Kelsay's yearly salary is on the NFLPA site now...

[Michael82]

Check it out. It isn't as bad as first assumed. :up:

Kelsay, Chris
DE (#)
Year: 2003

Buffalo Bills
Round: 2

Auburn, NE
Position: 16

Salary History


2007 1000000.00
2008 1400000.00
2009 3000000.00
2010 3700000.00

http://www.nflpa.org/Resources/ActivePlayerSearch.aspx?id=34487

[Night Train]

Check it out. It isn't as bad as first assumed. :up:

Kelsay, Chris
DE (#)
Year: 2003

Buffalo Bills
Round: 2

Auburn, NE
Position: 16

Salary History


2007 1000000.00
2008 1400000.00
2009 3000000.00
2010 3700000.00

http://www.nflpa.org/Resources/ActivePlayerSearch.aspx?id=34487



LOL ! My friend at work was shoulder surfing and saw your post. Starts yelling " 10 Mil,14 Mil and then up to 30 !! WTF !! " ( completely serious ).

He'll be my manager within 5 years. Watch.

[Michael82]

LOL ! My friend at work was shoulder surfing and saw your post. Starts yelling " 10 Mil,14 Mil and then up to 30 !! WTF !! " ( completely serious ).

He'll be my manager within 5 years. Watch.
:lmao: I wondered how long until someone would think that those numbers are higher than they really are. And you are right, he will either be your boss or a President of some company. :sigh:

[Canadian'eh!]

what are his bonuses?

[Michael82]

what are his bonuses?
it only puts out the yearly salary. I bet his contract has a bunch of roster bonuses and incentives to make it worth the $24 million that was reported.

[gr8slayer]

That's freaking nothing. Good signing Marv. "The most important free agents are your own" - The Marv.

Back heavy contract, doesn't work out cut him in a couple of years.

[Forward_Lateral]

it only puts out the yearly salary. I bet his contract has a bunch of roster bonuses and incentives to make it worth the $24 million that was reported.

Wait. I thought they would only give bonuses that would count against THIS year's cap? I'm confused.

[Michael82]

That's freaking nothing. Good signing Marv. "The most important free agents are your own" - The Marv.

Back heavy contract, doesn't work out cut him in a couple of years.
EXACTLY! :hi5:

[Italian Stallion]

So his cap figure is $1 million? wow

I think people can stop *****ing now, that nothing.

[gr8slayer]

So his cap figure is $1 million? wow

I think people can stop *****ing now, that nothing.
Seriously. The sky is not falling.

[Jan Reimers]

I hope some of you take back at least some of the bad things you've said about Marv.

We do tend to jump to conclusions on this board.

[Michael82]

So his cap figure is $1 million? wow

I think people can stop *****ing now, that nothing.
no, thats his yearly salary. He must be getting a pretty good signing bonus to make his cap number about $6 or $7 million

[G. Host]

Probably a big roster bonus due between years three and four ($5-7 M) making the contract really a three year deal worth $12-14 M ($12-14 + $5-7 M + $5.4 M).

[Italian Stallion]

no, thats his yearly salary. He must be getting a pretty good signing bonus to make his cap number about $6 or $7 million

who said that the cap number was in that range? After seeing this it might be signifigantly lower than what John Clayton thinks it is

[Michael82]

I hope some of you take back at least some of the bad things you've said about Marv.

We do tend to jump to conclusions on this board.
I've actually loved all the moves so far, except the Tim Anderson signing. The Shaud Williams signing bugs me a bit, but I'm sure he's getting pennies. :D

Surprisingly I've been pretty calm so far. Let's see how long that lasts. :ontome:

[JJamezz]

He'll be my manager within 5 years. Watch.

:rofl:

[raphael120]

1 Mil plus some of his signing bonus that's paid upfront and is counted against this years cap...

[Michael82]

Probably a big roster bonus due between years three and four ($5-7 M) making the contract really a three year deal worth $12-14 M ($12-14 + $5-7 M + $5.4 M).
That's what I was thinking. He's basically getting about $3.5 to $4 million a year. Not bad at all, considering the fact that they kept him out of the market and he's a young DE that is improving each year.

[Michael82]

who said that the cap number was in that range? After seeing this it might be signifigantly lower than what John Clayton thinks it is
John Clayton is a moron. I wouldn't be surprised if the cap number is only $5 million. That's actually pretty damn good. And I bet that Marv's Cash to Cap number is about $7 million.

[SquishDaFish]

LOL @ all the idiots ready to jump off a bridge over his resigning. IMO it was a good move to get him back. He wasnt really the weak link on the line. Tim Anderson on the other hand is a move I HATE! But he really isnt back in the fold and could still be gone.

[YardRat]

I take it the sky isn't falling after all?

[raphael120]

I read on a site that the Bills, after all these resignings, ate up a 1/3 of their allotted cap for FA. They say it's a shade above $20 mil, which is pretty good considering we signed back our one major FA and a bunch of depth guys. Meaning we have some money to throw around...whether it's a big signing or just a bunch of small guys...leanin towards the latter there, we have some good room to make a impact on the kiddie end of the FA pool.

[Devin]

Wow clump was pretty close, i bet they gave him 6-7 mil up front. His hit this year is prob 7-8 mil.

[The Spaz]

Oh whiner's fess up and say you we're wrong!!!

[SquishDaFish]

Spaz they wont admit they were wrong. They just like to complain about the sky being blue. Just let them go on and on. Its amusing.

[Mudflap1]

As for the bonuses... Marv said the SIGNING BONUS will not be amortized over the length of the deal, that will be allocated immediately towards this year's cap. Roster bonuses are different, and would be allocated 100% for whatever year's cap the roster bonus is to come in. Roster bonuses are not guaranteed.

Jon

[Mr. Pink]

I'm still perplexed over this personally...13 million of this deal is guaranteed.

From what we've been told and read. The Bills aren't amoritizing the bonuses and paying everything up front for "cash to cap" accounting.

So does that mean the 13 million guaranteed is going against this cap? What is Kelsays' exact cap number? Do we know yet?

And if you're gonna lump me on being a whiner, I will not say I'm wrong for saying a situational/rotational DE is not worth 24 mill over 4 years with 13 of it guaranteed.

[Michael82]

I'm still perplexed over this personally...13 million of this deal is guaranteed.

From what we've been told and read. The Bills aren't amoritizing the bonuses and paying everything up front for "cash to cap" accounting.

So does that mean the 13 million guaranteed is going against this cap? What is Kelsays' exact cap number? Do we know yet?

And if you're gonna lump me on being a whiner, I will not say I'm wrong for saying a situational/rotational DE is not worth 24 mill over 4 years with 13 of it guaranteed.
The $13 million was a number tossed around from John Clayton or something. I wouldn't be surprised if it was half of that.

[Tatonka]

this was my point all along. the guy got a fair deal.. the bills came out ok too.. did they overpay slightly? SURE! but it wasnt by much.. and just like all the other good deals jim overdorf has put in place, he did it again with this one.

the bills are banking on kelsay becoming a good player. they didnt pay him based solely on what he has done. they are paying him on what they expect him to become as well.

and if he doesnt work out, he will get cut and never see about half of that 24 million that was reported. hell, that 24 million may not even be accurate, which is what i was saying all along.. lets see what the REAL numbers are.. but some people *coughPATandOPcough* just cant help jumping the gun.

i am not unhappy with his resigning at all.

[Tatonka]

the Signing bonus + this years salary is what will count against this years cap to cash amount.. and i guess any roster bonus that may be due to him this year.. but typically, they wouldnt give him a roster bonus this year as well as a signing bonus. roster bonuses are usually in later years of the deal.

[Devin]

I'm still perplexed over this personally...13 million of this deal is guaranteed.

From what we've been told and read. The Bills aren't amoritizing the bonuses and paying everything up front for "cash to cap" accounting.

So does that mean the 13 million guaranteed is going against this cap? What is Kelsays' exact cap number? Do we know yet?

And if you're gonna lump me on being a whiner, I will not say I'm wrong for saying a situational/rotational DE is not worth 24 mill over 4 years with 13 of it guaranteed.

I agree with you, however unfortunatley thats not just the Bills thats every team. Kelsay is merely lucky this was the year he had his contract come up.

Unfortunatley for the Bills this trend will only continue. Hence Ralphs worries.

But thats a whole other thread.....or 100.

[Michael82]

Now guys, here's Aaron Schobel's yearly salary. It looks very similar, but don't forget that Schobel got his deal before the salary cap jumped up another $23 million. :eek:


Schobel, Aaron
DE (#94)
Year: 2001

Buffalo Bills
Round: 2

Columbus, TX
Position: 15

Salary History

2005 1000000.00
2006 2000000.00
2007 2500000.00
2008 2500000.00
2009 3000000.00

[patmoran2006]

That's freaking nothing. Good signing Marv. "The most important free agents are your own" - The Marv.

Back heavy contract, doesn't work out cut him in a couple of years.

Cut him in a couple of years.

Uh huh, great investment there on a $13 million guarentee.

[patmoran2006]

Oh whiner's fess up and say you we're wrong!!!
Wrong? You wanna bet his cap hit this year is at least 5.5 million?

[Jan Reimers]

this was my point all along. the guy got a fair deal.. the bills came out ok too.. did they overpay slightly? SURE! but it wasnt by much.. and just like all the other good deals jim overdorf has put in place, he did it again with this one.

the bills are banking on kelsay becoming a good player. they didnt pay him based solely on what he has done. they are paying him on what they expect him to become as well.

and if he doesnt work out, he will get cut and never see about half of that 24 million that was reported. hell, that 24 million may not even be accurate, which is what i was saying all along.. lets see what the REAL numbers are.. but some people *coughPATandOPcough* just cant help jumping the gun.

i am not unhappy with his resigning at all.
I totally agree. Kelsay has increased his total tackles, sacks and passes defended each year. I know Freeney had some injuries last season, but Kelsay had 61 tackles to Freeney's 29, one more pass defended, and the same amount of sacks, 5.5. I believe, also, that Kelsay has not missed a game in 4 years.

I don't understand all the consternation over re-signing a good, productive, up-and-coming player.

[The Spaz]

Wrong? You wanna bet his cap hit this year is at least 5.5 million?

Wanna bet you are a whiner?:dance: :bandwagon

[Tatonka]

Wrong? You wanna bet his cap hit this year is at least 5.5 million?

rofl.. you were saying 16 million 2 days ago.

[justasportsfan]

I don't understand all the consternation over re-signing a good, productive, up-and-coming player. I think Kelsay turned down an interview with Pat. Op, well he's OP. He find something to complain about even if we signed a probowl DT.

[Tatonka]

op would talk about how the pro bowl voting is tainted and that the guy is not good and we overpaid. :snicker:

[Michael82]

Chris Kelsay is our Phil Hansen. That's why they locked him up. :up:

[Bert102176]

Billsin05 it is pretty funny watching people make asses of them selves

[patmoran2006]

Kelsay is a GREAT DE.. He is EXTEMELY deserving of this contract.. He should be paid on par with the upper class DE's of the NFL.. He's deserving!

Now please see my custom-made avatar.

[Tatonka]

that must be what people who know you do so they dont have to listen to your mouth anymore.

:snicker:

[madness]

that must be what people who know you do so they dont have to listen to your mouth anymore.

:snicker:

Either way, you still end up listening to ****. :evil:

:jk:

[Bert102176]

I mean hell people aren't even letting free agency start and they are ready to throw the season for a loss

[TacklingDummy]

So his cap figure is $1 million? wow

I think people can stop *****ing now, that nothing.

His NFL cap number is around that much.

Don't forget that Buffalo is using "cash to cap" (hard cap) and whatever Kelsey is being paid this year is going to come out of the $33 million the Bills have in cap room.

[G. Host]

Wanna bet you are a whiner?:dance: :bandwagon

Fat Tony would probably be willing to give favorable odds for that bet.

[GarnOFreak]

okay those base salry numbers kinda make sense from what was announced by media before. 4 years at $5.75mil AVERAGE. So, $23 mil total contract, they said $14mil in GTD money, which means $9mil in total base salary, check. I gues the roster bonuses total up to $14mil then? Is it something like 8/2/2/2 million for roster bonuses? That would kinda make sense, If so, that would be why between the Shaud, Greer, (etc) recent signings they just said we have about $20 million left to spend before we hit the cap. Sure would love to have the exact number, but I guess we just have to wait and see.

[Michael82]

Wow clump was pretty close, i bet they gave him 6-7 mil up front. His hit this year is prob 7-8 mil.
BUMP for Clump!!! :dance:

[clumping platelets]

:movie:

[BillsFever21]

Before everyone was talking about how poor our DE's were opposite of Schobel and how we need an upgrade. Now that the Bills go out and give up 14 million in bonuses he's all of a sudden an "up and coming player"

An "up and coming" player just like all the junk we signed last season according to the same people. The same homers said the same thing last year. They are only "up and coming" if the Bills signed him.

It's amazing how somebody can change their mind so fast. For years they talked about how we needed an upgrade over Kelsay and some even talked about trying to draft Jamal Anderson this season. All it takes is an overpaid contract and now all of a sudden the same people say we're set at DE and how he's an "up and coming star" That's the life of a homer.

[Philagape]

According to the News today, Kelsay's 2007 cost is $12 MILLION: $8 mil signing bonus, $1 mil salary, another $3 mil bonus. So for a cash-to-cap team, that would be a $12 MILLION cap hit??

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20070302/1027966.asp