Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

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  • OpIv37
    Acid Douching Asswipe
    • Sep 2002
    • 101230

    #91
    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

    Originally posted by notacon View Post
    +1

    Sure looks like Opi is taking the fantasy football mindset.

    Of course in the real world it does not work that way. Players do NOT perform in a vacuum, like they do in fantasy football (full disclosure...I hate fantasy football...it's such bullcrap).

    In a TEAM sport like NFL football, how the different pieces mesh together, and are suitable for an offensive and defensive scheme is much more critical than the silly......"No one has any idea how the kids will play. We lost Diggs, Davis, Poyer, White, Hyde and Morse. Expecting the kids to step up and play well enough to replace all of that…. Just insanity. Yes, they were all past their prime but it’s still a talent deficit. We have no one proven to be equal or better."

    Of course, Opi does not even listen to himself. The most credible thing his whinefest expressed was "No one has any idea how the kids will play."

    In Opi's fantasy football world, it's just assumed that the "kids" will not be as good as the departed, no matter if some of them were washed up has-beens. In Opi's fantasy world no young player ever gets better...no backup can replace a starter and do a better job. How lame!!

    But, we DO know how the departed DID perform, especially in the most critical games.

    Diggs - SUCKED in the playoffs, like he has in every single playoff loss the Bills have had his four years on the team. Once the offensive scheme changed after Brady took over, he was invisible. The Bills literally won MORE GAMES (7 including playoffs) than they did before Diggs was de-emphasized (5 up to the Denver debacle). Diggs had almost nothing to do with the Bills fantasit 6-1 finish (which Opi said would NEVER happen) . Diggs was TERRIBLE in the KC loss....an albatross.

    Davis - His 55% catch % was the worst of any pass catcher on the team. MUCH less than Shakir's 86.6% and Kincaid's 80.2%. His route running was terrible. He could hardly ever get any separation. He was a dismally bad #2 WR last year. He did not play in either of the playoff games and he was not missed.

    Poyer - damaged goods. He's done. No wonder the best FA offer he could get was barley above vet min.

    White - damaged goods. Only played in 10 games the past two years. He was below average in at least half of those.

    Hyde - more damaged goods. No one wants him.

    Morse - good player on the downside of his career. So many concussions. McGovern will be just fine as his replacement. The Bills will not notice he's gone.

    Opi's pearl clutching makes little sense in the real world. The NFL is a constant churn of players.

    The offensive core is strong. Curtis is a great addition. Cook is coming into his own. Shakir is ready to become a star. Kincaid is poised to become a superstar. Josh Allen already is a superstar.

    The Bills are well positioned to draft one or two good WR's. I suspect that one of this years WR draft choices will be starting on day one and do a very good job.

    By mid-season we will probably all be saying that we are much better off without any of those departed players. In any event, it's best to wait and see what this team is going to be before declaring them dead and digging their grave.

    How ****ing pathetic it is to do that....and Opi does it every ****ing year.
    And through all of this you still failed to show how we have anyone equal or better to the guys we lost.
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    • OpIv37
      Acid Douching Asswipe
      • Sep 2002
      • 101230

      #92
      Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

      Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
      Ok Op time for early predictions to determine the amount of your cynicism.

      over or under 9 wins in your opinion for 2024?
      It’s gonna be close. Our division is such ****, but then again this coaching staff is really good at blowing 2 games a year to inferior competition. This is preliminary so I may change it when we have the full schedule, but I’m thinking 9-10 wins, which will be enough to win the East, then whoever doesn’t win the North will slaughter us in the first round.
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      • Mad Max
        Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
        • Mar 2003
        • 6698

        #93
        Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

        Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
        It’s gonna be close. Our division is such ****, but then again this coaching staff is really good at blowing 2 games a year to inferior competition. This is preliminary so I may change it when we have the full schedule, but I’m thinking 9-10 wins, which will be enough to win the East, then whoever doesn’t win the North will slaughter us in the first round.
        So you’re taking the over at 10 wins and a playoff appearance with a first round exit.

        Not ideal obviously but doesn’t seem to jibe with your “we’re doomed” thesis. By definition ten win teams cannot be as bereft of talent as you’re claiming we now are.

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        • sukie
          Seriously?
          • Sep 2012
          • 21507

          #94
          Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

          Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
          And through all of this you still failed to show how we have anyone equal or better to the guys we lost.
          To be clear “equal to or better than” as in how the players performed last season…correct?

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          • OpIv37
            Acid Douching Asswipe
            • Sep 2002
            • 101230

            #95
            Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

            Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
            So you’re taking the over at 10 wins and a playoff appearance with a first round exit.

            Not ideal obviously but doesn’t seem to jibe with your “we’re doomed” thesis. By definition ten win teams cannot be as bereft of talent as you’re claiming we now are.
            We were supposedly Super Bowl contenders last year. We’re going from that to only making the playoffs by lucking into a weak division.
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            • sukie
              Seriously?
              • Sep 2012
              • 21507

              #96
              Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

              Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
              So you’re taking the over at 10 wins and a playoff appearance with a first round exit.

              Not ideal obviously but doesn’t seem to jibe with your “we’re doomed” thesis. By definition ten win teams cannot be as bereft of talent as you’re claiming we now are.
              So with all this devastation in terms of talent purge… OpI. Had then losing 1-2 games more than last season?

              all this blather over 1-2 games?

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              • Mad Max
                Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
                • Mar 2003
                • 6698

                #97
                Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

                Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                We were supposedly Super Bowl contenders last year. We’re going from that to only making the playoffs by lucking into a weak division.
                And the obligatory goal post movement.

                Talent bereft teams by definition don’t make the playoffs…according to your own prediction we make the playoffs, ergo we are not talent bereft.

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                • OpIv37
                  Acid Douching Asswipe
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 101230

                  #98
                  Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

                  Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
                  And the obligatory goal post movement.

                  Talent bereft teams by definition don’t make the playoffs…according to your own prediction we make the playoffs, ergo we are not talent bereft.
                  Wow, that's putting a hell of a lot of spin on what I said.

                  We weren't good enough to beat the Chiefs or the Bengals last year. We lost talent. We definitely won't be good enough to beat them this year.

                  That's what I said. I never said we were completely "talent bereft."

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                  Originally posted by sukie View Post
                  So with all this devastation in terms of talent purge… OpI. Had then losing 1-2 games more than last season?

                  all this blather over 1-2 games?
                  Once again: we weren't good enough to beat the Bengals or Chiefs last year. We lost talent, so we definitely won't be able to beat them this year.
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                  • sukie
                    Seriously?
                    • Sep 2012
                    • 21507

                    #99
                    Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

                    Originally posted by sukie View Post
                    To be clear “equal to or better than” as in how the players performed last season…correct?
                    Opiv…

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                    • OpIv37
                      Acid Douching Asswipe
                      • Sep 2002
                      • 101230

                      Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

                      Originally posted by sukie View Post
                      Opiv…
                      I don't know what is so confusing to you about this. We saw how the guys we lost played last year. If we are going to equal last year's performance, we need players who are equal or better to what we lost, meaning they've proven ON THE FIELD that they can at least equal the production of the players who are no longer here. It's not complicated.
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                      • sukie
                        Seriously?
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 21507

                        Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

                        Doesn’t apply to Hyde or White. They didn’t play. A full season of anyone could equal what we got statistically out of last season’s Poyer, Morse can easily be bettered just buy a younger guy taking his snaps. The quality of play by David is better without a replacement. His catch ratio was horrid.

                        Diggs put up yardage but not meaningful catches in the stretch.

                        who else?

                        milano back. Kincaid year 2 , Samuel’s speed, all positive upturns.

                        year 2 of starting for Benford and Bernard.

                        second season for Cyrus . Experience is awesome.

                        draft class coming in.

                        im seeing 11 wins minimum without a schedule.

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                        • Mad Max
                          Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 6698

                          Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

                          Originally posted by sukie View Post
                          Doesn’t apply to Hyde or White. They didn’t play. A full season of anyone could equal what we got statistically out of last season’s Poyer, Morse can easily be bettered just buy a younger guy taking his snaps. The quality of play by David is better without a replacement. His catch ratio was horrid.

                          Diggs put up yardage but not meaningful catches in the stretch.

                          who else?

                          milano back. Kincaid year 2 , Samuel’s speed, all positive upturns.

                          year 2 of starting for Benford and Bernard.

                          second season for Cyrus . Experience is awesome.

                          draft class coming in.

                          im seeing 11 wins minimum without a schedule.
                          Stop with this reasoning mumbo jumbo. We are going to suck and you know it.

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                          • sukie
                            Seriously?
                            • Sep 2012
                            • 21507

                            Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

                            Originally posted by Mad Max View Post
                            Stop with this reasoning mumbo jumbo. We are going to suck and you know it.
                            I know. 2-14. Bright side is the Sabres will look GOOD by comparison.

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                            • OpIv37
                              Acid Douching Asswipe
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 101230

                              Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

                              Originally posted by sukie View Post
                              Doesn’t apply to Hyde or White. They didn’t play. A full season of anyone could equal what we got statistically out of last season’s Poyer, Morse can easily be bettered just buy a younger guy taking his snaps. The quality of play by David is better without a replacement. His catch ratio was horrid.

                              Diggs put up yardage but not meaningful catches in the stretch.

                              who else?

                              milano back. Kincaid year 2 , Samuel’s speed, all positive upturns.

                              year 2 of starting for Benford and Bernard.

                              second season for Cyrus . Experience is awesome.

                              draft class coming in.

                              im seeing 11 wins minimum without a schedule.
                              Milano back is assumed. He could get injured again.

                              Kincaid improvement is assumed. Some guys make jumps in year 2, some guys don’t. It’s also drought era thinking. “We don’t need to add talent- the guys we have will just get better with experience!”

                              11 wins is not gonna happen with this schedule.
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                              • Mad Max
                                Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat
                                • Mar 2003
                                • 6698

                                Re: Can you win a Super Bowl without a great #1 WR?

                                Originally posted by OpIv37 View Post
                                Milano back is assumed. He could get injured again.

                                Kincaid improvement is assumed. Some guys make jumps in year 2, some guys don’t. It’s also drought era thinking. “We don’t need to add talent- the guys we have will just get better with experience!”

                                11 wins is not gonna happen with this schedule.
                                Where did you read the “we don’t need to add talent” bit?

                                I must have missed it.
                                Everyone knows we do need to add talent. That’s kind of why they hold this draft thingy every year.

                                The only difference between eeyores like you and the rest of us is we don’t see the shelves as they are right now as barren.

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