Interesting analysis of Schonert firing

[TigerJ]

Over at Buffalo Rumblings, Brian Galliford has written an interesting analysis of the firing of Schonert, in essence saying that the "Pop Warner" philosophy is similar to the philosophy employed by the Indianapolis Colts. Peyton Manning explained in a SI interview with Dan Patrick, comparing San Diego with Indianapolis, "San Diego is a diverse offense - they have multiple formations and personnel groups, and they'll shift [a lot]. When it comes down to it, [the Colts are] trying to be good at a certain number of plays, and we're not afraid to run the same play over and over and over again."

Jauron was probably unwise in the timing of his decision, but the argument about whether to go simple or complex is not quite as one sided as some might think. In fact Jauron's main error may have been a failure to delineate the differences between the philosophy he wanted for the Bills and the one Schonert envisioned when Jauron hired him as a replacement for Fairchild.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009/9/6/1017647/van-pelts-charge-run-plays-bills#storyjump

[patmoran2006]

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Brian is a great writer.

[TigerJ]

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I've been pretty impressed with him.

[T-Long]

Re: Interesting analysis of Schonert firing

Over at Buffalo Rumblings, Brian Galliford has written an interesting analysis of the firing of Schonert, in essence saying that the "Pop Warner" philosophy is similar to the philosophy employed by the Indianapolis Colts. Peyton Manning explained in a SI interview with Dan Patrick, comparing San Diego with Indianapolis, "San Diego is a diverse offense - they have multiple formations and personnel groups, and they'll shift [a lot]. When it comes down to it, [the Colts are] trying to be good at a certain number of plays, and we're not afraid to run the same play over and over and over again."

Jauron was probably unwise in the timing of his decision, but the argument about whether to go simple or complex is not quite as one sided as some might think. In fact Jauron's main error may have been a failure to delineate the differences between the philosophy he wanted for the Bills and the one Schonert envisioned when Jauron hired him as a replacement for Fairchild.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009...ills#storyjump

This was exactly what I was going to bring up when I signed on tonight. I read the Dan Patrick interview with Peyton in SI this week and was just going to say that Peyton loves the fact when the offense is simplified because he doesn't care about running a certain few plays over and over again when they can't stop it. Good stuff.

[Jaybird]

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good read!

[Hemlepp53]

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Very good read. The move to fire Turk was the right one and Brian is right that the QB is the main one to suffer when the HC and OC have conflicting ideas on how the offense should be ran.

I hope we can turn this season into something. I would love to watch everyone eat crow... if we find sucess

[patmoran2006]

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Good.. Hope ya guys like him.
At Buffalo Sports Daily (he's on my staff)

[BillsWin]

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That was a great read. I said this in another thread you gotta crawl before you walk and the Bills should be focusing on the basics and perfect those before they start throwing multiple formations.

Start simple. Keep it up tempo. Lower the mistakes and turnovers. and the weapons on our offense can take care of the rest.

That is where AVP comes in. All he has to do is figure out the plays that Edwards is comfortable with and that our offense can execute and run them. Maybe throw in more aggressive plays, such as those "majestic" long bombs to Owens and Evans that Edwards supposedly threw so well in camp. Schonert wouldn't call them come game day, maybe Van Pelt will.

[Mahdi]

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The best offenses are the simplest ones.

I know Madden comparisons are weak but o well...

When I play online, I run almost every play out of the same formation. 3 WR, 1RB, 1TE... I have 2 run audibles, and 4 passes.

The benefits of that is that I get opponents out of their base defense, I run all 6 plays with precision, and if the opponent takes the play I called away with his defensive look I have a counter to it in my audibles. That makes it very difficult for any opponent to stop you.

I really think the Bills should do something similar to this. We have 3 very good WRs and an OL that would benefit from dealing with one less LB.

I heard that Peyton Manning receives 2 run plays and 1 pass play from Tom Moore in his helmet and then he chooses what he wants to call at the LOS based on the defense. Edwards should be able to do that too.

Either way, let's just find an identity.

[Goobylal]

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Would you rather be mediocre at a bunch of plays, or really good at a smaller number of plays? I think simplifying things makes sense.

[Captain gameboy]

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I wish the media would get this right.

We run an ineffective offense, not a Pop Warner offense.

We run a Pop Warner defense.

[Fletch]

Re: Interesting analysis of Schonert firing

Over at Buffalo Rumblings, Brian Galliford has written an interesting analysis of the firing of Schonert, in essence saying that the "Pop Warner" philosophy is similar to the philosophy employed by the Indianapolis Colts. Peyton Manning explained in a SI interview with Dan Patrick, comparing San Diego with Indianapolis, "San Diego is a diverse offense - they have multiple formations and personnel groups, and they'll shift [a lot]. When it comes down to it, [the Colts are] trying to be good at a certain number of plays, and we're not afraid to run the same play over and over and over again."

Jauron was probably unwise in the timing of his decision, but the argument about whether to go simple or complex is not quite as one sided as some might think. In fact Jauron's main error may have been a failure to delineate the differences between the philosophy he wanted for the Bills and the one Schonert envisioned when Jauron hired him as a replacement for Fairchild.

http://www.buffalorumblings.com/2009...ills#storyjump

Manning: San Diego is a diverse offense - they have multiple formations and personnel groups, and they'll shift [a lot]. When it comes down to it, [the Colts are] trying to be good at a certain number of plays, and we're not afraid to run the same play over and over and over again. You've got to be careful trying to run 60 different plays in a game and being pretty good at most of them, as opposed to being great at this core group of plays. I certainly don't call all the plays - I just have the flexibility to change them.

There's your answer. It's Manning. They couldn't do what they do without him.

[chernobylwraiths]

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I wish the media would get this right.

We run an ineffective offense, not a Pop Warner offense.

We run a Pop Warner defense.

The media reported that Turk Shoenert said Jauron wanted to run a Pop Warner offense.

[cocamide]

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Football is not rocket science. I think the main reason the Patriots excel is because they stick with what works and they keep it simple. If Moss has a mismatch, then throw the ball to him fifty times if you have to. If the defense hasn't been able to stop your run game, then run the ball every single down.

Last year against the Jets is the perfect example of our coaches out thinking themselves. We were running the ball great and the game was practically over. Instead of handing the ball to Marshawn, we decide to get cute and have JP roll out, and we all know how that ended. My guess is that play was called by Turk, even though Jauron took the fall for it. We have great offensive weapons that don't get utilized like they should. (BTW, I couldn't believe that we actually used Nelson intelligently by lining him out wide this preseason. Let's see more of that!)

Anyone remember the quick slant to Roscoe against the Jets a few years ago where he took it to the house? I think it got called back for a holding, but the play worked, and I never saw them run a quick slant to 'Scoe again. Instead he gets hitches and screen passes, but nothing where he's catching the ball on the run.

[TacklingDummy]

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Schonert told a Buffalo television station that he was fired Friday because head coach Dick Jauron wanted to run a "Pop Warner" offense with fewer plays and formations. Compared to their AFC East rivals, the Bills look like a Pop Warner team. Buffalo should never have tried exhuming its famed K-gun offense with an unstable offensive line and relatively inexperienced quarterback in Trent Edwards (23 NFL starts). Unless the unit starts showing the capability to chew clock with sustained drives, the trickle-down effect of a floundering no-huddle approach on an already average defense will be devastating.

According to ESPN, Bills owner Ralph Wilson held an emergency meeting this weekend with Jauron and other select coaches and front-office executives. The next gathering may include pink slips.