Not a big fan of starting Tyrod

[trapezeus]

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Probably EJ. Not because I'm an EJ lover; I'm not. But because he showed us he can throw TD's and pass downfield. Is he great? Not even close. But he at least showed progress.

I honestly have no data to pull from with Tyrod. I dont know if defenses will respect our passing game. My guess is that they will send heavy pressure and stack the box. And Tyrod hasn't shown me that he can throw his way to a win.

You can't run the ball every single game. Not going to happen. We have to be able to throw to wins sometimes. I just haven't seen that from Tyrod.

tyrod has a small sample size. of that, he has converted a lot of third downs. something few bills offenses hvae done with consistency the last 10 years or so.

i'm not sure what more tyrod can do to make you feel like he can open the middle of the intermediate range given his body of work.

obviously, regular season is different than preseason, but you can only make decisions off of the information you have.

[TacklingDummy]

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I understand what you're saying, but this is what they intended to do in Hiring Ryan/Roman, getting Incognito, drafting Miller, signing Felton and trading for McCoy, adding Mulligan, drafting Karlos Williams and Ryan saying we're going to run 50 times a game if we can.

It's a passing league. Lets run the ball 50 times a game. Makes perfect sense unless you are down by 10.

[Bill Cody]

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If you're going to give Tierod the job he needs a fair amount of rope to make some mistakes and yes lose some games. Because guess what he's going to need it, he's basically a rookie. My feeling is he gets until after week 7. If it isn't working by then, you go to the bullpen. For me that would be Manuel.

[justasportsfan]

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No one knows if he's the next Kurt Warner , Rob Johnson or the next Flutie in terms of bringing in a back-up from another team . No one can tell since he's been behind Flacco all these years.

[Victor7]

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I'm not the biggest Taylor fan either but I think he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt with his performance in the preseason. Sure it was preseason and we've had QB's tear it up before there only to fail miserably when the real thing starts (Trent). But hey, the preseason and training camp is all we have right now to evaluate these guys.
I'm optimistic but with measure. For all I know Taylor is a rookie in terms of regular season and could go out there and suck big time. But at least I dont' feel as down as I felt last year when EJ was the starter. You just knew that was going nowhere. Whatever happens I'm sure Taylor's leash won't be that long. If the rumors are true that Roman wanted Cassel he'll push hard to replace Taylor if he struggles.

[Night Train]

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Can't wait for the opener.

They chose the right guy and this team has talent.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

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On the one hand I am not overly impressed by any of the lumps of crap this team is calling a QB. On the other hand, Taylor earned this shot and honestly, and I know how very little weight we should place on the preseason but my QB rotation is Taylor, Manuel, and Simms. Trade Cassel, get a future draft pick and give Taylor his chance. I liked his pocket presence and accuracy. If he can command long scoring drives that eat lots of clock and we are able to punch it in for 6 every now and again and he doesn't screw up too much then I think we can do surprisingly well.

[The Jokeman]

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You think his body of work or lack thereof is enough to know what kind of qb he is?

Trentative Edwards or Rob Johnson weren't dink and dunk qbs after even after 10 games. That's more experience than what Tyrod has and yet no one knew what kind of qbs they'd turn out to be after 10 games. EJ was a scared qb last year who looked like he was on the way to being the next trent/Robosack and didn't look it this year.

My point is that there isn't enough data to know that Tyrod will dink and dunk or be a gunslinger.

Prior to this preseason Tyrod's stats were uninspiring both in the pre and regular season. Maybe he finally put it together but I'm reserved as he played against backups throughout the preseason and showed some struggles inside the redzone as a passer, didn't hit any of his long passes and don't remember many over the middle throws. All things most shorter QBs deal with. Yet I will applaud him for his ability to dink and dunk. He earned the start but if he struggles early I don't keep him in there long term especially since our first 2 games are against Conference opponents and then our 3rd game is a division game against Miami. So our playoff hopes could be down the tube with a slow start by Tyrod.

[The Jokeman]

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On the one hand I am not overly impressed by any of the lumps of crap this team is calling a QB. On the other hand, Taylor earned this shot and honestly, and I know how very little weight we should place on the preseason but my QB rotation is Taylor, Manuel, and Simms. Trade Cassel, get a future draft pick and give Taylor his chance. I liked his pocket presence and accuracy. If he can command long scoring drives that eat lots of clock and we are able to punch it in for 6 every now and again and he doesn't screw up too much then I think we can do surprisingly well.

Even as one of the bigger EJ supportes I can't embrace this. If the Bills are truly playing for the playoffs this year moving Cassel makes no sense. As Tyrod is a complete X factor, Manuel is questionable play and Simms is not an NFL QB. At least Cassel is this, yes he's a below average starter but he's an above average backup.

[The Jokeman]

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You can't keep a backup QB after his rookie contract is up, so your "said team not really interested in keeping him" is total nonsense. Denver & the Bills both wanted Tyrod.
For the record, HOFers Brett Favre & Steve Young were backups acquired from another team. Drew Brees was a UFA who went from SD to NO, as did Peyton Manning from Ind to Den. Jim Plunkett went from the scrap heap to Super Bowl winning QB, and Kurt Warner bounced around before & after winning the Super Bowl & led Arizona to another one & just missed winning it. Had enough, or do I need to add Doug Williams coming off the bench & leading Washington to a championship.

The Broncos wanted Tyrod as a backup behind Manning, totally difference situation. Tyrod said it so much himself the only reason he came here vs Denver was the chance to start. Now he's going to get his chance, if he falters that he was what he was in Baltimore a backup/never was. Also every player you mentioned except for Warner were drafted to be starters, Tyrod was a shot/gamble 6th Rounder. It's ironic but the debate you propose is a model for a team to take a chance on EJ too.

[Cleve]

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None?

Yet how many times have the Bills tried it? Holcolmb, Nall, T. Jackson, Kolb, etc, etc, etc.... OBD never learns.

Russ Brandon is still the common thread to all this craptastic QBing.

The Bills keep thinking they can achieve success their own way - and ignore proven models for success that most other teams use; ie, get a FRANCHISE QB, not some scrub. You can't take a journeyman back up QB and anoint him the starter, ala Fitzpatrick, and think you'll get very far in the playoffs, if at all.

This team is STILL paying for the failures of the Brandon/Nix/Gailey/Levy Era.

And yeah, Brandon was an integral part in shaping many, many years of on-field failure for this team. To me, it's just amazing that he still has a job with the organization. The Bills never fail to over-achieve - at disappointing.

[Cleve]

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Rob Johnson? Drew Bledsoe?

Exactly. LOL

[Cleve]

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You can't keep a backup QB after his rookie contract is up, so your "said team not really interested in keeping him" is total nonsense. Denver & the Bills both wanted Tyrod.
For the record, HOFers Brett Favre & Steve Young were backups acquired from another team. Drew Brees was a UFA who went from SD to NO, as did Peyton Manning from Ind to Den. Jim Plunkett went from the scrap heap to Super Bowl winning QB, and Kurt Warner bounced around before & after winning the Super Bowl & led Arizona to another one & just missed winning it. Had enough, or do I need to add Doug Williams coming off the bench & leading Washington to a championship.

LOL. Manning was a 1st Round Draft Pick by Indy, and passed for 3700 yds in his ROOKIE season.


I think when Denver aquired him, he was something of a proven commodity to say the least.

Steve Young was a backup to Joe Montana -he was a known commodity to San Fran when they started him. They didn't pull him from the Bucs and start him immediately. They developed him under Montana.

Tyrod Taylor has spent FOUR years with Baltimore - and has accumulated only 120 yds, and 2 interceptions.

Cream rises to the top; My opinion is THIS - IF Taylor could do something, he would have by now. He's spent 4 years in the league.

[The Jokeman]

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LOL. Manning was a 1st Round Draft Pick by Indy, and passed for 3700 yds in his ROOKIE season.


I think when Denver aquired him, he was something of a proven commodity to say the least.

Steve Young was a backup to Joe Montana -he was a known commodity to San Fran when they started him. They didn't pull him from the Bucs and start him immediately. They developed him under Montana.

Tyrod Taylor has spent FOUR years with Baltimore - and has accumulated only 120 yds, and 2 interceptions.

Cream rises to the top; My opinion is THIS - IF Taylor could do something, he would have by now. He's spent 4 years in the league.

Tyrod is RJ part 2 except RJ had more excitement behind him because he was a more "proven QB". I'm holding my breath but all things considered I think EJ is the best QB we have.

[feldspar]

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LOL. Manning was a 1st Round Draft Pick by Indy, and passed for 3700 yds in his ROOKIE season.


I think when Denver aquired him, he was something of a proven commodity to say the least.

Steve Young was a backup to Joe Montana -he was a known commodity to San Fran when they started him. They didn't pull him from the Bucs and start him immediately. They developed him under Montana.

Tyrod Taylor has spent FOUR years with Baltimore - and has accumulated only 120 yds, and 2 interceptions.

Cream rises to the top; My opinion is THIS - IF Taylor could do something, he would have by now. He's spent 4 years in the league.

Not really. Apparently, the Ravens weren't even willing to trade him. Dunno what the price offered was.

The other scenarios you mentioned aren't close to the same thing here.

Taylor was behind Flacco and had zero chance of starting or even playing in relevant moments in his four years in Baltimore. This should be no knock on him, or something to hold against his potential in any way. No QB was ever going to be in a position to step in front of what the Ravens have done these past four years.

The thing that should be said is that it's probably now or never for Taylor. He's had his learning time, although he probably needs to learn on the field more. He didn't have a chance to prove himself as the starter until now. We'll see what happens. At least it's interesting to most fans.