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Will Cardale Jones Outperform EJ Manual In Training Camp?
I know a lot of people who are Ohio State fans. None of them think much of Jones as QB. However, when I talk to a buddy who works for a local agency, he has a different perspective. Basically most, if not all current college QBs are on skill sets not directly translate-able to NFL QBs. So it is a projection. Jones is not really a QB running Meyer type of offense. Hence his early status in OSU and the up and downs since then. There are quite a lot of people agree that he might be better suited to play under the center like in NFL but never afforded a chance to in college. It could be a long road to develop and most NFL coaches and front office don't have that kind of time like they used to have to develop him. Aaron Rogers was that close to hit FA with Favre in front of him and he righted himself in basically one and half years sitting on the bench (a HOF developing pace). What if Jones takes 3 years? Then he's on the crusp of FA and the drafting team must base very limited sample size to decide whether to put down big investment.
Bottom line, in his opinion, teams don't have the QBs (like Jones) best interest in mind. they would rather throw the players out early to sink or swim. If they survive, throw money at them. If they sink, draft the next one.
It's more a case that most teams are desperate for better QB play. And roster spots are precious. With a QB, you want to see progress in practice whether they're playing or sitting in games. Every throw is recorded. At some point you have an idea whether the guy has a chance for the light to come on. But if the guy is too big a project he may run out of time, life in the NFL. Ask EJ.
Re: Will Cardale Jones Outperform EJ Manual In Training Camp?
Sign of the times. For nearly the entire history of the franchise, with the exception of a few years that Jim Harris rode pine in favor of the bum Dennis Shaw, the Bills quarterback corps has been lily white. Now we have three black quarterbacks. Add Josh Johnson and there's a minstrel quartet. *ducks*
Re: Will Cardale Jones Outperform EJ Manual In Training Camp?
In the bills scenario, they have a back up qb who is more expensive cut than stays. so ej is on this team. we have already *****ed about this last year. he won't be the following year. so the bills will have a need for a back up regardless. if TT flames out on a sophomore slump, is figured out, or really not good enough to justify the pay day, we need a 1st string qb. To me, if TT failsor is injured, the bills will fail in a big way. like top 5 pick next season. Soisn't better to have guy developing in jones regardless?The team will need a starter or back up next year. he's a cheap player and has more potential than going journeyman route.
Re: Will Cardale Jones Outperform EJ Manual In Training Camp?
one more point of the journeyman: this route has consistently failed the bills because we draft a guy, rush him to play, then get disgusted and let the journeyman play. he invariably gets us close to .500 and we are frustrated that we weren't bad enough to get a good QB in the draft and weren't good enough to be relevant. we are in a better position, regardless of your take on jones, because it does set us up for a chance for TT to excel or be in a position to draft high and get the best qb in a class.
Sign of the times. For nearly the entire history of the franchise, with the exception of a few years that Jim Harris rode pine in favor of the bum Dennis Shaw, the Bills quarterback corps has been lily white. Now we have three black quarterbacks. Add Josh Johnson and there's a minstrel quartet. *ducks*
How dare you ignore the legend of Willie Totten!!!!!!
As someone who watches every Buckeye game, the guy needs reps. Very raw.
Giving more than 1 quarter to Manuel during the pre-season is a waste. He's soon to be gone.
Let Jones work through his inexperience in games that don't count. Give him 2 quarters most every pre-season game.
He may turn out to be a better option, if Taylor goes down.... Doesn't have to do much to be a better option than Manuel...that's for sure.
Disagree. Much rather have Manuel be ready to go if needed. Jones is very likely a wasted pick but any preseason time he gets should be in garbage time. People don't want to hear this but Manuel is on the exact kind of curve Jones would be on. Both were projects. You might actually be close to finally getting a dividend, even if it's one or two wins, out of Manuel. It completely escapes me why Jones is a better option to win games now. He isn't. You throw out one horrific quarter last year from Manuel against Jacksonville and he was a decent backup. He may well be a better backup this year based on a slow and steady progression for a guy that was a project. A 1st round project but a project. He's done after this year? Ok. So we should miss out on the playoffs for the hundredth straight year so we can give extra time to Busty Jones? Nope.
Disagree. Much rather have Manuel be ready to go if needed. Jones is very likely a wasted pick but any preseason time he gets should be in garbage time. People don't want to hear this but Manuel is on the exact kind of curve Jones would be on. Both were projects. You might actually be close to finally getting a dividend, even if it's one or two wins, out of Manuel. It completely escapes me why Jones is a better option to win games now. He isn't. You throw out one horrific quarter last year from Manuel against Jacksonville and he was a decent backup. He may well be a better backup this year based on a slow and steady progression for a guy that was a project. A 1st round project but a project. He's done after this year? Ok. So we should miss out on the playoffs for the hundredth straight year so we can give extra time to Busty Jones? Nope.
I have a feeling Tyrod gets hurt in the first half of the season and Manuel comes in to lead the Bills to the playoffs. Go ahead, call me crazy.
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