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  • DraftBoy
    Administrator
    • Jul 2002
    • 107452

    #31
    Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

    Originally posted by YardRat View Post
    No, it pretty much renders your statement meaningless. It's ridiculous to minimize what training and experience these kids have leading up to the step up. Draft position may become moot as soon as the pads are put on for the first time, but the resume' is still relevant.
    Florida ran zone cover concepts, I don’t know how anybody who watched a single drive of Florida football could ever disagree with that. They were man heavy but ran plenty of zone too. It’s a significant part of Grantham’s 3-4 1-Gap system because he likes to zone blitz out of it. Elam got to play more on an island than any other CB at UF in the scheme but it’s not like he never practiced or played in the concept of zone coverage.
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    • YardRat
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      • Dec 2004
      • 86169

      #32
      Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

      Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
      Florida ran zone cover concepts, I don’t know how anybody who watched a single drive of Florida football could ever disagree with that. They were man heavy but ran plenty of zone too. It’s a significant part of Grantham’s 3-4 1-Gap system because he likes to zone blitz out of it. Elam got to play more on an island than any other CB at UF in the scheme but it’s not like he never practiced or played in the concept of zone coverage.
      Zone blitz concepts have absolutely zero to do with shell coverages, you know this. Even on the infrequent occasions where Florida might have run zone shells, Elam was mostly still in man while the rest of the secondary played zone. That is completely different than actually playing in zone, the shades, leverages etc are still completely different. You know this also.
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      • DraftBoy
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        • Jul 2002
        • 107452

        #33
        Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

        Originally posted by YardRat View Post
        Zone blitz concepts have absolutely zero to do with shell coverages, you know this. Even on the infrequent occasions where Florida might have run zone shells, Elam was mostly still in man while the rest of the secondary played zone. That is completely different than actually playing in zone, the shades, leverages etc are still completely different. You know this also.
        That’s not an accurate statement you start with. The rest is just speculation without data.
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        Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
        We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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        • Goobylal
          Registered User
          • Jan 2004
          • 19367

          #34
          Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

          Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
          That’s not an accurate statement you start with. The rest is just speculation without data.
          And yours isn't? You're saying that Leslie Frazier is lying and you know the real truth?

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          • Oaf
            Do you read what you write?
            • Jun 2007
            • 6151

            #35
            Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

            Originally posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
            It's all relative. It didn't matter because it was a blowout. He is said to "play well" in the Ravens game because Lamar does not throw to outside in general. To imply that opposition QBs afraid of throwing to Elam's direction because he's play well is just ... I rest my case. BTW, Sunday was Pickett, rookie QB on his first NFL game .
            Elam is a bit soft so far. At least he also hasn't given up any major busts. Hopefully his prep translate to play soon.

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            • DraftBoy
              Administrator
              • Jul 2002
              • 107452

              #36
              Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

              Originally posted by Goobylal View Post
              And yours isn't? You're saying that Leslie Frazier is lying and you know the real truth?
              Is that what I said? Or is that what you choose to infer?
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              Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
              We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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              • Goobylal
                Registered User
                • Jan 2004
                • 19367

                #37
                Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

                Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
                Is that what I said? Or is that what you choose to infer?
                Just a few posts up you called Frazier a liar. Did you not?

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                • DraftBoy
                  Administrator
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 107452

                  #38
                  Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

                  Originally posted by Goobylal View Post
                  Just a few posts up you called Frazier a liar. Did you not?
                  Nope. Just called out coach speak to media.

                  If you think that’s lying then you probably have a point, but it’s not something worth getting into.
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                  Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                  We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                  • YardRat
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                    • Dec 2004
                    • 86169

                    #39
                    Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

                    Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
                    That’s not an accurate statement you start with. The rest is just speculation without data.
                    Of course it is accurate.

                    I'm sorry, I missed the data you presented to support the premise that Elam played zone coverage at Florida, which # post was it again?
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                    • Night Train
                      Retired - On Several Levels
                      • Jul 2005
                      • 33117

                      #40
                      Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

                      Regardless, rookie CB's get targeted.

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                      • notacon
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2012
                        • 33003

                        #41
                        Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

                        Jesus. The Bills team passing defense is ranked #4 at 182.6 yards per game allowed.

                        Behind only:

                        Denver - 176.6
                        Green Bay - 177.0
                        San Fran - 177.8

                        And that is against some very good QB’s....Stafford, Tannehill, Jackson & Tua (who the game before Buffalo passed for 461 yards...against the Bills he was limited to about a third of that....only 171 yards).


                        Along the way, they are missing both of their starting safeties for two of those games. One starting CB for two games (Dane Jackson) and the other rookie (Bedford) who’s started the year at the #2 CB spot.

                        And all season, missing their All Pro CB in Tre’ White.

                        What are you guys arguing about????

                        By ANY measure, the Bills secondary (and defense overall) is doing a fantastic job.

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                        • ghz in pittsburgh
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5861

                          #42
                          Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

                          Regardless, you know what Andy Reed and Mahomes are thinking when they look over the Steelers game tape and plan their attack.

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                          • Goobylal
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 19367

                            #43
                            Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

                            Originally posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
                            Regardless, you know what Andy Reed and Mahomes are thinking when they look over the Steelers game tape and plan their attack.
                            Likewise the Bills will look at what the Colts did to them.

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                            • Woodman
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                              • Apr 2014
                              • 65944

                              #44
                              Re: Opposing passers avoiding Bills rookie Kaiir Elam

                              This week should be interesting ..... let's see if we can get a few big plays from the rookies.

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