The thing about Tyrod.....

[BillsImpossible]

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First, Indy is not the same team they were last year.

Second, I said something positive and mostly agreed with you and you still took a shot at me? Come on.

Don't take it personal, OpIv37.

We can bust each others chops, but never take it personal.

When talking about football gets personal, that's when the party usually ends.

Talk about the game, not each other.

This IPA has me going Gandhi.

[BillsImpossible]

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74.4% completion percentage for Tyrod Taylor after 3 games.

That's including the game against the Dark Empire.

It's getting better all the time, better, better, better.

[BidsJr]

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First, Indy is not the same team they were last year.

Second, I said something positive and mostly agreed with you and you still took a shot at me? Come on.

Sorry I must have been subconsciously responding to something else you posted.

[notacon]

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Pretty accurate but I will say that Joe Ferguson wasn't a bad QB, not great, but he wasn't a "failure".

I remember Joe fondly. No, he wasn't "bad", but not "good" either. You may notice that I did say "...varying degrees of "failure" for over a HALF A CENTURY!"

When Joe was QB, we had the best running game and offensive line in football....maybe in history at that point. The game was different, and did not need a stellar passing QB to win. We still did not "win" with Joe.

Those were the years of Terry Bradshaw and Fran Tarkenton and Roger Starbach and Jim Plunkett. Joe could not hold a candle to those guys.

[Jimkelly12203]

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It also helps that we finally have a real coaching staff. It's been a while for the Bills since the team has gone out with a great game plan on both sides of the ball. People know what their jobs are and they seem to have a real purpose. In the past we've always had one unit or the other that is flat out embarrassing. And I think a lot of it is beyond Xs and Os. Some people are just good teachers and leaders. You can be the smartest football mind in the world and if you can't communicate with people and motivate them you're going to suck. These coaches do not suck.

[mightysimi]

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Oh...Tyrod was rated #1 in Total QBR for week 3.

That is really impressive!!!

Until Rodgers played last night.

[gebobs]

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Well....I think you are underestimating the amount of time the Bills have had "perpetual failure" at the QB position. Except for Jim Kelly and Jack Kemp

I'd even argue against Kemp. He was a leader, for sure, but he was not a very good passer. The Bills won those championships on the backs of the defense and a ball-control ground game. When Kemp dropped back to pass, it was nearly as likely to land in an opponent's arms as it was a Bills receiver's. In an 8-team league, the best QBR he had was 5th. In 1964, a championship year, his rating was 9th. Oakland had two QBs with better QBRs.

As for QB's, the franchise has Kelly and everyone else is a distant second, barely worth mentioning.

[yordad]

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Last time that happened for the Bills ?? Never ? 1991 ?

It was the highest QBR rating for a single game for a Bills QB EVER.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/10-things-that-shocked-us-about-week-3/ss-AAeUUTB?ocid=mailsignout#image=8

[starrymessenger]

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Tyrod is facing a major learning curve and he will have his ups and downs. His execution also needs refinement, not surprisingly since live action is really the only way to hone those skills and he has had precious little of that. It very much looks like he has what it takes to start negotiating those hurdles so it's entirely reasonable to expect continuing improvement from him.
While his physical ability has been on display I'm not sure his intangibles have been mentioned enuf because they are an important part of the chemistry with all of his teammates that he is building. He is quietly taking a major role in forging the team's identity and confidence, without which no team can survive the challenges of a long season in an extremely arduous and competitive environment. He's smart that way. He says his job is to take command of the huddle but he leaves the lockerroom leadership to the vets.
The character issues some players have get a lot of attention but it's worth mentioning that many of the young men who come into the league are quality individuals who really have it together as far as their headspace is concerned. Taylor is one of those. Mature beyond his 26 years. That's an indispensable asset if you aspire to being a top shelf NFL QB.

[stuckincincy]

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Tyrod is facing a major learning curve and he will have his ups and downs. His execution also needs refinement, not surprisingly since live action is really the only way to hone those skills and he has had precious little of that. It very much looks like he has what it takes to start negotiating those hurdles so it's entirely reasonable to expect continuing improvement from him.
While his physical ability has been on display I'm not sure his intangibles have been mentioned enuf because they are an important part of the chemistry with all of his teammates that he is building. He is quietly taking a major role in forging the team's identity and confidence, without which no team can survive the challenges of a long season in an extremely arduous and competitive environment. He's smart that way. He says his job is to take command of the huddle but he leaves the lockerroom leadership to the vets.
The character issues some players have get a lot of attention but it's worth mentioning that many of the young men who come into the league are quality individuals who really have it together as far as their headspace is concerned. Taylor is one of those. Mature beyond his 26 years. That's an indispensable asset if you aspire to being a top shelf NFL QB.

It will be interesting to see him vs. CIN.

Taylor will face a deep and capable CIN DL that in their first 3 games has been showing strong DT interior pressure...Atkins has returned to form. Their DEs have generally been setting the edge and getting into the backfield. CIN has been able to rotate fresh DL legs into the game, so far.

LB play has been fair - Burfict is gone on one of those PUP-whatever things and likely won't play this year - if ever again.

The CIN db corps have been playing fairly well. Red flags for CIN is that safety Iloka has some nagging injury issues, and S Reggie Nelson looks to be hitting *the* wall.

So...it should shape up as a good test for Taylor - subject of course to important injuries coming into the contest and how the flags fly for both clubs.

[Albany,n.y.]

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It also helps that we finally have a real coaching staff. It's been a while for the Bills since the team has gone out with a great game plan on both sides of the ball. People know what their jobs are and they seem to have a real purpose. In the past we've always had one unit or the other that is flat out embarrassing. And I think a lot of it is beyond Xs and Os. Some people are just good teachers and leaders. You can be the smartest football mind in the world and if you can't communicate with people and motivate them you're going to suck. These coaches do not suck.

I think that has a lot to do with ownership. Ralph was a great man, but when anyone mentioned paying coaches, head and assistants, Ralph ran for the crazy glue & sealed up his wallet. Owners need to be willing to shell out big bucks for head coaches & assistants. Ralph just didn't believe in that. That's how we ended up with the coaches that have preceded Rex since our last playoff game along with a slew of under-qualified assistants.
No matter what anyone thought of him when he signed, Rex knows guys around the NFL. That's how he was able to bring in Roman and it was through his connections from his Baltimore days that he had heard about Tyrod. It started with him talking with Cam Cameron years ago. No Rex, no Tyrod.

[starrymessenger]

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It will be interesting to see him vs. CIN.

Taylor will face a deep and capable CIN DL that in their first 3 games has been showing strong DT interior pressure...Atkins has returned to form. Their DEs have generally been setting the edge and getting into the backfield. CIN has been able to rotate fresh DL legs into the game, so far.

LB play has been fair - Burfict is gone on one of those PUP-whatever things and likely won't play this year - if ever again.

The CIN db corps have been playing fairly well. Red flags for CIN is that safety Iloka has some nagging injury issues, and S Reggie Nelson looks to be hitting *the* wall.

So...it should shape up as a good test for Taylor - subject of course to important injuries coming into the contest and how the flags fly for both clubs.

Agree Bengal D will be a big test for Taylor. Their team overall looks to me to be a lot better than last year. They've gotten some very good players back from injury on both sides of the ball and tho it's early Dalton seems to be taking that "next step".

[trapezeus]

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he doesn't doubt himself. that's the difference between ej and tyrod. not taking into account the EJ bashers who will take offense that there are any similarities to their game, what i think EJ does that makes him so inconsistent is that he hesitates. once he's out of the pocket, he doesn't know if he wants to run or pass. and he ends up with a hurried decision and a terrible pass or missed his chance to get yards. in his first season, before the cleveland game injury, he was showing some confidence and it looked like it was coming. but last year and early this preseason, it was the same timid play.

TT doesn't have that timidness. he knows he wants to throw first and keeps scanning until he fully bails. once he knows he's running, he doesn't question it. the only time he looked a little unsure was at the end of the patriots game and with his last throw that got picked off.

I also agree that it's way too early to know what kind of QB we are going to have 2 months from now. but at least we are all upbeat about it. and he seems like a good guy that you want to root for. trent and jp were the last of the guys who were a little too thickheaded that it was easy to turn on them. even fitzy was fun.

[gebobs]

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Please don't turn into another Trent Edwards.

There. I said it. Sorry.

[stuckincincy]

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Agree Bengal D will be a big test for Taylor. Their team overall looks to me to be a lot better than last year. They've gotten some very good players back from injury on both sides of the ball and tho it's early Dalton seems to be taking that "next step".

It will be an interesting test for the BUF D, too. The CIN OL is playing well enough - 2nd year C Bodine likely presents the best opportunity for Dareus to exploit. Look for Kevin Williams to suffer some payback, btw.

BUF is cautioned against man coverage on CIN's receiver mix - Dalton sees when db backs are turned and he will juke for yardage.

Look for CIN (version 2015) to keep running Hill between the tackles as well as Bernard. The CIN tackles Whitworth and Smith have been angling in on runs I don't know what the numbers are, but my impression is CIN is using their run game to try to insure that 3rd down is a yardage that allows for a short pick-up or a pass bomb.

BUF really needs to keep a sharp eye on Marvin Jones - speed enough, hands, moves. He's the perfect compliment to AJ Green.

Dalton tosses the ball high, usually. His picks are generally of the "off-the-fingertips-of-the-reciever" type. It can pay off with an int if you have a db follow behind a CIN pass pattern. The risk in moving personnel for that possibility is that their plod run games works. 3rd year Bernard and 2nd year Hill move the sticks.