacrifice versatility simply because the guy plays FB. He hasn't been utilized much as a ball carrier in the NFL (46 carries, 163 yards, 3.5 ypc) but he does have the ability to be a guy who can take the ball to surprise the D. Conner is a straight kick the snot out of you blocker. I'm not a fan of Felton's contract either FWIW.
Well the offense was basically pure crap last year so they needed to spend some money. Plus the scheme almost entirely changed. I don't think Goodwin even makes the team at this point. So we can give his roster spot to Conner and still add a LB who nobody will remember come next offseason.
There is your 15. If you're going to ask for 14, likely Lewis gets cut and added to the PS.
You think that they will cut Dixon, Brown, and/or Goodwin to make room for 2 fullbacks?
The league was not exactly beating down Connor's door to sign him. It is highly likely that he would be available later on in the season if he were to be cut. And, it is highly likely that Clay will get some snaps out of the backfield as well.
I just don't see Connor as more than pre-season insurance.
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You think that they will cut Dixon, Brown, and/or Goodwin to make room for 2 fullbacks?
The league was not exactly beating down Connor's door to sign him. It is highly likely that he would be available later on in the season if he were to be cut. And, it is highly likely that Clay will get some snaps out of the backfield as well.
I just don't see Connor as more than pre-season insurance.
I think they could cut Goodwin, Brown, and Dixon to make room for anybody. None of them are guaranteed roster spots at this point.
That's true about Conner but keep in mind he's a Rex Ryan guy. I think Clay gets snaps as will O'Leary and Gray. I think you'll see us use a number of different formations/alignments with our RB, FB, and TE's this year. I imagine that's how Roman will try and keep us versatile. It would not surprise me, if both FB's make the roster, To see them even incorporate a couple of Maryland I, Wishbone, Flexbone, and Wing T formations.
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Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!
I imagine that's how Roman will try and keep us versatile. It would not surprise me, if both FB's make the roster, To see them even incorporate a couple of Maryland I, Wishbone, Flexbone, and Wing T formations.
Oh I hope not. Kiss of Doom. Even wing-T Levy handed the keys to Marchibroda after destroying himself in KC with those. Have to draw a line somewhere.
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