Re: So where do we stand after today's bloodletting?
Jesus. Why do you feel the need to misrepresent what I write???
I NEVER, EVER said that "Josh messes up the most on the offense" Just stop with the dishonesty. Obviously you do not read what I actually write nor even attempt to comprehend. :SIGH: I'm not your daddy that has to take you by the hand because you refuse to listen.
Once again, you obviously you did not read the link I provided...
Donovan McNabb; a Defense of an Unappreciated HOFer and the Greatest Eagles QB Ever
Sorry, but you crapping on McNabb just to make a lame point about Andy Reid being sooooooooooo great is downright silly. He is an excellent head coach....mostly with Patrick Mahomes as his QB.
The FACT is that great QB's are what make great coaches. The examples are undeniable in the history of the NFL.
It is at the very least a symbiotic relationship. Each needs each other to realize true greatness.
There have been only 33 different head coaches in the NFL to win a Super Bowl. Only 14 have won multiple times. Nine of those have won 2. Only FIVE have won more than two Super Bowls.
Only ONE of those has won with two different QB's. The great Joe Gibbs. Who won each SB of his three with a different QB. Two of which were Tier 2 or lower. Joe Theisman (1982), Doug Williams (1987) & Mark Rypien (1991).
Not surprisingly these were all before the NFL instituted a cap system (1994), and the rules for the game were much different than today.
The other four HC to win multiple Super Bowls all did so with some of the best QB's to pay the game....most of them coached for over 20 years.
Bill Belichick - 24 years HC - 6 SB wins - ALL with Tom Brady....no Brady, no SB wins.
Chuck Noll - 23 years HC - 4 SB wins - ALL with Terry Bradshaw - no Bradshaw, no SB wins
Bill Walsh - 10 years HC - 3 SB wins - ALL with Joe Montana - no Montana - no SB wins
Andy Reid - 26 years HC - 3 SB wins - ALL with Patrick Mahomes - no Mahomes, no SB wins.
Sensing a pattern here???? You will if you open you eyes and face cold, hard reality.
The HC to win 2 SB's pretty much follow the exact same pattern. When they have an elite (or well above average) QB, they win SB's. When they don't, they don't win SB's.
Vince Lombardi - 9 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Bart Starr - no Starr, no SB wins
Tom Flores - 12 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Jim Plunkett - no Plunkett, no SB wins
Jimmy Johnson - 9 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Troy Aikman - no Aikman, no SB wins
George Seifert - 14 years HC - 2 SB wins - 2 SB wins - one with Joe Montana, one with Steve Young - no Montana or Young, no SB wins
Mike Shanahan - 20 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with John Elway - no Elway, no SB wins
Tom Couglin - 21 years HC- 2 SB wins - both with Eli Manning - no Manning no SB wins
Bill Parcells 21 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Phil Simms* - no Simms no SB wins (*Jeff Hosteller replaced Phil Simms late that season - but Sims got them there - pre cap...Parcells is the closest to Joe Gibbs...again, both excelled before the cap system)
Don Shula - 33 years HC- 2 SB wins - both with Bob Griese - no Griese no SB wins
Tom Landry - 29 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Roger Staubach - no Staubach no SB wins
We have gone round and round with this in this thread. You want to ignore the facts, that's your business. Josh Allen has not yet risen to, as Kurt Warner puts it...
“It’s impossible to play perfect games, and Josh played an incredible game—until the end. In the end, he took some chances that wouldn’t have been what I would have done. But he chose to make those throws, and if you choose those throws, you’ve got to make ‘em. That’s part of being great. Brady, Montana, Mahomes—they have careers of making the plays in the absolute crucial times of the game. Now they’re on the Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks.”
Amazingly, I am the one being accused of "homerism"?!?!? Christ. How absurd.
Sorry, but to ignore the facts smacks of a (slight) case of "homerism". My eyes are wide open.
Anyway...as I said in the other thread....
Originally posted by Goobylal
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Jesus. Why do you feel the need to misrepresent what I write???
I NEVER, EVER said that "Josh messes up the most on the offense" Just stop with the dishonesty. Obviously you do not read what I actually write nor even attempt to comprehend. :SIGH: I'm not your daddy that has to take you by the hand because you refuse to listen.
Once again, you obviously you did not read the link I provided...
Donovan McNabb; a Defense of an Unappreciated HOFer and the Greatest Eagles QB Ever
Lot’s to talk about, but I’m going to limit today’s post to Donovan McNabb. Given his “retirement” and the fact that others are running McNabb columns today, I figured the time was right to finally put my thoughts about McNabb into post form. As I’ve alluded to before, I believe McNabb is the greatest Eagles QB ever AND a Hall of Fame caliber player.
As usual, I will not be rehashing all the draft-day stuff or the TO event, you can go elsewhere for that. Here, I’ll just give you what I believe is often missing from McNabb discussions: CONTEXT. I have much more to say about all the external crap, but I’m already at 1500+ words, so that’ll have to wait.
The Stats
Given all the noise and drama surrounding McNabb’s career with the Eagles, it’s almost understandable that many commentators/fans don’t fully appreciate how good #5 was. Here are some major statistics, followed by the comparable numbers for other QBs. Again, just trying to provide objective context.
– Career Record (regular season): 92-49-1, .647 win percentage
P. Manning with the Colts – .688 win percentage
B. Favre with the Packers – .632 win percentage
J. Elway with the Broncos – .641 win percentage
– Passer Rating with the Eagles: 86.5
D. Marino – 86.4
B. Favre with GB – 85.8
J. Kelly – 84.4
T. Aikman – 81.6
– 9 Playoff Wins
P. Manning – 9
J. Kelly – 9
D. Marino – 8
– 2.16 TD/Int Ratio with the Eagles
P. Manning – 2.08
D. Brees – 1.96
J. Montana – 1.71
D. Marino – 1.66
Donovan McNabb’s career with the Eagles was among the best QB/Team runs of ALL-TIME. Look at the names above and how McNabb with the Eagles compares. My guess is that, if asked, most fans wouldn’t place #5’s run in this company. However, it EASILY belongs, and in some cases exceeds the statistical greatness of some legendary players.
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As usual, I will not be rehashing all the draft-day stuff or the TO event, you can go elsewhere for that. Here, I’ll just give you what I believe is often missing from McNabb discussions: CONTEXT. I have much more to say about all the external crap, but I’m already at 1500+ words, so that’ll have to wait.
The Stats
Given all the noise and drama surrounding McNabb’s career with the Eagles, it’s almost understandable that many commentators/fans don’t fully appreciate how good #5 was. Here are some major statistics, followed by the comparable numbers for other QBs. Again, just trying to provide objective context.
– Career Record (regular season): 92-49-1, .647 win percentage
P. Manning with the Colts – .688 win percentage
B. Favre with the Packers – .632 win percentage
J. Elway with the Broncos – .641 win percentage
– Passer Rating with the Eagles: 86.5
D. Marino – 86.4
B. Favre with GB – 85.8
J. Kelly – 84.4
T. Aikman – 81.6
– 9 Playoff Wins
P. Manning – 9
J. Kelly – 9
D. Marino – 8
– 2.16 TD/Int Ratio with the Eagles
P. Manning – 2.08
D. Brees – 1.96
J. Montana – 1.71
D. Marino – 1.66
Donovan McNabb’s career with the Eagles was among the best QB/Team runs of ALL-TIME. Look at the names above and how McNabb with the Eagles compares. My guess is that, if asked, most fans wouldn’t place #5’s run in this company. However, it EASILY belongs, and in some cases exceeds the statistical greatness of some legendary players.
More...
The FACT is that great QB's are what make great coaches. The examples are undeniable in the history of the NFL.
It is at the very least a symbiotic relationship. Each needs each other to realize true greatness.
There have been only 33 different head coaches in the NFL to win a Super Bowl. Only 14 have won multiple times. Nine of those have won 2. Only FIVE have won more than two Super Bowls.
Only ONE of those has won with two different QB's. The great Joe Gibbs. Who won each SB of his three with a different QB. Two of which were Tier 2 or lower. Joe Theisman (1982), Doug Williams (1987) & Mark Rypien (1991).
Not surprisingly these were all before the NFL instituted a cap system (1994), and the rules for the game were much different than today.
The other four HC to win multiple Super Bowls all did so with some of the best QB's to pay the game....most of them coached for over 20 years.
Bill Belichick - 24 years HC - 6 SB wins - ALL with Tom Brady....no Brady, no SB wins.
Chuck Noll - 23 years HC - 4 SB wins - ALL with Terry Bradshaw - no Bradshaw, no SB wins
Bill Walsh - 10 years HC - 3 SB wins - ALL with Joe Montana - no Montana - no SB wins
Andy Reid - 26 years HC - 3 SB wins - ALL with Patrick Mahomes - no Mahomes, no SB wins.
Sensing a pattern here???? You will if you open you eyes and face cold, hard reality.
The HC to win 2 SB's pretty much follow the exact same pattern. When they have an elite (or well above average) QB, they win SB's. When they don't, they don't win SB's.
Vince Lombardi - 9 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Bart Starr - no Starr, no SB wins
Tom Flores - 12 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Jim Plunkett - no Plunkett, no SB wins
Jimmy Johnson - 9 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Troy Aikman - no Aikman, no SB wins
George Seifert - 14 years HC - 2 SB wins - 2 SB wins - one with Joe Montana, one with Steve Young - no Montana or Young, no SB wins
Mike Shanahan - 20 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with John Elway - no Elway, no SB wins
Tom Couglin - 21 years HC- 2 SB wins - both with Eli Manning - no Manning no SB wins
Bill Parcells 21 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Phil Simms* - no Simms no SB wins (*Jeff Hosteller replaced Phil Simms late that season - but Sims got them there - pre cap...Parcells is the closest to Joe Gibbs...again, both excelled before the cap system)
Don Shula - 33 years HC- 2 SB wins - both with Bob Griese - no Griese no SB wins
Tom Landry - 29 years HC - 2 SB wins - both with Roger Staubach - no Staubach no SB wins
We have gone round and round with this in this thread. You want to ignore the facts, that's your business. Josh Allen has not yet risen to, as Kurt Warner puts it...
“It’s impossible to play perfect games, and Josh played an incredible game—until the end. In the end, he took some chances that wouldn’t have been what I would have done. But he chose to make those throws, and if you choose those throws, you’ve got to make ‘em. That’s part of being great. Brady, Montana, Mahomes—they have careers of making the plays in the absolute crucial times of the game. Now they’re on the Mount Rushmore of NFL quarterbacks.”
Amazingly, I am the one being accused of "homerism"?!?!? Christ. How absurd.
Sorry, but to ignore the facts smacks of a (slight) case of "homerism". My eyes are wide open.
Anyway...as I said in the other thread....
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