We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

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  • kscdogbillsfan1221
    Registered User
    • Nov 2007
    • 5651

    #16
    Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

    Originally posted by Historian View Post
    Lets be honest.

    The last time the Bills had a legit #1 receiver, it was Eric Moulds.

    We are way overdue.

    KC won two SBS because of their quarterback's ability to vamp on the run, plus they have the best TE in football.

    Josh is a traditional pocket passer who needs a deep threat.
    You didn’t count diggs as a true number 1?
    I came.
    I saw.
    I conquered.

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    • notacon
      Registered User
      • Aug 2012
      • 32994

      #17
      Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

      Beane is being pretty honest. He does not have a record of egregious lying when talking to the press.

      That still does not tell us what he is going to do come draft day. I suspect he does not know 100% either.

      He's a smart GM who will have (along with his whole talent team) done their homework and be ready for anything as the draft commences.

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      • TacklingDummy
        Unreachable Douche
        • Jul 2002
        • 71724

        #18
        Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

        Originally posted by kscdogbillsfan1221 View Post
        You didn’t count diggs as a true number 1?
        Good but no Jefferson, Chase, Adams, Kupp, Hill, Metcalf, Evans, Hopkins, Lamb, Brown, St. Brown, Puka, Aiyuk, Olave and some others.

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        • Historian
          2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
          • Dec 2002
          • 61707

          #19
          Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

          Originally posted by kscdogbillsfan1221 View Post
          You didn’t count diggs as a true number 1?
          No I can honestly say I did not, and that's not to undermine all of his abilities, honestly.
          IMO, he was average size, better than average speed. When I think of true number 1s, I think of guys like..... DK Metcalf, Eric Moulds, TO as a Niner, Irvin, guys like that.

          As a matter of fact, I went through every draft since the merger and ranked where I thought the Bills receivers are:

          Some "true #1s" in Bills history, IMHO:

          Eric Moulds

          Frank Lewis

          Andre Reed

          Jerry Butler

          Haven Moses

          Bills True #2s:

          Bob Chandler

          Marlin Briscoe

          Stefon Diggs

          Chris Burkett

          James Lofton (a true #1 as a Packer)

          TO (#1 as a 49er)

          Quinn Early

          Byron Franklin

          Lee Evans

          Peerless Price

          Stevie Johnson

          Sammie Watkins

          Bills "True 3rds" IMO:

          Mark Mosely

          Robert Woods

          Josh Reed

          Ron Jesse

          Lou Piccone

          Steve Tasker

          John Holland

          Don Beebe

          Russell Copeland

          Justin Armour

          Robert Holt

          Marquise Goodwin

          Zay Jones

          Ray Ray McCloud

          Roscoe Parrish

          Gabe Davis

          Kalil Shakir

          Cole Beasley

          Al Edwards

          Billy Brooks

          JD Hill

          Absolute Garbage

          Bernard Ford

          Julius Dawkins

          Mitchell Brookins

          Kamil Loud

          Avion Black

          Walter Broughton

          Brad Lamb

          Drew Hadad

          Sam Aiken

          Eric Richardson

          Perry Tuttle

          Jimmy Teal

          Reggie Bynam

          Justin Shorter

          Chris Walsh

          Kwame Cavil

          John Kimborough

          James Hardy

          Marcus Easley

          TJ Graham

          Danny Fulton

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          • ghz in pittsburgh
            Registered User
            • Aug 2004
            • 5861

            #20
            Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

            Amen to historian. Diggs is not a #1 receivers. Beane himself used words carefully that Diggs filled the #1 wr role when he got to Buffalo, not that he is the true #1 receiver in Buffalo. An argument can made that Davis in the last 2 years is used more like a #1 receiver, out snapped Diggs , running more boundary routes. More of the “using your size” kind of targets. Both Samuel and Shakir are projected to be in Diggs role.

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            • ghz in pittsburgh
              Registered User
              • Aug 2004
              • 5861

              #21
              Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

              If you look Diggs 2nd year stats in nfl: 84 catches on 112 targets. Shakir 2nd year 39 catches on something like 43 targets. Not saying shakir will be Diggs. But something to watch, especially next year that he may step into a role that opponents may put #1 cb on him.

              Right now though, I still bet Shakir is not getting 100 targets in 2024. Kincaid is odds on favorite to get that. But you never know if Shakir will force Brady’s hand by having a Diggs like breakout season which is not uncommon for wr on year 3

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              • sahlensguy
                Registered User
                • Mar 2015
                • 13466

                #22
                Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                It doesn't matter what you get with your picks but don't whiff.

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                • DraftBoy
                  Administrator
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 107452

                  #23
                  Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                  The lack of a dependable #1 target has held this team back and Josh as well. He’s never had a guy he can just throw it up to and let him go make a play. Bring him that and you will see this offense reinvent itself, don’t and you will see the definition of insanity play out.
                  COMING SOON...
                  Originally posted by Dr.Lecter
                  We were both drunk and Hillary did not look that bad at 2 AM, I swear!!!!!!

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                  • sahlensguy
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2015
                    • 13466

                    #24
                    Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                    Originally posted by DraftBoy View Post
                    The lack of a dependable #1 target has held this team back and Josh as well. He’s never had a guy he can just throw it up to and let him go make a play. Bring him that and you will see this offense reinvent itself, don’t and you will see the definition of insanity play out.
                    I don't see it. Josh doesn't throw that kind of ball imo.

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                    • TacklingDummy
                      Unreachable Douche
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 71724

                      #25
                      Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                      Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
                      I don't see it. Josh doesn't throw that kind of ball imo.
                      Josh does throw alot of balls imto tight coverage. Some would say up for grabs.

                      To me it always seems like he fits the ball right in there and the reciever gets tackled almost immediately.

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                      • sahlensguy
                        Registered User
                        • Mar 2015
                        • 13466

                        #26
                        Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                        Originally posted by TacklingDummy View Post
                        Josh does throw alot of balls imto tight coverage. Some would say up for grabs.

                        I think we are seeing close to the same thing. To me it always seems like he fits the ball right in there and the reciever gets tackled almost immediately.
                        I think we are saying close to the same thing. I see when he throws it up, it's more of a reckless, low percentage throw than to a spot where the receiver can outmaneuver the coverage to go get it without a high risk of an int.

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                        • ghz in pittsburgh
                          Registered User
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 5861

                          #27
                          Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                          Every team wants a true #1. Who doesn’t want a Randy Moss even with some baggage? My point is don’t simply chase that guy. If you have a non prototypical #1 receiver ranked significantly higher, don’t take that one

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                          • sahlensguy
                            Registered User
                            • Mar 2015
                            • 13466

                            #28
                            Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                            Originally posted by ghz in pittsburgh View Post
                            Every team wants a true #1. Who doesn’t want a Randy Moss even with some baggage? My point is don’t simply chase that guy. If you have a non prototypical #1 receiver ranked significantly higher, don’t take that one
                            Don't try to hit the home run with the draft pick. Get a ground rule double and don't whiff

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                            • Historian
                              2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 61707

                              #29
                              Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                              Originally posted by sahlensguy View Post
                              Don't try to hit the home run with the draft pick. Get a ground rule double and don't whiff
                              I like the philosophy Sahlens.

                              The Watkins and Tuttle moves scare the heck out of me.

                              Depending on how the first round plays out, make a small move if you think a solid number 1 WR will drop down to 17...20...22, etc.

                              Trying to force your way into the top 10 or 12 is just too risky for a team that has a few holes and limited cap space.

                              Beane is a bright guy.

                              I'm sure he will do right by us.

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                              • ghz in pittsburgh
                                Registered User
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 5861

                                #30
                                Re: We don’t need a number one receiver…says Beanie Baby

                                I do want a home run guy. But there are different home run guys from different positions. Don’t zero in on the 1st base position and say we must get a home run guy there. The chiefs proved that over and over

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