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  • YardRat
    Well, lookie here...
    • Dec 2004
    • 86147

    #91
    Re: Fire Frazier

    KCs D is getting better over the last three seasons, Buffalo's is getting worse.
    KC's D has never allowed 29.5 points per game in the playoffs, Buffalo's has two seasons in a row.

    Thanks for supporting the premise.
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    • Mace
      Haha...yeah you think so ?
      • Mar 2013
      • 20315

      #92
      Re: Fire Frazier

      My Mom always used to say, if that other kid jumps off a cliff, he's probably got an angle and it won't work well for you if you blindly follow him.

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      • Historian
        2020-2023 AFC East Champions!
        • Dec 2002
        • 61708

        #93
        Re: Fire Frazier

        I think key injuries, specifically on defense, sunk us this year.

        We are old and injury prone in some areas, and too young an inexperienced in others.

        Still, to go 14-4 with all our injuries is an accomplishment.

        Unfortunately, now we are up against the cap.

        Beane is going to need to get real creative.

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        • notacon
          Registered User
          • Aug 2012
          • 32994

          #94
          Re: Fire Frazier

          Originally posted by Mace View Post
          We're not KC. They're going to another Super Bowl, already won one. Our season is over.

          That's about as relevant as it gets, and no helping you if the point is beyond you.

          I can't give a crap about how well or poorly KC did in "their games", they beat the Bengals and are going to the Super Bowl. Means nothing to the Bills, They didn't and are not, and that's pretty simple, cut and dried and take it to the bank.
          That’s the point.

          Again, the idea that "This defense sucks in the playoffs, plain and simple” is just true and it certainly is NOT “obvious”.

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          Originally posted by YardRat View Post
          KCs D is getting better over the last three seasons, Buffalo's is getting worse.
          KC's D has never allowed 29.5 points per game in the playoffs, Buffalo's has two seasons in a row.

          Thanks for supporting the premise.
          What claptrap. Just so you can **** on the Bills defense. How pathetic.

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          • Mace
            Haha...yeah you think so ?
            • Mar 2013
            • 20315

            #95
            Re: Fire Frazier

            Originally posted by notacon View Post
            That’s the point.

            Again, the idea that "This defense sucks in the playoffs, plain and simple” is just true and it certainly is NOT “obvious”.

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            What claptrap. Just so you can **** on the Bills defense. How pathetic.
            Sure it's true and obvious. All you have to do is watch the games to see them crumple, and comprehend what you're seeing. Surrendering an average of 371 yards over 9 playoff games, speaks for itself.

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            • Typ0
              honey pie
              • Jul 2002
              • 32592

              #96
              Re: Fire Frazier

              Originally posted by notacon View Post
              So, you are backtracking from the premise that "The sad thing is the defense needs quite a retooling right now. You might as well call it a rebuild.”??

              1. The point is that the defense, and the team “look(s) a bit different” every year. Let season there was over a 25% turnover in the roster.

              2. And saying that "
              We aren't going to make any big acquisitions on either side of the ball and going to need to shift money around just to have a roster” is opposite of the idea that "the defense needs quite a retooling right now. You might as well call it a rebuild”.

              I don’t buy what you are trying to sell.


              1. Last year was a good example of what you said: let's try and get better. This year we have some key players either not going to play next year or leaving as free agents. We have holes and shoes to fill and less $$$ to do that.

              2. No it is not the opposite it compounds the issue stated above.

              And the biggest problem is the offense has to get better as well. We really need WR and LT. Allen needs WR and LT.

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              • notacon
                Registered User
                • Aug 2012
                • 32994

                #97
                Re: Fire Frazier

                Originally posted by Typ0 View Post
                1. Last year was a good example of what you said: let's try and get better. This year we have some key players either not going to play next year or leaving as free agents. We have holes and shoes to fill and less $$$ to do that.

                2. No it is not the opposite it compounds the issue stated above.

                And the biggest problem is the offense has to get better as well. We really need WR and LT. Allen needs WR and LT.
                The point is that the OFFENSE is THE OVERRIDING problem. NOT the defense. Every game we lost in 2022 was because of the failures of the OFFENSE.


                It’s crystal clear and undeniable.

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                • sukie
                  Seriously?
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 21507

                  #98
                  Re: Fire Frazier

                  Defense was really abused vs Cincy that abuse and 14 point hole is not on the offense.

                  the offense put up great numbers against a lot of weak teams but seriously this teams defense should never be part of a shoot out. Never. That is a D failure.

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                  • notacon
                    Registered User
                    • Aug 2012
                    • 32994

                    #99
                    Re: Fire Frazier

                    Originally posted by sukie View Post
                    Defense was really abused vs Cincy that abuse and 14 point hole is not on the offense.

                    the offense put up great numbers against a lot of weak teams but seriously this teams defense should never be part of a shoot out. Never. That is a D failure.
                    That is not accurate. The main reason the Bills got into a 14 point hole vs Cincy was because the offense failed miserably. After each of Cincy’s TD drives, the Bills offense looked like TOTAL **** and had consecutive three and outs.

                    After each of Cincy’s scores, the Bills offense **** THE BED.

                    Cincy TD, 7-0, next drive Buffalo goes three and out, punt.

                    Cincy TD after the Bills punt, 14-0, next drive Buffalo goes three and out, punt.

                    Bills force a Cincy punt, and the Bills finally score a TD, 14-7.

                    Cincy takes the ensuing kickoff and the Bills defense holds them to a FG....17-7.

                    Bills take the insuring kickoff and, what else, punts. End of 1st half, Cincy up 17-7.

                    Bills take the second half kickoff and instead of scoring a TD to get within 3 points, get to the Bengals SEVEN YARD LINE and can't get in...FG. 17-10.

                    Cincy takes the kickoff and scores another TD....24-10.

                    Bills responds with ANOTHER three and out....punt.

                    Cincy drives to the Bills two yard line, the Bills defense stops them....FG...27-10.

                    Bills “drive” to Cincy 16 yard line....cannot get in, turn over on downs.

                    Yes, the defense was not stellar, but, the offense was ABYSMALLY BAD. BAD, BAD, BAD. It is NOT the defenses fault if the offense scores only 10 points. As I have detailed already, in the NFL, if you score only 10 points you will LOSE almost ALL THE TIME!!!!

                    And, as has been detailed many, many times, the OFFENSE was at the root of the three losses the Bills suffered during the season. The DEFENSE, despite being hit with injuries to several of their BEST players, still performed at a very high level.

                    You want to be blind to reality, that’s your problem. The OFFENSE is what needs the most work. NOT the defense.

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                    • sukie
                      Seriously?
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 21507

                      Re: Fire Frazier

                      3 and outs … that is not why the D let 14 easy ones get on the board. A healthy D vs a make shift OLine is supposed to cause 3 and outs.

                      Cincy caused them.

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                      • sukie
                        Seriously?
                        • Sep 2012
                        • 21507

                        Re: Fire Frazier

                        The D especially the line was abused by nobodies. It was a horrendous showing.

                        in 2 playoff games the leader in oases defended was Edmunds with 2… 2!

                        the DBs played poorly in the playoffs.

                        the pass rush blew after thanksgiving.


                        now offensively there was no adjustment for Josh with long routes taking too much time. The OLine got abused and that’s a problem. Dorsey had zero game plan… Cincy went short Quick release. And they ran


                        Buffalo had no RB over the middle no TE outlets… everything was deep and outside… in slick conditions.

                        but to claim the D didn’t have a major hand in the loss is just wrong.

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                        • Typ0
                          honey pie
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 32592

                          Re: Fire Frazier

                          Originally posted by sukie View Post
                          3 and outs … that is not why the D let 14 easy ones get on the board. A healthy D vs a make shift OLine is supposed to cause 3 and outs.

                          Cincy caused them.
                          Our defense seems to be designed to let them march downfield and kick a field goal!

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                          • Mace
                            Haha...yeah you think so ?
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 20315

                            Re: Fire Frazier

                            Originally posted by Typ0 View Post
                            Our defense seems to be designed to let them march downfield and kick a field goal!
                            That's more our offense. D is designed to let them score touchdowns and rake in 3rd or 4th and longs with improbable gains.

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                            • YardRat
                              Well, lookie here...
                              • Dec 2004
                              • 86147

                              Re: Fire Frazier

                              Originally posted by notacon View Post
                              The point is that the OFFENSE is THE OVERRIDING problem. NOT the defense. Every game we lost in 2022 was because of the failures of the OFFENSE.


                              It’s crystal clear and undeniable.
                              What games did they win because of the defense? Zero.
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                              • notacon
                                Registered User
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 32994

                                Re: Fire Frazier

                                Originally posted by YardRat View Post
                                What games did they win because of the defense? Zero.
                                What games did they LOSE because of the defense? ZERO!!

                                What games did they LOSE because of the offense?.....every game we DID lose....Miami, Jets, Minny, Cincy.

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