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    Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    So this is him vs the steelers at the beginning of the season. Notice he carries his hip, the ball comes out naturally, he keeps his body straight, and he doesnt throw himself into each pass


    https://youtu.be/N6opC-DyvBo




    vs Titans


    https://youtu.be/g1zpTg0vGZU


    Vs Dolphins week 3


    https://youtu.be/NpftkBOTu-M





    Now notice the dramatic difference in the last drive vs miami in the playoffs




    https://youtu.be/de9IuSrvlo0


    Vs the patriots end of year


    https://youtu.be/cI-nbZqjCnw


    Every int of the season. Notice how his footwork (and decision making), completely changes midway through the season


    https://youtu.be/xcJTPRjTldo




    Now i know this isnt because of his injury for 2 reasons. One, his bad footwork motion, puts WAY more strain on his arm because it becomes all arm while whipping it more, and 2, this happens every year since 2020


    This is his ints in 2020


    https://youtu.be/QuqfspOEo0c






    Then you see it this year too


    https://youtu.be/tpo8_4A_1Z8


    First half almost until the vikings game he looks fine. Then its a mess...


    This is the interesting thing. I noticed this towards the end of even last year, and he somehow managed to have 2 AMAZING playoff performances, while completely going back to "old josh" fundamentals


    Look at him vs KC


    https://youtu.be/d63gipMMUeA


    Vs Atlanta


    https://youtu.be/YyZ4solTY5E





    Compared to


    Last yr vs houston


    https://youtu.be/6S37BExhSTM


    Last year vs Miami week 6


    https://youtu.be/B7RhnhRuvWU




    Its a trend he has. Midway or even the last few weeks of each of the last few seasons, he starts whipping the ball and not using his hips fluidly. Idk if this will change. His fundamentals each year are PERFECT the first few weeks, then slowly go off the rails. I feel like ive made this same thread each of the last few years too. Its extremely obvious
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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Very quick comparison i made

    https://youtu.be/-6ZvDKnltZw

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    One would like to think if his elbow was bothering him the rest of the season he would have focused a little bit more on footwork (and shorter passes) to compensate, but apparently he didn't.
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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Hopefully it's back to Jordan Palmer for an offseason tuneup in a few weeks.
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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    I noticed he threw off his back foot alot down the stretch.

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    I think it's hero ball. Early in the season, everything was clicking. Josh could relax and concentrate on the fundamentals without thinking he needs to do something spectacular to win the game. After the bye, basically every game was a dogfight. I think he felt the need to win the game himself, so he was running around looking for the huge play and not concentrating on the basics.

    I'm starting to doubt that the Beane/McD/Allen combo will ever get us a title. They score a lot of points. They win a lot of games. It's so much better than the drought years. But they can't get past the juggernauts.

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Astounding that this team was two seconds and a bad snap from being 15-1

    i appreciate the work and effort put into these threads but I’m beyond over analyzing the past that cannot change.

    go Bills.

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    Astounding that this team was two seconds and a bad snap from being 15-1

    i appreciate the work and effort put into these threads but I’m beyond over analyzing the past that cannot change.

    go Bills.
    Even if we were 15-1 we still would have gotten crushed by the Bengals. We're just not ready to beat the elite teams in the playoffs.

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    Astounding that this team was two seconds and a bad snap from being 15-1

    i appreciate the work and effort put into these threads but I’m beyond over analyzing the past that cannot change.

    go Bills.

    Its not that. Its the thing that made him a star that he just cannot consistently maintain for some reason. He loses it the longer the season goes on
    I made this to fully explain what i mean. Look at his center, follow through, and hips. Its alarming that it goes from one thing to another in one season


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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Quote Originally Posted by Cali512 View Post
    Its not that. Its the thing that made him a star that he just cannot consistently maintain for some reason. He loses it the longer the season goes on
    I made this to fully explain what i mean. Look at his center, follow through, and hips. Its alarming that it goes from one thing to another in one season


    https://youtu.be/sbZv3RBsGas
    Maybe we just need to pay Jordan Palmer to be on our staff and coach Josh all year.

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    I'm starting to doubt that the Beane/McD/Allen combo will ever get us a title. They score a lot of points. They win a lot of games. It's so much better than the drought years. But they can't get past the juggernauts.
    Should have let McD go last year after the 13 seconds and promoted Daboll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sahlensguy View Post
    Should have let McD go last year after the 13 seconds and promoted Daboll.
    In hindsight, I agree with you. At the time, no one would have made that call. In January of 2022, McD had us in the playoffs 4 times in 5 years, with 2 straight division titles and 3 wins in playoff games, after a 17 year playoff drought. And, I remember people questioning Daboll's playcalling, and we had no idea at the time that he'd be a good head coach.

    Knowing what we know now, about the Bills choking in the playoffs again and Daboll resurrecting the Giants overnight, I'd go back in time and fire McD in favor of Daboll in a second. In the moment, though, it just wouldn't have made sense.

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    Astounding that this team was two seconds and a bad snap from being 15-1

    i appreciate the work and effort put into these threads but I’m beyond over analyzing the past that cannot change.

    go Bills.
    I agree, we should just cut or trade Allen, eat his cap hit and try for 17 years to find his replacement. We all know he sucks!

    While we’re at it, fire this entire coaching staff and bring in Lovie Smith, he’s got a lot of NFL experience cause no other experienced coach will come to Buffalo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    I agree, we should just cut or trade Allen, eat his cap hit and try for 17 years to find his replacement. We all know he sucks!
    Or, maybe Josh and the coaches can pay more attention to his footwork over the course of the season?

    Pointing out that a player can do something better doesn't mean someone wants him off the team. FFS.

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    I think it's hero ball. Early in the season, everything was clicking. Josh could relax and concentrate on the fundamentals without thinking he needs to do something spectacular to win the game. After the bye, basically every game was a dogfight. I think he felt the need to win the game himself, so he was running around looking for the huge play and not concentrating on the basics.
    I agree with Op here. Add the fact that Josh is consistently under pressure behind a crap OL, and the situation is exasperated even further.

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    Or, maybe Josh and the coaches can pay more attention to his footwork over the course of the season?

    Pointing out that a player can do something better doesn't mean someone wants him off the team. FFS.
    How about he should have been selfish and said f**k the season and sat out after he hurt his elbow. Oh course his throwing motion and footwork changed!

    Yes, the OC should go, but hell you guys especially you can’t stand winning . Did the season end the way we hoped, no. But the endless attacks on the best quarterback we’ve had since Kelly, a coach that has brought a winning attitude back to this team. Do they need to change some things yes, but how about acknowledging that Allen played hurt and probably shouldn’t have, at the very least he should have not played for 3-4 weeks after the injury.
    Yes there needs to be some things fixed and/or changed, but again the endless attacks but a few on Allen is crazy. I’m waiting for the annual thread to start that we could have had Mahomes!

    Will he ever bring us a SB win who knows, but I’ll take my chances
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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    How about he should have been selfish and said f**k the season and sat out after he hurt his elbow. Oh course his throwing motion and footwork changed!

    Yes, the OC should go, but hell you guys especially you can’t stand winning . Did the season end the way we hoped, no. But the endless attacks on the best quarterback we’ve had since Kelly, a coach that has brought a winning attitude back to this team. Do they need to change some things yes, but how about acknowledging that Allen played hurt and probably shouldn’t have, at the very least he should have not played for 3-4 weeks after the injury.
    Yes there needs to be some things fixed and/or changed, but again the endless attacks but a few on Allen is crazy. I’m waiting for the annual thread to start that we could have had Mahomes!

    Will he ever bring us a SB win who knows, but I’ll take my chances
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    I disagree. If OP can do this analysis then so can a coach -- which means they don't work the issue. They don't coach up Josh Allen in favor of their Allen or bust attitude.

    Do you doubt that is true? Then why does the same behavior continue to happen like it is groundhog day?

    McDermott is very slow to adjust. He is narrowminded and loyal to a fault. This team is not going to rise to the top under his leadership until HE changes. He's not changing. It's time to sever and move onto someone who will coach Allen about constraints and not being a haphazard wreck.

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Quote Originally Posted by OpIv37 View Post
    In hindsight, I agree with you. At the time, no one would have made that call. In January of 2022, McD had us in the playoffs 4 times in 5 years, with 2 straight division titles and 3 wins in playoff games, after a 17 year playoff drought. And, I remember people questioning Daboll's playcalling, and we had no idea at the time that he'd be a good head coach.

    Knowing what we know now, about the Bills choking in the playoffs again and Daboll resurrecting the Giants overnight, I'd go back in time and fire McD in favor of Daboll in a second. In the moment, though, it just wouldn't have made sense.
    Yeah, I think I called for this a year ago without even knowing Daboll would have the year he did. Anyway...Allen's success earlier this year was mostly a carry over from last year and Daboll. Now we're stuck with a defensive HC and the top offensive coach whi is a lunatic new guy. Allen surely won't peak with that leadership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Typ0 View Post
    I disagree. If OP can do this analysis then so can a coach -- which means they don't work the issue. They don't coach up Josh Allen in favor of their Allen or bust attitude.

    Do you doubt that is true? Then why does the same behavior continue to happen like it is groundhog day?

    McDermott is very slow to adjust. He is narrowminded and loyal to a fault. This team is not going to rise to the top under his leadership until HE changes. He's not changing. It's time to sever and move onto someone who will coach Allen about constraints and not being a haphazard wreck.
    Nope everything Op said is correct, but all these threads and posts about his play are over the top, especially a few posters and not names Op. I would blame his footwork and throwing motion on his injury, OC/QB coach and yes Josh. Again, Josh probably shouldn’t have played 3 or 4 games right after the injury. Yes he could throw but at what cost, exactly what we are talking about in this thread. I have seen posts that Josh is even responsible for Davis’s catch percentage drop even though Beasley and Diggs were above league average.

    What scares the hell out of me is his confidence. Go back and watch a few plays from the first couple games, then watch them after the injury and especially the last couple game when he was taking those sacks He has the look as Losman, and Johnson at the end, confused, deer in the headlights and unconfident

    Hopefully he heals up, gets some good coaching and advice and most importantly, some O-line help!

    BTW, does anyone think Josh is okay with his deficiencies?

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    Re: Josh allens footwork gets progressively bad every year

    Nobody's whining about his footwork when he's throwing 60 yard dimes off of his back foot, on the run.

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