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  • Cntrygal
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    • Jul 2002
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    #76
    Re: Von Miller out for year

    Originally posted by notacon
    The biggest thing we learned from the Bills is that they are a resilient bunch and did what they had to do to win instead of past years where they fold like a cheap lawn chair.

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    • Typ0
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      • Jul 2002
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      #77
      Re: Von Miller out for year

      Originally posted by Mace View Post
      I hate to say it, but you can't bank on a 33 year old FA taking you over the top in the 6th year of a program when you could have gone to a Super Bowl the previous year without him. I'm really sorry he's injured, look forward to having him back, but stuffing the roster with more theoretical talent just won't make up for the fact coaching needs to step up. They're trying to stuff more talent to make up for the coaching, imho, and that's inherently perilous with older fa's.
      I like the mentality Von Miller has brought to the team and think we will benefit from this while he rehabs. So it's not just an old guy they are counting on ...

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      • Forward_Lateral
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        • Mar 2004
        • 29895

        #78
        Re: Von Miller out for year

        Originally posted by ParanoidAndroid View Post
        A complete tear would show up immediately with manual testing on the field. A significant but incomplete tear is normally easy to spot on imagery, like spotting one kid in a class of 30 if she's the only one raising her hand. This would clearly be a partial that was small enough to hide from an MRI. Anything more than a 10% tear is a no-go for a pro football player, especially if there is meniscus involvement. It creates an instability that puts the player at significant risk of a complete "terrible triad" injury. That would likely end Von's career as we know it.
        How do they "repair" it vs the usual drilling and screwing and replacing the entire ACL?

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        • kgun12
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          • Jul 2002
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          #79
          Re: Von Miller out for year

          Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
          Well, going by what Beane said "The doctor felt like it wasn't going to hold, and he needed to repair" sounds a bit more optimistic than an ACL tear. It sounds like wasn't actually completely torn?

          I have no idea if that makes a difference in recovery or whatever, or if they actually replaced the ACL like they normally do, or if they did something else?
          This is what I said on page one of the thread:

          “ My son tore his PCL but it wasn’t completely torn. My understanding of repairing ACL, PCL or MCL’s is it’s still attach it will heal up. It was toward the end of the season so he was done. It took 8-10 weeks to heal. I guessing Von should be good to go for the start of the season?”
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          • kgun12
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            • Jul 2002
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            #80
            Re: Von Miller out for year

            Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
            How do they "repair" it vs the usual drilling and screwing and replacing the entire ACL?
            No. When a ligament is completely torn the nerve endings die almost immediately and are unrepairable. If not completely torn you can sow them back together. No need for screws or drilling because it’s the original ligament.

            I have a lot of experience with knees, between 2 sons, and myself, 4 completely torn ACL, 1 partially torn PCL and MCL.
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            • Woodman
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              • Apr 2014
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              #81
              Re: Von Miller out for year

              Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
              This is what I said on page one of the thread:

              “ My son tore his PCL but it wasn’t completely torn. My understanding of repairing ACL, PCL or MCL’s is it’s still attach it will heal up. It was toward the end of the season so he was done. It took 8-10 weeks to heal. I guessing Von should be good to go for the start of the season?”
              The most optimistic I heard was ready to play for the majority of the season.

              Good enough for me.

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              • notacon
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                • Aug 2012
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                #82
                Re: Von Miller out for year

                Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
                I’m not a fan of turf but Forward said, he got rolled up on.

                BTW, as you know my son tore his ACL 4 times. Two were on turf, two were on grass. Incidentally the first two were one each.
                I’m curious. I assume your son is not that old. If he has suffered 4 ACL tears, isn’t that a pretty strong message to not play football???

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                • Forward_Lateral
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                  • Mar 2004
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                  #83
                  Re: Von Miller out for year

                  Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
                  No. When a ligament is completely torn the nerve endings die almost immediately and are unrepairable. If not completely torn you can sow them back together. No need for screws or drilling because it’s the original ligament.

                  I have a lot of experience with knees, between 2 sons, and myself, 4 completely torn ACL, 1 partially torn PCL and MCL.
                  Ah ok, so they likely just sewed it

                  Makes sense.

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                  • kgun12
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 11318

                    #84
                    Re: Von Miller out for year

                    Originally posted by notacon View Post
                    I’m curious. I assume your son is not that old. If he has suffered 4 ACL tears, isn’t that a pretty strong message to not play football???
                    He did them playing college football and the last one he did 3 games into the season. He play the rest of the season and playoffs with the torn ACL. He finished 2nd team All American. He is 35 years old now and followed me as an air traffic controller.

                    BTW, he was on scholarship and the school wants their money’s worth. Besides, I don’t think we could have stopped him from playing.
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                    • kgun12
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      #85
                      Re: Von Miller out for year

                      Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
                      Ah ok, so they likely just sewed it

                      Makes sense.
                      Yes. In the case of my son that partially tore his PCL (a grade 2) they didn’t do surgery they let it heal on its own. However there’s a big difference between an average high school athlete and a pro football player.

                      I have read that now they are doing the surgery to repair them. Without the surgery they are finding that the ligament doesn’t always heal correctly.
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                      • notacon
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                        #86
                        Re: Von Miller out for year

                        Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
                        He did them playing college football and the last one he did 3 games into the season. He play the rest of the season and playoffs with the torn ACL. He finished 2nd team All American. He is 35 years old now and followed me as an air traffic controller.

                        BTW, he was on scholarship and the school wants their money’s worth. Besides, I don’t think we could have stopped him from playing.
                        Thanks for the clarification.

                        And my question was not suggesting that you even try to stop him from playing.

                        Good for him in getting such high honors. What an achievement. And I bet you are a proud parent. I’m certainly proud of my two daughters embarking on stellar careers.


                        Really, I am just curious on how so many injuries affects one’s decision to continue playing the sport that caused them. Hopefully, they do not affect his well being in years to come.

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                        • kgun12
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                          • Jul 2002
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                          #87
                          Re: Von Miller out for year

                          Originally posted by notacon View Post
                          Thanks for the clarification.

                          And my question was not suggesting that you even try to stop him from playing.

                          Good for him in getting such high honors. What an achievement. And I bet you are a proud parent. I’m certainly proud of my two daughters embarking on stellar careers.


                          Really, I am just curious on how so many injuries affects one’s decision to continue playing the sport that caused them. Hopefully, they do not affect his well being in years to come.
                          He golfs and hunts, goes stream fishing, just an outdoor kind of guy. I’ve asked him if he has any problems with his knees and he says no. Hopefully when he get older he can say the same thing.

                          As far as continuing to play, I don’t think that was ever a thought. I think he came back for the first and forth one a little to soon but he loved the game and was really good.
                          He had 7 big school interested to include Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, and Duke along with 3 Ivy League schools. Once he committed the Albany the coach told us they didn’t think they had a shot at him. The reason he end up there is a long story. He didn’t get in any trouble or anything like that, the reason was silly but not worth getting into. BTW before he got hurt the first time, he was slotted to start at Albany as a freshman.
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                          • notacon
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                            • Aug 2012
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                            #88
                            Re: Von Miller out for year

                            Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
                            He golfs and hunts, goes stream fishing, just an outdoor kind of guy. I’ve asked him if he has any problems with his knees and he says no. Hopefully when he get older he can say the same thing.

                            As far as continuing to play, I don’t think that was ever a thought. I think he came back for the first and forth one a little to soon but he loved the game and was really good.
                            He had 7 big school interested to include Penn St, Maryland, Rutgers, and Duke along with 3 Ivy League schools. Once he committed the Albany the coach told us they didn’t think they had a shot at him. The reason he end up there is a long story. He didn’t get in any trouble or anything like that, the reason was silly but not worth getting into. BTW before he got hurt the first time, he was slotted to start at Albany as a freshman.
                            I never played a lot of football, certainly not at the level your son did, but in my younger years I enjoyed running, basketball, baseball, tennis and a lot of golf.

                            Had my first torn meniscus surgery at 53. The other knee for the same thing five years later at 58 years old. Knee issues later in life are quite common among those that are physically active.

                            In fact my doctor told me that he has patients that go in to get “trimmed up” all the time. ACL injuries are a totally different thing that you and your son know a lot more about than I do (and I appreciate your posts about it). Thankfully medical science is progressing all the time.

                            Years and years ago, in the 60’s, my mother had back surgery. I believe that she had some vertebrae fused. She was in the hospital for weeks. Laid up in bed for months. Used a back brace for well over a year.

                            Today, you can be in and out in a day or two to start therapy. My two knee surgeries were outpatient. Despite being under anesthesia, after I woke up I had to do three things and then I was released.

                            1. Eat and drink something (I had some toast and juice)
                            2. Walk (with crutches) to the bathroom.
                            3. Pee

                            Then...out you go!!!

                            I only had surgery once in my life before that....when I had my tonsils out when I was 4 or 5 years old. Funny story....the night before my surgery I had a phone interview to prep for anesthesia, and one of the questions was if I was ever under anesthesia and when.

                            I answered, “when I had my tonsils out around 1960” The nurse literally broke out in laughter and said “They were probably still using ether back then,,,,hahahaha”!!!

                            And I’m thinking....you mean they don’t anymore?!?!

                            Von Miller has benefitted from advanced surgical procedures of today. This article in the Buffalo News gave some details....


                            “On the MRI, the ACL wasn’t torn, so that was great news,” Miller said on the show. “But when we got ready to do the scope, the surgery, he (Dr. Cooper) told me that he was going to take a look at it, and if it was compromised, then we would address it. And I thought that was the best case. … I really wanted to make a decision that gave me the best chance to get back on the field this year, and then still look out for my long-term health as well.”


                            Miller said the decision would have been different if he planned on this being his last season in the NFL. But the 33-year-old pass rusher plans to keep playing for years, and the surgery would be required.


                            “He got in there and it didn’t look good, so we opted for the ACL revision,” Miller said.


                            Miller said his left other knee had to be operated on as well, so that his left patellar tendon could be used as a graft to reconstruct his right ACL. Because Miller had ACL surgery previously, after tearing his right ACL in 2013, his right patellar tendon had already been used, he said. Both knees were sore, but he’s already walking and bending his knees. Miller believes that advances in the medical field could help the recovery of his timeline, as compared to his last surgery.


                            “I should be able to recover faster. I should be ready to go in about 6 to 7 months. My golf swing could be back in 3-4 months,” Miller said. "It's nothing but work."


                            "I plan to play another four, five, six years, and so this is the route that I had to take to get there," he added.


                            Miller said post-surgery, before his anesthesia had worn off, he started calling General Manager Brandon Beane and asking to shadow Beane in his work, which could include a trip to the scouting combine.


                            Miller also hopes to prove to his Bills teammates that his positive thinking isn’t “just paying lip service.” And at the same time, he’s excited to see what the defensive line does on the field.


                            “As much as I want to be out there and help those guys, they are in good shape,” he said. “We’re not going to miss a beat. You saw in that Patriots game how they attacked the Patriots offensive line. … I’m excited to see these guys develop, and I’m excited to hand the reins over to these guys until I get back. We’re not going to miss a beat, man.”

                            more...


                            Amazingly, Von ran into OBJ at the doctors office....

                            Miller also shared a story about running into free agent wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. while he was in Dallas. Miller left an appointment with Cooper and ran into Beckham’s assistant in the lobby.

                            “(Beckham’s) in the examining room right next to me,” Miller said. “So, I go in there, and I talk to OBJ like, ‘Man, I can’t get away from you. You’re here, man. It must be a sign: We’re supposed to be together.'”

                            Looks like Von Miller want to do some coaching and assistant GM’ing while he’s recovering.

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                            • kgun12
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                              • Jul 2002
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                              #89
                              Re: Von Miller out for year

                              I know what you’re saying about technology, in 2001 my L5 fell off the spinal column. They fused it to the tailbone. I was in surgery 101/2 hours they had me up walking the next day. I was released the next day and they told me to walk as much as I could take. By day 5 I was up to a mile a week later I was doing 2 miles. I looked pretty funny with my walker and a brace from just below my neck to the crack of my a$$ but I was walking. I was talking to my uncle that had a 2 hour back surgery in the early 70’s and like your mom the had him laid up for over a month. I also have my C3, 4, and 5 fused.
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                              • notacon
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                                • Aug 2012
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                                #90
                                Re: Von Miller out for year

                                Originally posted by kgun12 View Post
                                I know what you’re saying about technology, in 2001 my L5 fell off the spinal column. They fused it to the tailbone. I was in surgery 101/2 hours they had me up walking the next day. I was released the next day and they told me to walk as much as I could take. By day 5 I was up to a mile a week later I was doing 2 miles. I looked pretty funny with my walker and a brace from just below my neck to the crack of my a$$ but I was walking. I was talking to my uncle that had a 2 hour back surgery in the early 70’s and like your mom the had him laid up for over a month. I also have my C3, 4, and 5 fused.
                                Amazing.

                                My mom was miserable for well over a year....maybe closer to two. It was excruciating.

                                It’s like medical advancement is accelerating as time goes by....like one year in real time is equal to 10 years of medical advancement.

                                Less than 100 years ago (1928), penicillin was invented, although the “age of antibiotics” did not start until the 1940’s.

                                Exactly 100 years ago, insulin was first used to treat diabetes.

                                Life saving treatments that we take for granted did not even exist for my parents when they were young.

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