Past performance isn’t a perfect indicator but it’s one of the few that we have. Every year people predict this team to do things they’ve never proven they can do, and every year the team fails, not surprisingly.Originally Posted by jamze132
I don’t find this roster particularly exciting. It’s last year’s roster replacing talented-albeit aging- players with unknowns and journeymen. As of right now, it’s less talented than 2 months ago with no cap space and most of the best FA’s gone anyway.
WTF are you talking about? Were the Bills not the 2 seed last year in the playoffs, barely losing to the eventual SB champs? That's not an excuse, it's the truth.
And this is what you said: "The Bills have taken a few steps backward when there are already several teams ahead of us and several teams right on our heels that probably surpassed us." Not "At some point, we're supposed to be the SB rep or SB winner."
Like always, these "several teams" will need to prove they're "ahead of us." Because it hasn't materialized the past 4 years you've said it.
notacon (03-24-2024)
The dudes just a troll. Not worth the time or effort.
kscdogbillsfan1221 (03-23-2024),notacon (03-24-2024)
Oh they will prove it this year. Cincy has proven that they are better than us when Burrow is healthy.
But barely losing to the SB winner is still losing. 4 years ago we lost to the Chiefs, this year we lost to the Chiefs. Make all the excuses you want- the team is treading water at best. Josh isn’t going to be able to do what he does forever.
We've all heard it before, Op. Wallowing during the drought is one thing. Wallowing when we average 11-12 wins a season and are consistently competing for a SB, at some point you gotta look at yourself in the mirror.
You already backed off your first "calling it now" prediction this month. I guess we'll have to wait 6-7mos for the rest.
Do I think our coaching staff is good enough to not just get to the dance, but earn our way to the SB? Probably not unless they radically change. What am I going to do about it?
notacon (03-24-2024)
When Burrow is healthy? Can he remain healthy. And he will be without Mixon and probably lose Higgins as well. If you want to talk about losing players...
Again you keep saying the same crap year after year. "They're just treading water." And then they go out and prove you wrong. At some point you'd think you'd stop making such predictions. But the definition of insanity is...
notacon (03-24-2024)
Except they didn’t prove me wrong. Have they beaten the Chiefs in the playoffs? No. Have they equaled or bested the AFCCG from 4 years ago. No. They are absolutely treading water. It’s the same roadblock every time.
LOL! You never talked about just beating the Chiefs. It was always "they've lost too much and are going to lose the AFC East/miss the playoffs."
Op keeps proving himself WRONG and then claims victory that he's right. Lol.
Never seen anyone be so arrogant about being wrong all the time.lol.
notacon (03-24-2024)
No's resorting to out and out lying. Claiming he was always talking about beating the Chefs.
notacon (03-24-2024)
Keep making it about me, guys. The teams been a broken record for four years now. They’ve wasted Josh’s prime.
LOL! You started this thread. Who else would we make it about?
OMG!?!?!?! You mean that young players actually IMPROVE???? You mean that vet players actually IMPROVE (and have up years after a slightly down one)?!?!? You mean that what makes a TEAM, the way players fit together and compliment each other changes and means the WHOLE IMPROVES?!?!?!?!?!
What's wrong with you?!?!?!? What insanity!!!!!!!!
Yeah, jamze. You are spot on. Every NFL team has at least a 25% turnover of their roster. Every. Single. Year. Young players learn and develop. Coaches learn from their mistakes (and new position coaches are brought in every year with fresh outlooks and perceptions) and study why and improve.
OMG?!?!?!? MORE common sense and plain, undeniable REALITY!!! Yeah...Opi is a QUITTER, plain and simple. He QUITS on the Bills. Every. ****ing. Year.
Last season (besides his obligatory quitting on the Bills before the season even starts). Before only the FOURTH game against Miami (yeah...the one where the Bills BLEW THEM OUT by FOUR ****ING TD'S) he QUIT on the team by saying “This is gonna be ugly. I don’t see how we keep up with them.”….” With the way Miami is playing, one win could cost us the Div.”
After just the FIFTH GAME last year, he said "It’s over. The window isn’t just closed. It’s slammed shut and boarded up."
After beating KC, he QUIT on the team AGAIN before the Dallas BLOW OUT by saying "Did anyone actually watch Dallas? They’re gonna smoke us."
These are only a few of literally HUNDREDS of posts (the VAST majority of Opi's posts) that constantly **** and QUIT on the Bills.
In this thread, we saw this QUITTER gem on March 10, 2024.....
"We lost two starters, arguably 3 if you count White, and we have no cap space to replace them"
No cap space to replace them?!?!?
Since then the Bills have added several starting caliber players.....which arguably are upgrades (or at the very least very close but younger).
Moving on from aging, expensive vets is smart.
Morse has been replaced. There is no reason to believe that McGovern will not do just fine. They even added and experienced versatile backup in Will Clapp (11 starts last season at C...he could even become starting C)
Samuel is an instant upgrade from Gabe Davis, who beings versatility and much better hands. Joe Brady is going to have fun utilizing this guy.
Mike Edwards is an upgrade over the aging, slowing Poyer. He started 5 games, including all 4 playoff games, for SB champions Chiefs last year. He is not replacing the Jordan Poyer of a few years ago, but the one who's beat up, who's value has plummeted, down two-thirds from the Bills contract he signed in 2023....that was considered a pay cut after he tested the FA market last off season and could not find any team willing to pony up.
Leonard Floyd of early last year might be missed....but not the aging vet who noticeably slowed down as the year progressed. The Bills are better off with younger Epenesa and the ever improving Rousseau. Hopefully, after a full off season and close to two years after his injury, Von Miller will come back closer to his old self. 75% of the "younger" Von Miller is better than many. Toohill brings another DE with starting experience for depth.
Tre' White is done. Only starting 10 games the past two seasons (many of them the shell of his old self) he was already replaced by the ball-hawk Rasul Douglas. Benford has every indication of getting better and better. The CB position is the setting up to be the best it's been in several years.
Austin Johnson, another starting caliber DT (he started every game for LAC) is an instant upgrade to the DL depth. Retaining by re-signing DuQuan Jones along with the star DT Ed Oliver shows that the full defensive line position of the Bills is better than last year.
Yeah....Opi is almost (no one ever knows how new players are going to gel together) assuredly going to be shown to be what he almost always is when he make these QUITTER predictions....wrong....wrong....wrong!!!
Spot on Oaf.
Sometimes it's good to reflect on the mostly crappy TWENTY ****ING YEARS of dismally disappointing and downright TERRIBLE years of Bills before the McBeane/Allen era.
Besides the SEVENTEEN YEAR playoff drought, even in 1996, 1998 and 1999 when the Bills DID make the playoffs, they LOST the only playoff game they were in.
Today, the Bills have not only made the playoffs FIVE YEARS in a row....the second longest streak in the NFL, behind, who else, only KC (9) has a longer one. Amazingly currently only EIGHT NFL teams have made the playoffs multiple years (TB - 4, SanFran, Dallas & Philly - 3, Baltimopre & Miami - 2).
Yep...making the playoffs several years in a row is the ANOMALY in today's NFL.
The Bills also have won the AFCE FOUR years in a row........the second longest streak in the NFL, behind, who else, only KC (8) has a longer one. Only four teams have currently won more than one consecutive div titles....
KC - 8
Buffalo - 4
Tampa Bay - 3 (the lest tow they won with 9 wins and amazingly a losing record of 8-9 in 2022)
SanFran - 2
Despite what the quitter Opi says, the Bills are now almost assured of being in the playoffs (as long as Allen in mostly healthy) and a CONTENDER dispite his ARROGANT ASSURANCE ("Mark it now") that the Bills will MISS the playoffs in 2024 which proves his QUITTER mindset.
TacklingDummy (03-24-2024)
"wasted Josh’s prime"?!?!?!? He's 28 years old (he's 27 years old today, will be 28 when next SB is played). Here is the list of QB's that have won a Super Bowl when 28 years or older than Josh Allen....
Super Bowl 1 (1966): Bart Starr (33)
Super Bowl 2 (1967): Bart Starr (34)
Super Bowl 4 (1969): Len Dawson (34)
Super Bowl 5 (1970): Johnny Unitas (37)
Super Bowl 6 (1971): Roger Staubach (29)
Super Bowl 8 (1973): Bob Griese (28)
Super Bowl 11 (1976): Ken Stabler (31)
Super Bowl 12 (1977): Roger Staubach (35)
Super Bowl 13 (1978): Terry Bradshaw (30)
Super Bowl 14 (1979): Terry Bradshaw (31)
Super Bowl 15 (1980): Jim Plunkett (33)
Super Bowl 17 (1982): Joe Theisman (33)
Super Bowl 18 (1983): Jim Plunkett (36)
Super Bowl 19 (1984): Joe Montana (28)
Super Bowl 21 (1986): Phil Simms (31)
Super Bowl 22 (1987): Doug Williams (32)
Super Bowl 23 (1988): Joe Montana (32)
Super Bowl 24 (1989): Joe Montana (33)
Super Bowl 25 (1990): Jeff Hostetler (29)
Super Bowl 26 (1991): Mark Rypien (29)
Super Bowl 29 (1994): Steve Young (33)
Super Bowl 30 (1995): Troy Aikman (29)
Super Bowl 32 (1997): John Elway (37)
Super Bowl 33 (1998): John Elway (38)
Super Bowl 34 (1999): Kurt Warner (28)
Super Bowl 35 (2000): Trent Dilfer (28)
Super Bowl 37 (2002): Brad Johnson (34)
Super Bowl 41 (2006): Peyton Manning (30)
Super Bowl 44 (2009): Drew Brees (31)
Super Bowl 46 (2011): Eli Manning (31)
Super Bowl 47 (2012): Joe Flacco (28)
Super Bowl 49 (2014): Tom Brady (37)
Super Bowl 50 (2015): Peyton Manning (39)
Super Bowl 51 (2016): Tom Brady (39)
Super Bowl 52 (2017): Nick Foles (29)
Super Bowl 53 (2018): Tom Brady (41)
Super Bowl 55 (2020): Tom Brady (43)
Super Bowl 56 (2021): Matthew Stafford (34)
Super Bowl 58 (2023): Patrick Mahomes (28)
That's SIXTY SEVEN PERCENT (for the math challenged that is TWO THIRDS....WAY over one half) of ALL the Super Bowls that were won by QB that were the same age or older than Josh Allen.
That's CLOSE TO HALF (48%) that were THIRTY YEARS OR OLDER that have WON a SB.
Not even counting the ages of QB's "past their prime" (according your your stupid, senseless, ignorant metric) that started a SB game.
I do not think you could make a more moronic statement (and that is on top of hundreds if not thousands of moronic statements you have dirtied this forum with.
Just. STOP!!!!
TacklingDummy (03-24-2024)
Bart Starr, 27, year 6.
Len Dawson, 27, year 6.
Johnny Unitas, 25, year 3.
Roger Staubach was 29, but only year 3 in the league.
Bob Griese was 28, but year 6 in the league.
Ken Stabler was 31, but year 6 in the league.
Terry Bradshaw, 26, year 5.
Jim Plunkett was 33 and in year 9.
Joe Montana, 25, year 3.
Phil Simms was 31, and year 7.
Doug Williams was 32, and year 7.
Jeff Hostetler was 29, but year 5.
Mark Rypien was 29, but year 4.
Steve Young was 33, year 10.
Troy Aikman was 27, year 4.
John Elway was 37, year 15. **
Kurt Warner was 28, but year 2.
Trent Dilfer was 28, year 7.
Brad Johnson was 34, year 8.
Peyton Manning was 30, year 9.
Drew Brees was 31, year 9.
Eli Manning was 26, year 4.
Joe Flacco was 28, but year 5.
Tom Brady was 24, year 2.
Nick Foles was 29, but year 6.
Matt Stafford was 34, year 13.
Patrick Mahomes, 24, year 3.
So of the 27 quarterbacks listed, 17 (63%) had already won a league championship/Super Bowl before 28 years old or/and within their first 6 years in the league. Something Josh didn't do, obviously.
Of the remaining 10, seven (70%) won their title with a team other than the one that originally drafted them. I guess if you're rooting for Josh to win his first trophy with a different team he can still be on track.
Of the remaining three, Elway won two conference championships and played for a Lombardi in his first 6 years, something Josh didn't do, obviously.
That leaves Phil Simms and Peyton Manning as the only two quarterbacks in Super Bowl history that have accomplished what Josh needs to if we want him to win a Super Bowl for Buffalo.
Not impossible, but extremely rare.
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OpIv37 (03-24-2024)
Yes, I started this thread ABOUT THE STATE OF THE TEAM, not about myself.
This is the earliest ever that OPiV has ever made a "Is this the Worst Team of the Drought" type thread. Therefore, I fully expect the Bills will win the whole thing this year and then OPiV will start a is this the worst Superbowl Championship Team ever thread
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and look up that is this worst team of the drought thread, it was a hoot. I'd enshrine it in the hall of fame, or spam. I'm torn on the issue actually.
Insert whimsical line here
Beane said yesterday that bringing back Tre and Hyde are still on the table.
and that would be a stupid thing to do, its clear that the defense isn't good enough with them so why go back to something that didn't work, use younger and players with upside...
I agree on 1 hand but if you can get them on the cheap than why not?
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