Im going to go ahead and call it right now...

[more cowbell]

CJ Spiller is going to be the Bills pick at 9.

He is proven playmaker, who is a homerun threat as a runningback (something the bills havent seen since Thurman)

We've had good running backs with Henry, McGahee, Lynch, and Jackson but they were never the homerun threat that scare the crap out of defenses in the backfield. Jackson and Lynch are both 4 yards a carry, pounding runners which is needed to keep a consistent running attack, but neither of them are a threat to take it to the house on one play.

Spiller is one of the best players in the draft. This team is in full rebuild mode, and I can guarantee if he is there at 9 Nix will pull the trigger and end up trading the criminal (Lynch) on draft day or afterward.

I know we need an OT, but this draft is extremely deep at tackle and with our high second round pick we should be able to grab someone like Charles Brown from USC or possibly Bruce Campbell if he falls.

[gonzo1105]

I could see it to be honest. I know a lot of people will say oh we need OL and i understand their theory but with the way Davis has lowered his own stock, Williams struggled his senior season, and Bulaga probably going to go before 9, I could see the Bills adding Spiller who they think could be their next Tomlinson

[mrbojanglezs]

its possible, according to what cornell green said, it looks like we are gonna be running the ball like crazy

[Nighthawk]

Don't think it happens...if Lynch gets traded...maybe...but highly unlikely.

[DraftBoy]

I wouldnt mind it all, and I could see it but I dont think its going to happen.

[madness]

We need three backs and the home run threat is definitely the missing piece. You trade Lynch, you better replace him with a bruiser as well. I love Jackson but he wouldn't know where the goal line was even if he tripped over it.

[HAMMER]

Just hang on to our two backs and build the damn lines, how many years of crappy drafting do we have to endure?

[more cowbell]

Just hang on to our two backs and build the damn lines, how many years of crappy drafting do we have to endure?

I completely agree with this theory but if Baluga is gone when were picking there is a considerable drop off in the talent of tackles that can be had in the 2nd round. In my opinion there isnt much difference in terms of talent between Anthony Davis (who I think is a complete bust...but thats a whole other topic) and someone like Charles Brown.



Obviously people are going to think I'm crazy for suggesting the Spiller pick and linking Anthony Davis to a 2nd round grade....but thats just my opinion, and the fact that the Bills met with Spiller is interesting....

[Mr. Pink]

Wouldn't be a point in us drafting him right now, to be honest.

Fred Jackson can carry the load as shown last year and if Lynch stays on the roster we have more pressing needs anyways.

Even if Lynch is moved we have more pressing issues elsewhere.

[SirMcGee]

I completely agree with this theory but if Baluga is gone when were picking there is a considerable drop off in the talent of tackles that can be had in the 2nd round. In my opinion there isnt much difference in terms of talent between Anthony Davis (who I think is a complete bust...but thats a whole other topic) and someone like Charles Brown.



Obviously people are going to think I'm crazy for suggesting the Spiller pick and linking Anthony Davis to a 2nd round grade....but thats just my opinion, and the fact that the Bills met with Spiller is interesting....

Geez. How was it in Indianapolis at the NFL Combine? Did you have fun? How did you get your hands on all those game tapes?

[Beebe's Kid]

Depending on what happens with trades/FA until the time comess, but I don't think I need to see a lot to be convinced of this pick.

Spiller with Lynch/Jackson is great backfield...and Gailey just might be smart enough to use one of them in the slot...or any multiple looks that have more than one on the field at the same time.

If Spiller is the BPA, why not? Cry and piss and moan about the lines all you want, but the OL is not what everybody keeps assuming it is. The current group will exceed expectations. The DL is a concern, but being handled. If we add an OT in the 2nd, DT in 3rd, and fill out the rest of the draft as BN sees fit...we can take Spiller in the 1st, and finally learn what it is like ot have a playmaker on the field!!

[BoyILuvLoznStupidly]

CJ Spiller is going to be the Bills pick at 9.

He is proven playmaker, who is a homerun threat as a runningback (something the bills havent seen since Thurman)

We've had good running backs with Henry, McGahee, Lynch, and Jackson but they were never the homerun threat that scare the crap out of defenses in the backfield. Jackson and Lynch are both 4 yards a carry, pounding runners which is needed to keep a consistent running attack, but neither of them are a threat to take it to the house on one play.

Spiller is one of the best players in the draft. This team is in full rebuild mode, and I can guarantee if he is there at 9 Nix will pull the trigger and end up trading the criminal (Lynch) on draft day or afterward.

I know we need an OT, but this draft is extremely deep at tackle and with our high second round pick we should be able to grab someone like Charles Brown from USC or possibly Bruce Campbell if he falls.

I could see this happening and in the second round grabbing Teblow. Just as San Diego did in the 2001 draft.

[SABURZFAN]

CJ Spiller is going to be the Bills pick at 9.

He is proven playmaker, who is a homerun threat as a runningback (something the bills havent seen since Thurman)

We've had good running backs with Henry, McGahee, Lynch, and Jackson but they were never the homerun threat that scare the crap out of defenses in the backfield. Jackson and Lynch are both 4 yards a carry, pounding runners which is needed to keep a consistent running attack, but neither of them are a threat to take it to the house on one play.

Spiller is one of the best players in the draft. This team is in full rebuild mode, and I can guarantee if he is there at 9 Nix will pull the trigger and end up trading the criminal (Lynch) on draft day or afterward.



you failed to mention how Omon "hits the hole." :snicker:

[Demon]

You're not really going out on a limb here, with so many holes, this team could pick a number of players, both offensive or defensive.

[TrEd FTW]

I'd love it. The Bills have zero elite playmakers. Spiller has the potential to become one. Better to take him than some marginal talent just for the sake of filling a "need."

The Bills need great players, period, and I don't care what position they play.

[Raptor]

I'd give it less that 1% chance of happening at 9

[NOT THE DUDE...]

if cj spiller is their, even if they cant trade lynch, they still might take him because of his world class, 4.2 speed....

[NOT THE DUDE...]

having 3 runners like jackson, lynch and spiller means we are running the ball like 40 times a game... are running backs would never be tired! we could then draft saffold, veldheer, ducasse, c brown in the 2nd....

[Mr. Pink]

having 3 runners like jackson, lynch and spiller means we are running the ball like 40 times a game... are running backs would never be tired! we could then draft saffold, veldheer, ducasse, c brown in the 2nd....


And teams are putting 8 in the box every down because we can't pass the ball and it won't matter how good the backs are.

On top of the fact our O-line blows.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

And teams are putting 8 in the box every down because we can't pass the ball and it won't matter how good the backs are.

On top of the fact our O-line blows.

the panthers in 08 couldnt pass the ball that great. they had steve smith and that was it... they ran the ball non stop and people knew it and couldnt stop it. i think gailey wants to be that kind of team...

[mightysimi]

the panthers in 08 couldnt pass the ball that great. they had steve smith and that was it... they ran the ball non stop and people knew it and couldnt stop it. i think gailey wants to be that kind of team...

but Carolina has an o-line

[NOT THE DUDE...]

we have an good oline too. lets say we draft ducasse

it would be ducasse, levitre, hang, wood, green

whats wrong with that oline?

[ddaryl]

I would have to see some moves before I would believe that would happen.

1.) We would have dealt Lynch

2.) We would have signed a LT and it would have to be a young T with upside.

Bottom line is we need T's and the only worth while ones would only come via trade... like Gaither.... and even then we still need to continue to address the OL but now we can pick up a couple in the latter rounds

we're not going to invest that much into a RB without fixing a major hole that happens to pave the way for sed RB.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

I would have to see some moves before I would believe that would happen.

1.) We would have dealt Lynch

2.) We would have signed a LT and it would have to be a young T with upside.

Bottom line is we need T's and the only worth while ones would only come via trade... like Gaither.... and even then we still need to continue to address the OL but now we can pick up a couple in the latter rounds

we're not going to invest that much into a RB without fixing a major hole that happens to pave the way for sed RB.

for the 100th time , we can get a quality LT in rd 2.

[SirMcGee]

for the 100th time , we can get a quality LT in rd 2.

Its easier to find a RB in the 3rd and 4th rounds than it is to find a quality LT in the 2nd round. LT is more of a priority right now.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

rbs like spiller dont come around that often. i see your point, but spiller offers a special ability that we havent had since oj...

[SirMcGee]

rbs like spiller dont come around that often. i see your point, but spiller offers a special ability that we havent had since oj...

Yes they do. lol. You see a RB like Spiller coming out EVERY YEAR !!! He's nothing special. He's not an Adrian Peterson. Its rare to see a RB like Peterson coming out but Spiller? He's a dime a dozen dude.

[ddaryl]

for the 100th time , we can get a quality LT in rd 2.


LOL! 1st time for me

It's possible, but more then likely your going to get a T that needs a year or 2 IMO.

If we can land a player like Gaither who bring experience, which we desperately need more of on the OL, then yes I believe thiscould happen...

but the 1st card that gets played is trading Lynch. that's the tell

[NOT THE DUDE...]

the problem is that the top 3 tackles are going to be gone. so we will have to make a choice between a davis, cj spiller, and d williams. u take spiller in that situation......

[SirMcGee]

the problem is that the top 3 tackles are going to be gone. so we will have to make a choice between a davis, cj spiller, and d williams. u take spiller in that situation......

oh my gawd. whats with you and spiller? He's nothing special. I would rather take a Williams over Spiller. Both are reaches at 9 but at least Williams fills a need. I can live with taking a Jonathan Dwyer in the 2nd or 3rd.

[Luisito23]

He's nothing special.


Yes he is you're just too blind to see it.

[SirMcGee]

Yes he is you're just too blind to see it.

What's so special about him? He runs a fast 40? I'm more impressed with Ryan Mathews. I'm not saying he sucks but dude. He's a dime a dozen.

[NOT THE DUDE...]

spiller combines inside vision with 4.2 speed. he has 21 plays over 50 yards. he is a game breaker...

i wouldnt mind a davis, but i would take spiller if we trade lynch.

[Mski]

with our team in full rebuild mode, we need to get out of the mindset of drafting for need, therefor reaching for players, and draft on the BPA mentality, if that means we get a clone of chris johnson so be it

[more cowbell]

oh my gawd. whats with you and spiller? He's nothing special. I would rather take a Williams over Spiller. Both are reaches at 9 but at least Williams fills a need. I can live with taking a Jonathan Dwyer in the 2nd or 3rd.


damn brotha we must have viewed seperate game tapes huh?

[more cowbell]

What's so special about him? He runs a fast 40? I'm more impressed with Ryan Mathews. I'm not saying he sucks but dude. He's a dime a dozen.

where do you get your game tapes from and where did u sit in indy? i didnt see you there...

[Bert102176]

I completely agree with this theory but if Baluga is gone when were picking there is a considerable drop off in the talent of tackles that can be had in the 2nd round. In my opinion there isnt much difference in terms of talent between Anthony Davis (who I think is a complete bust...but thats a whole other topic) and someone like Charles Brown.



Obviously people are going to think I'm crazy for suggesting the Spiller pick and linking Anthony Davis to a 2nd round grade....but thats just my opinion, and the fact that the Bills met with Spiller is interesting....




well if there are no good OT's for the value of the pick there then take Dez Bryant we severely a WR and he's a damn good one

[Ickybaluky]

oh my gawd. whats with you and spiller? He's nothing special. I would rather take a Williams over Spiller. Both are reaches at 9 but at least Williams fills a need. I can live with taking a Jonathan Dwyer in the 2nd or 3rd.

Are you joking?

Spiller scored 51 TDs in his college career between rushing, receiving and ST. Of those, over half have been 35 yards or longer. He is the very definition of a guy who can score from anywhere on the field. That kind of explosiveness opens up and entire offense. It is exactly the thing the Bills lack.

Spiller is the type of guy who can change a game with a single play. He is a true impact player, and his versatility allows him to impact the game in many different ways.

[SABURZFAN]

we have an good oline too. lets say we draft ducasse

it would be ducasse, levitre, hang, wood, green

whats wrong with that oline?


the Bills do not have a good OL. they're improving it but they're not good. who is to say that Wood is going to be ready too?

[SirMcGee]

having 3 runners like jackson, lynch and spiller means we are running the ball like 40 times a game... are running backs would never be tired! we could then draft saffold, veldheer, ducasse, c brown in the 2nd....

It'll be hard to run the ball when we're down by 2 or 3 TDs in the 4th quarter. :brace:

[SirMcGee]

the Bills do not have a good OL. they're improving it but they're not good. who is to say that Wood is going to be ready too?

Good offensive line? I wouldnt say that.

[IMissKelly]

i love spiler too for all the same reasons.

but what holes does he plan to run through.

[TheBrownBear]

You lost me at "Thurman was a homerun threat." Lol. That was actually Thurman's biggest weakness.

[PECKERWOOD]

I tell you what, give me a line that can make any RB a pro bowler over a talented RB any day.

[Night Train]

It's not a bad idea at all, if other things fall our way prior to the draft.

BTW - Thurman was a HOF player but never a home run threat. O.J. was a home run threat.

Thurman was more of a slasher, something O.J. aspired to after he retired.

[djjimkelly]

ill lose my mind if spiller is the pick

[bosshogg21]

ill lose my mind if spiller is the pick

would you lose your mind if we had chris Johnson on this team? Obviously you don't know much about spiller. Plus the old rb position is a strength on this team let me remind you..lynch is out of shape and 1 infraction away from a year suspension. Jackson is 30.

[WeAreArthurMoates]

would you lose your mind if we had chris Johnson on this team? Obviously you don't know much about spiller. Plus the old rb position is a strength on this team let me remind you..lynch is out of shape and 1 infraction away from a year suspension. Jackson is 30.

Jackson maybe 30 but barely has any tread on those tires. He's got at least 3 great years in him. We need to stop going for the sexy picks and take some big uglies whether it's offense or defense. And you realize the reason Minny and Tenn were able to take those backs were cause they had great offensive lines in tact.

[SirMcGee]

would you lose your mind if we had chris Johnson on this team? Obviously you don't know much about spiller. Plus the old rb position is a strength on this team let me remind you..lynch is out of shape and 1 infraction away from a year suspension. Jackson is 30.

Why do you keep comparing Spiller to Johnson? Just because they ran fast 40s? Spiller isnt anything special. U guys are just so blind to see that.

[Oaf]

We'd have running backs so good, they wouldn't even NEED an offensive line! Which is good because we don't have one!

It'd be just like having Barry Sanders on this team with all the championship runs he was able to make with the Lions! Oh wait

[Eventually]

Good thread. In reading everyone's responses a couple things really stuck in my mind.

Someone said something to the effect that we are in rebuilding mode, to me this is a perfect opportunity to take a guy like spiller when expectations are at a low point.

Another poster referenced back to when the chargers took LT in the first and then took brees in the second. Another interesting premise, espescially in a rebuild state of mind. This poster also mentioned Tebow in the second, granted he did it in a tone of disgust, but really it's not that bad of a play.

Chan wants to pound the ball all game long, he'll have three solid backs to do this, assuming they keep lynch in the mix, Tebow is really a perfect fit for this style of offensive. If we do draft him and actually plan on using him, this would be the type of system I'd want to see utilized. He's not prototypical by any means, but if you have a run first mentality with him under center the direction and who that ball carrier will be will turn out being the forte of the offensive mentality itself.

The line does need some help that is for sure, but as others have pointed out, I think our defeatist attitude as bills fans really embelishes the extent of what actually needs to be retooled versus overhauled. There are working pieces in place. Wood being the biggest piece, and his health the biggest factor in the lines immediate and future success in my opinion, but Levitre is much maligned by many and he actually performed admirably in his first year of action and should only improve. Hangartner is a solid across the line player and played his best ball at Center early on before musical chairs set in, at the time when a comfort level with his linemates was just setting in. Meredith is a big time talent that was graded very highly coming out of college that we're lucky to have, who will again develop and get better. Bell too is a raw talent, a seventh round pick that was rushed into action by an overzealous coaching staff, but he by no means should be cast aside as fodder from the old regime. The signing of Green doesn't seem like a big deal to most, but he was solid in most regards on an awfully rostered club, whose biggest flaw was inconsistency in restraint, thus drawing way too many flags. I have to believe this will be worked on in depth by a coaching staff preaching discipline. Rebuild yes, but more like a renovation.

I know my response was pretty long winded, I mainly just read, but I thank the OP and to the others that replied that got me thinking to the point that I just had to reply.

[SABURZFAN]

three things we learned from this thread..........


1. more cowbell called the Spiller pick.

2. Sir McGee made himself look like a bigger idiot than he is. (i didn't think it was possible)

3. djjimkelly just lost his mind.

[JD]

Did he really run a 4.2? I thought it was more like 4.6

[jamze132]

Nice find SAB.

[SABURZFAN]

Did he really run a 4.2? I thought it was more like 4.6


i thought i read 4.37 or something like that.

[billz83]

nice call more cowbell! i was starting to think this pick because of the recent lynch trade talks but still thought they would go OLINE...charles brown is still available though so we'll see.

[malvado78]

i thought i read 4.37 or something like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vibKFp6y_lc

1st Run - 4.27
2nd Run - 4.28

Watched it this morning. Spiller is the second runner in the vid.

Peaked 23.1 MPH:boost:

[Michael82]

Wow! Great call. :bf1:

[starrymessenger]

Wow! Great call. :bf1:

Ditto.

[THATHURMANATOR]

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