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    Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ating-kickoffs

    The man is a complete and utter jackass. He's completely ruining the integrity of the game already, now he's thinking of removing 1/3 of the game? Could you imagine how the Patriots would completely abuse this if it were to come true? If he wasn't feeding millions upon millions of dollars to organizations his stupid ass should have been gone long ago. I won't be football anymore if he gets his way. It will be Goodell ball, and I'll stop watching.
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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Its all about safety which is absolute garbage. I agree Goodell is ruining the game.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Modern athletic training has taken the modern athlete past the point that football can be played safely. They're too big strong and fast. The lifetime accumulation of hits guarantee severe brain damage for most professional football players. Fans won't watch if they know their heroes are being slowly killed. They need at least the illusion of safety.

    The concussion problem the NFL faces is big enough to take down the game of football. I'm glad Goodell is trying to address it before he's forced to by lawmakers.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Magoo View Post
    Its all about safety which is absolute garbage. I agree Goodell is ruining the game.
    This is a quote from Ed Reed.

    "All of a sudden, the NFL is starting to get sued for all the stuff they haven't protected over the years, and they haven't done ... now you want to take it out on us?" Reed said, via Sports Illustrated. "Take it out on yourself. It's easy for them to do the things they're doing, fining us and make us look bad, like we're the bad guy, when we're not.


    "If they were really so concerned about the violence and the injuries, players getting hurt, answer this question for me: Why is there Thursday Night Football? We played three games in 17 days. Why is there Thursday Night Football? Come on, man."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon...-hits/1744505/

    I'm glad a current NFL player is calling Goodell out on his ****.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Changing the game too much is dangerous for any sport in terms of popularity. The sport of Boxing suffered for that same reason, it changed too much. It used to be the 2nd most popular sport in America next to Major League Baseball. JMO

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    in the end, tackling will be illegal for players safety and flag football is in.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    Modern athletic training has taken the modern athlete past the point that football can be played safely. They're too big strong and fast. The lifetime accumulation of hits guarantee severe brain damage for most professional football players. Fans won't watch if they know their heroes are being slowly killed. They need at least the illusion of safety.

    The concussion problem the NFL faces is big enough to take down the game of football. I'm glad Goodell is trying to address it before he's forced to by lawmakers.
    Don't want a concussion, don't play the game. Obviously you don't. Did you change Monopoly rules when your cousin was unhappy with what was happening?

    Let's put flags on the belts, cry for flags and skip to the endzone. Special team specialists know exactly what they're getting in to. (for the record, my keyboard sucks and apparently I can't get out of italics). If you are a return man, you are no longer receiving a paycheck for what you have been training for for years. Bye Bye Hester, Cribbs, Parrish. The game is no longer the football you know. If you're afraid of a concussion, quit. That simple. Don't want to have the possibility of injury, get a new job ANYWHERE. It's that easy. Good teams would manipulate this abomination of Goodell football to a T, and guess who is the front runner for that? The Patriots.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    I'm on board with taking off the pads and playing flag football! I'll still watch...

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by ServoBillieves View Post
    Don't want a concussion, don't play the game. Obviously you don't.
    The problem is violence loses it's entertainment if you know you are watching people kill themselves. Concussions cause permanent irreversible brain damage.

    I love hard fought contact football, I love big hits and tackles, they're fun to watch. But the knowing that players face permanent brain damage, changes that a bit for me and I'd assume most fans. Did you find the Kevin Everett play entertaining? I sure didn't, and I hate watching replays of it. If that type of injury happened on a weekly basis I wouldn't watch football anymore.

    Concussions happen on a weekly basis in most games. And now that we know how terrible the damage is, we need to adjust how we play to reduce the risk. Now personally, I don't think this is a good rule change and it wouldn't have much impact on concussions. But I'm glad the conversation is starting.

    As for the rest of you post, quit being a ****ing moron. I know it's hard but you can at least try.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    I kind of like the alternative proposed by Schiano

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Goodell doesn't give a shot about safety.

    its all about protecting the revenue stream.

    the Saints fiasco was a witch hunt with Greg Williams offered up as the Lee Oswald.

    the recent Brandon Spikes bs was telling.

    u have a guy out there promising to hurt people, got flagged for an illegal hit and then a few plays later knocks out one of the super stars of the league.

    he got another fine.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by coastal View Post
    Goodell doesn't give a shot about safety.

    its all about protecting the revenue stream.
    Of course.

    As a fan I'm willing to delude myself, I just need something plausible. I can't watch boxing anymore because all I see is brain damage. But I can still watch MMA, because although the fighters still get KO'd the lack of a standing eight count dramatically reduces the post KO punches. Logical? Not really but it's plausible enough that I can watch for now. In a few years if all the current champs are punchy, I probably won't keep watching.

    I really love watching football, but as the evidence mounts it's getting tougher to be a fan. I just need something to latch on to that's plausible and I'm more than happy to contribute my share to the revenue stream.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Goodell can go jump in front of a car.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by HurkeyNuts View Post
    Goodell can go jump in front of a car.
    I'll gladly drive.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    This is just completely ******ed. It was bad enough when they basically eliminated the kickoff return game which was exciting and also gave teams who worked harder an advantage by moving the kickoffs to the 35 yard line. Now they are thinking about eliminating the kickoffs altogether? That is just an awful idea. With the way the kickoff rules are now it wouldn't make that much of a difference anyway since there are very few returns anymore.

    So what would happen as far as onside kicks go? Would a team still be able to go for them when they are behind or are they done with too since their aren't anymore kickoffs. Even if they're not you're totally giving away any element of surprise and it's almost doomed to fail on the attempt. It's hard enough recovering an onside kick as it is let alone if they know you are doing it for sure which would be the case.

    As long as they are going this far you would think punt returns are just as dangerous. If that's the case then they might as well just get rid of kickers altogether and play strictly four down football without any punting with the exception of attempting a FG or extra point.

    I guess if that doesn't work for them and they still want kickers they can just have somebody kick the ball and the NFL can have a true "Punt Catcher" position like Chris Watson back in the Wade Phillips days. They can decide if they want to fair catch it or let in bounce and see where it ends up after it's downed.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    Of course.

    As a fan I'm willing to delude myself, I just need something plausible. I can't watch boxing anymore because all I see is brain damage. But I can still watch MMA, because although the fighters still get KO'd the lack of a standing eight count dramatically reduces the post KO punches. Logical? Not really but it's plausible enough that I can watch for now. In a few years if all the current champs are punchy, I probably won't keep watching.

    I really love watching football, but as the evidence mounts it's getting tougher to be a fan. I just need something to latch on to that's plausible and I'm more than happy to contribute my share to the revenue stream.
    I hear ya... it's as bad if not worse for me because of my profession.

    Based on some of your recent posts, I think you already know of what I speak of anyways.

    watxhing Fred get elbowed by Babin last week was hard... Especially after his recent concussion.

    sad actually.
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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    Modern athletic training has taken the modern athlete past the point that football can be played safely. They're too big strong and fast. The lifetime accumulation of hits guarantee severe brain damage for most professional football players. Fans won't watch if they know their heroes are being slowly killed. They need at least the illusion of safety.

    The concussion problem the NFL faces is big enough to take down the game of football. I'm glad Goodell is trying to address it before he's forced to by lawmakers.
    Pretty sure that's an exaggeration, but if anybody has any reliable statistics that 'most' suffer 'severe' brain damage I'd like to see it.

    I also think it's a little inaccurate to state fans won't watch because of the threat of a 'slow death'. I would tend to think that a good percentage watch violent sports in anticipation of witnessing the big hit in football, crushing check in hockey, fiery crash in NASCAR etc, and possibly an equal or slightly larger percentage don't consider it a factor at all.

    Next, although the players of the past may have a beef over being ignorant to long-term effects that some may eventually suffer, that's no excuse for the current crop of professionals and hasn't been for a few years...they know what they are getting into and they know the risks involved.

    Finally, just IMO, MMA is the most violent and unwatchable 'sport' I've ever witnessed, have watched very, very little of it in the past and have no desire to watch it in the future at all and it's so obvious that the risk of long term affects are probably pretty high, so from my perspective I find it slightly incredulous that somebody can rail against boxing and football but maintain viewing MMA is still bearable until the participants inevitably start suffering from the damage.
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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmifli View Post
    Modern athletic training has taken the modern athlete past the point that football can be played safely. They're too big strong and fast. The lifetime accumulation of hits guarantee severe brain damage for most professional football players. Fans won't watch if they know their heroes are being slowly killed. They need at least the illusion of safety.

    The concussion problem the NFL faces is big enough to take down the game of football. I'm glad Goodell is trying to address it before he's forced to by lawmakers.

    No, it's not. It makes too many people too much money. That's why guys like Goodell pay lip service to "making the game safer" while trying to add two games and make an 18 game schedule, and play games on Thursdays now.

    Besides, no one is forcing these guys to play. Even the lowest paid player could retire from football and work a normal job living comfortably after one season. And even without the money, lots of people actually enjoy playing the game. Where do you stand on college ball? High school?

    And as far as your assertation that "fans won't watch if they know their heroes are being slowly killed" I think you're underestimating what people will watch. You said yourself you like MMA...I find it brutal to watch someone turn another persons face into pulp.
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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    Pretty sure that's an exaggeration, but if anybody has any reliable statistics that 'most' suffer 'severe' brain damage I'd like to see it.
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/04/health...ase/index.html
    A study published Monday in the journal Brain, the most comprehensive look at CTE published thus far, adds fuel to the discussion, especially as it relates to professional football players.
    Of the 35 players, 34 of them at the professional level, who had brain tissue sampled posthumously for the study, all but one showed evidence of disease.
    CTE begins when repeated blows to the brain are not allowed to heal. With each successive blow, damage builds and a dense, abnormal protein called tau accumulates.
    In its later stages, CTE can lead to things like rage, aggression, paranoia, and suicidal thoughts.
    A link to the study for those interested:
    http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cont...07.short?rss=1
    Chronic traumatic encephalopathy is a progressive tauopathy that occurs as a consequence of repetitive mild traumatic brain injury. We analysed post-mortem brains obtained from a cohort of 85 subjects with histories of repetitive mild traumatic brain injury and found evidence of chronic traumatic encephalopathy in 68 subjects: all males, ranging in age from 17 to 98 years (mean 59.5 years), including 64 athletes, 21 military veterans (86% of whom were also athletes) and one individual who engaged in self-injurious head banging behaviour. Eighteen age- and gender-matched individuals without a history of repetitive mild traumatic brain injury served as control subjects. In chronic traumatic encephalopathy, the spectrum of hyperphosphorylated tau pathology ranged in severity from focal perivascular epicentres of neurofibrillary tangles in the frontal neocortex to severe tauopathy affecting widespread brain regions, including the medial temporal lobe, thereby allowing a progressive staging of pathology from stages I–IV. Multifocal axonal varicosities and axonal loss were found in deep cortex and subcortical white matter at all stages of chronic traumatic encephalopathy. TAR DNA-binding protein 43 immunoreactive inclusions and neurites were also found in 85% of cases, ranging from focal pathology in stages I–III to widespread inclusions and neurites in stage IV. Symptoms in stage I chronic traumatic encephalopathy included headache and loss of attention and concentration. Additional symptoms in stage II included depression, explosivity and short-term memory loss. In stage III, executive dysfunction and cognitive impairment were found, and in stage IV, dementia, word-finding difficulty and aggression were characteristic. Data on athletic exposure were available for 34 American football players; the stage of chronic traumatic encephalopathy correlated with increased duration of football play, survival after football and age at death. Chronic traumatic encephalopathy was the sole diagnosis in 43 cases (63%); eight were also diagnosed with motor neuron disease (12%), seven with Alzheimer’s disease (11%), 11 with Lewy body disease (16%) and four with frontotemporal lobar degeneration (6%). There is an ordered and predictable progression of hyperphosphorylated tau abnormalities through the nervous system in chronic traumatic encephalopathy that occurs in conjunction with widespread axonal disruption and loss. The frequent association of chronic traumatic encephalopathy with other neurodegenerative disorders suggests that repetitive brain trauma and hyperphosphorylated tau protein deposition promote the accumulation of other abnormally aggregated proteins including TAR DNA-binding protein 43, amyloid beta protein and alpha-synuclein.

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    Re: Goodell wants to eliminate kickoffs

    Quote Originally Posted by YardRat View Post
    I also think it's a little inaccurate to state fans won't watch because of the threat of a 'slow death'. I would tend to think that a good percentage watch violent sports in anticipation of witnessing the big hit in football, crushing check in hockey, fiery crash in NASCAR etc, and possibly an equal or slightly larger percentage don't consider it a factor at all.
    If injuries like Kevin Everett's happened on a weekly basis, would you still watch? I'm sure there is a contingent of fans that still would, but I wouldn't be among them.

    Next, although the players of the past may have a beef over being ignorant to long-term effects that some may eventually suffer, that's no excuse for the current crop of professionals and hasn't been for a few years...they know what they are getting into and they know the risks involved.
    I think most of the current players grew up with coaches calling a concussion something along the lines of "getting your bell rung" and treatment protocols weren't what they are now. There is still a lackadaisical attitude towards concussions as evidenced by Fred Jacksons quick return.

    Finally, just IMO, MMA is the most violent and unwatchable 'sport' I've ever witnessed, have watched very, very little of it in the past and have no desire to watch it in the future at all and it's so obvious that the risk of long term affects are probably pretty high, so from my perspective I find it slightly incredulous that somebody can rail against boxing and football but maintain viewing MMA is still bearable until the participants inevitably start suffering from the damage.
    The brutality of MMA is in the eye of the beholder. Most of the time is spent clinched against the fence or grappling on the ground. When a solid punch is landed and fighter is unable to defend himself the fight is stopped. Most fights go to a decision (which is only 3 rounds). In comparison to boxing, the fight is paused for 8 seconds to allow the fighter to "recover" and receive continued shots to the head, post knockout. It's only stopped if that happens 3 times in a round or a fighter isn't able to reach his feet despite the time to recover. In terms of opportunity for brain injury there isn't much of a comparison. Boxing presents a much more serious risk.

    Finally, I don't think I've railed against boxing or football. I've just stated that the entertainment value of contact sports really diminishes if our heroes are all ******ed. This isn't unique to football, or MMA, or Boxing or Hockey. It's something that every contact sport will need to address.

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