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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    Me neither, but our new Poyer is on that list.

    Philly won’t let him go, he would be good Chauncey Gardner-Johnson!
    Owens from Houston stood out to me at the bottom, but they just hired Ryans and have a load of cap, so he's not going anywhere.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    He's 33 but Gipson is still playing at a high level and would be super cheap. 5 picks this year.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    What the Bills need, are their current rookies and second year guys to simply play better.

    When I think of how many rookies made a big impact this year, I get pissed, because our guys aren't cutting it, be it pass rush, blocking, or pass defending.

    Time to step up.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    I'd like Poyer back on a 2 year deal but it's not happening. I know they want Benford to step up but lets be ****ing real, he hasn't taken a single snap at the position during an NFL game, they have no way of projecting how he'll do. It's a high risk, boom or bust type decision.

    It's a tough situation, can say that a lot this offseason.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    What the Bills need, are their current rookies and second year guys to simply play better.

    When I think of how many rookies made a big impact this year, I get pissed, because our guys aren't cutting it, be it pass rush, blocking, or pass defending.

    Time to step up.
    Here’s another difference between our coaches and others i. e . Reid. McD doesn’t like using rookie so he doesn’t instill confidence in them. Reid drafted 5 rookie DB’s and they all contributed last night. He drafts them and say we need you to come in and play well immediately. McD says step back and learn.

    How much better off is KC going into next year!
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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Bills use rookies? I’m so confused.

    Rousseau as a rookie and Basham… played a lot. Oliver, Elam, Benford, Shakir, Cook Hamlin all played as rookies

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    Bills use rookies? I’m so confused.

    Rousseau as a rookie and Basham… played a lot. Oliver, Elam, Benford, Shakir, Cook Hamlin all played as rookies
    Yes, McD is not comfortable using rookies, it’s pretty much common knowledge

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    Yes, McD is not comfortable using rookies, it’s pretty much common knowledge
    Where have rookies NOT played? Who?

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    Yes, McD is not comfortable using rookies, it’s pretty much common knowledge
    Where have rookies NOT played? Who?

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    Where have rookies NOT played? Who?
    Do you always like to make stupid comments or just here? Again if you follow this team at all this can’t be the first time you’ve heard McD isn’t comfortable starting rookies!

    Anyway here are some examples of rookie percentages of playing time:

    Bills: Chiefs
    RB Cook 24.79%. Pacheco 35.55% (started the SB)
    CB Elam 45.39%* McDuffie 59.61% (started the SB) Elam’s % was more to do to injuries.
    LB Spector 1.47%. DE Karlafris 63.59%

    Of the rookies that were in KC’s 53 man roster, the lowered percentage of PT was 22.74 % Bills 1.47%.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    Do you always like to make stupid comments or just here? Again if you follow this team at all this can’t be the first time you’ve heard McD isn’t comfortable starting rookies!

    Anyway here are some examples of rookie percentages of playing time:

    Bills: Chiefs
    RB Cook 24.79%. Pacheco 35.55% (started the SB)
    CB Elam 45.39%* McDuffie 59.61% (started the SB) Elam’s % was more to do to injuries.
    LB Spector 1.47%. DE Karlafris 63.59%

    Of the rookies that were in KC’s 53 man roster, the lowered percentage of PT was 22.74 % Bills 1.47%.
    I wasn’t being a smart ass at all. McD played rookies which is what you claimed he didn’t do based on credibility.

    who was the RB on the roster ahead of Pacheco?

    is that percentage of plays or running plays for the rookies?

    did Elam have issues in coverage early on? He still played a lot.

    is Pacheco better than Cook?

    how about Singletary?

    why we even talking about this?

    if you select a player that doesn’t fit your schemes and he is forced to learn it… there ya go.

    pacheco did a lot that Hill did with sweeps and pitch outs.

    Bills dont do any of those… maybe 5 times a season. So Cook is asked to run Singletary’s plays. He is great at catching… they don’t throw to backs… I think Cook recovered nicely from his first ever touch.


    Bills bring in Hines… not a rook and yet he is in on a dozen O plays total…

    it’s not the green nature of the rookies. It’s the inflexibility of scheme to play to the players strengths.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Sp cypress is a special teams roster filler.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by sukie View Post
    Where have rookies NOT played? Who?
    Here’s the point, I never said they don’t play, you did. I said McD doesn’t like playing rookies.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by kgun12 View Post
    Here’s another difference between our coaches and others i. e . Reid. McD doesn’t like using rookie so he doesn’t instill confidence in them. Reid drafted 5 rookie DB’s and they all contributed last night. He drafts them and say we need you to come in and play well immediately. McD says step back and learn.

    How much better off is KC going into next year!
    It's the Patriot blueprint for keeping a team competitive in the salary cap era.

    Every time some uppity veteran wanted more money, BB traded them for picks.

    Next man up mentality.

    As an aside....if they overpay for Poyer and/or Edmunds I will be upset.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    The more I read, the more I believe Benford will be the Free Safety

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    A lot is going to depend on what Poyer finds in FA interest.

    He want a big payday with several years. Never assume that it won’t happen, but, it does seem unlikely considering his age and his injury prone 2022 season.

    Drafting a S sometime in rounds 2-4 seems pretty likely. Moving Benford to S is probably a sure thing. Hope he can pick it up well.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    It's the Patriot blueprint for keeping a team competitive in the salary cap era.

    Every time some uppity veteran wanted more money, BB traded them for picks.

    Next man up mentality.

    As an aside....if they overpay for Poyer and/or Edmunds I will be upset.
    I would agree with you but their signing say the opposite of BB and the Patriots way. Diggs, Miller, White, Dawkins, Milano, Morse and Hyde account for roughly 45% of this teams cap and that doesn’t even include Allen!
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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Looks like a very top notch HC can make up for some player deficientcies. And unfortunately in Buffalo, McDermott is not it. People should realize now - I'm thinking Terry Pergula can see it as well. This by no means he would/should get rid of MCDermott. It's like getting Allen, a lot of luck involved and you take a wrong step, 17 years drought could happen again.

    What I'm saying is that we are in the mold of Cowher, Dungy and many other superbowl winning coaches that you need player talent and one of those years when everything coming together to get to the top. We have the hardest piece, the QB in hand.

    Those players kgun12 mentioned was for the strategy that they believe they have enough talent. Turns out they are not. And those guys might have peaked already, in other words, we have seen what they can do at their best. Still not enough. To me the strategy has to be drafting better, hoping to get true stars, no matter the position. Let the natural attrition course to take place: Hyde will roll off thesqud after next year. Milano likely the year after. Don't go chase with big flash contracts again.

    I do think investing more in O-Line is a a way to go this year. Trench is to the point we need new quality blood for the next 4, 5 years without paying quality money.

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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Historian View Post
    It's the Patriot blueprint for keeping a team competitive in the salary cap era.

    Every time some uppity veteran wanted more money, BB traded them for picks.

    Next man up mentality.

    As an aside....if they overpay for Poyer and/or Edmunds I will be upset.
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    Re: kgun's "Where do we go?"....Safety

    Quote Originally Posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    The more I read, the more I believe Benford will be the Free Safety
    Might as well pencil him in right now.

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