Moorman Being Released

[BillsWin]

Reported by Jason La Canfora

[The King]

I just saw this too. WTF!?

Literally one of our only bright spots during the decade of suck.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Wait WHAT??

[DBrown77]

Not too suprised except for his leadership

[Mr. Pink]

Link?

[BertSquirtgum]

He hasn't been very good but who is going to be punting now? The previous udfa that was here in pre-season?

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Link?

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/250634892931629056

[TheGhostofJimKelly]

What about all of those people that bought a punter's jersey?

[DBrown77]

Jason LaCanfora twitter

[The King]

<small class="time"> 6m (https://twitter.com/ChrisBrownBills/status/250635428720414720) </small> https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/1829302816/chrisbrowntwitter_normal.jpg Chris Brown ‏<s>@</s>ChrisBrownBills (https://twitter.com/ChrisBrownBills)
RT <s>@</s>jasonlacanfora (https://twitter.com/jasonlacanfora): <s>#</s>Bills (https://twitter.com/search/?src=hash&q=%23Bills) are releasing veteran stalwart P Brian Moorman. Surprise move. Have a feeling he might not be a free agent all..

[THE END OF ALL DAYS]

Wow... suprised... who the hell is our punter now?

[BillsWin]

Link?

It's all over twitter and on wgr now.

http://wgr550.com/Report--Bills-Release-Moorman/14331243

[The King]

Replacement punter!?

[Scumbag College]

Biggest "huh?" move at OBD in recent memory if this is true.

[braddavery]

WHAT??? WHY AND WHY NOW???

[kishoph]

I wonder if Powell is still available ?

[Mahdi]

He has been shanking every punt and he was also responsible for the punt return TD for the Jets in week 1.

[BillsWin]

Tim Graham confirms the Bills will bring back the rookie Powell.

[braddavery]

If Powell is a "better" option than Moorman, why is he still available.

[OpIv37]

Wow.

Moorman had a bad game against Cleveland, but that was what? Maybe his 3rd or 4th bad game in 8 years? Hell I'm harder on these players than anyone but even I wouldn't release a player for just one bad game.

That guy who punted for us in camp was damn good- hopefully no one picked him up.

But I don't like this move at all.

[Mr. Pink]

Doesn't make any sense at all.

If it ain't broke, don't "fix" it.

[OpIv37]

Tim Graham confirms the Bills will bring back the rookie Powell.

I don't get this at all. It would have been better off to just keep Powell and cut Moorman before the season. Then he'd at least have an extra week of practice and a few games under his belt by now.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

To all those Moorman kissers about his punting lately, particularly last Sunday for not allowing Cribbs to return punts, Nix and Gailey don't mess around! if you are not doing a good job and have no upside, you are out!

[Mahdi]

If Powell is a "better" option than Moorman, why is he still available.

Cause you only need one punter per team.

[Mouldsie]

He's gone down hill the last 2 years

[Mahdi]

I don't get this at all. It would have been better off to just keep Powell and cut Moorman before the season. Then he'd at least have an extra week of practice and a few games under his belt by now.

he's a punter. He doesn't need to know the schemes and settle in. Go kick it far please.

[braddavery]

Cause you only need one punter per team.

So Powell is the worst punter in the league now? I don't get how this guy is going to be better than the best punter the Bills have ever had.

[OpIv37]

Also, this is a pretty douchey way to treat the one player who was consistently good during some god-awful years.

[billsburgh]

WTF? Is it April 1st? we can certainly do alot worse at Punter with Moorman. this makes no sense.

[Mahdi]

Wow.

Moorman had a bad game against Cleveland, but that was what? Maybe his 3rd or 4th bad game in 8 years? Hell I'm harder on these players than anyone but even I wouldn't release a player for just one bad game.

That guy who punted for us in camp was damn good- hopefully no one picked him up.

But I don't like this move at all.

He's been bad all year and that Powell kid was hitting 70 yard punts in camp.

[The King]

Shawn Powell coming back.

[BLeonard]

I don't like this, for 2 reasons:

1: If you liked Powell, why not do it before the season?
2: Moorman was the holder on FG and PAT's as well...

-Bill

[Mr. Pink]

To all those Moorman kissers about his punting lately, particularly last Sunday for not allowing Cribbs to return punts, Nix and Gailey don't mess around! if you are not doing a good job and have no upside, you are out!

Moorman is averaging 45.5 yards which is 1.6 yards better than his career average.

Kicking away from Cribbs was by design as in case ya didn't know Cribbs is pretty good.

So where is this he isn't doing a good job idea coming from?

[OpIv37]

He's been bad all year and that Powell kid was hitting 70 yard punts in camp.

then they should have cut him in preseason and kept Powell.

At least, that's what a good team with actual talent evaluation skills would have done.

[BertSquirtgum]

Powell is a big boy. He is 6-4 248lbs.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

I'm actually worried about field goal holder. Was moorman the holder for Lindell?

[Mahdi]

So Powell is the worst punter in the league now? I don't get how this guy is going to be better than the best punter the Bills have ever had.

He's a rookie punter. Most teams have established punters, as Moorman was. Problem is Moorman hasn't been hitting good punts all season.

[braddavery]

He's a rookie punter. Most teams have established punters, as Moorman was. Problem is Moorman hasn't been hitting good punts all season.

That doesn't mean that Powell will come in and be better. What if he's worse?

[Scumbag College]

Also, this is a pretty douchey way to treat the one player who was consistently good during some god-awful years.

My thoughts exactly. This will also resonate around the league come free agency and dealings with agents and players that the Bills are disloyal to their own. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but this could also be demoralization amongst other guys that have stuck it out through the thin years with the Bills and stuck around.

[Skooby]

Improve to win, no one is sacred & your job can be lost at anytime to anyone. I'd call that a powerful motivator & a lesson to all the Bills' players.

[stuckincincy]

Cause you only need one punter per team.

And two kickers... :D

[Ed]

Wow. I think I'm more concerned about him being the holder on FG's. I hope this doesn't mess with Lindell.

[Mahdi]

then they should have cut him in preseason and kept Powell.

At least, that's what a good team with actual talent evaluation skills would have done.

Except they figured Moorman was still doing well enough that they didnt need to take Powell. However Moorman has fallen off and it has resulted in very bad field position for the Bills D.

[RedEyE]

WTF!!?? Something happen behind closed doors?

[justasportsfan]

He's gone down hill the last 2 years

they probably think Powell can get better and Moorman is on his downside :idunno:

Up next, Lindell.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Moorman is averaging 45.5 yards which is 1.6 yards better than his career average.

Kicking away from Cribbs was by design as in case ya didn't know Cribbs is pretty good.

So where is this he isn't doing a good job idea coming from?

Someone is better than you. I saw all pre-season that Powell was better. Surprised he didn't get picked up.

[Mr. Pink]

Except they figured Moorman was still doing well enough that they didnt need to take Powell. However Moorman has fallen off and it has resulted in very bad field position for the Bills D.

45.5 yards is his average this season which is 1.6 yards more than his career average.

Fallen off? Ridiculous.

[THRILLHO]

Wow. I thought this was a joke thread till someone linked twitter.


Lets trade him for a WR!

[bf1]

Wow.

Moorman had a bad game against Cleveland, but that was what? Maybe his 3rd or 4th bad game in 8 years? Hell I'm harder on these players than anyone but even I wouldn't release a player for just one bad game.

That guy who punted for us in camp was damn good- hopefully no one picked him up.

But I don't like this move at all.

Agreed. WTF. Also Moorman is the holder for kicks and is smart/decisive then things go wrong. Total WTF move if you ask me. You had scrubs like Merriman hanging around 3 years before let go.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Buddy truly has no plan, but I ain't buying it until there is a presser on this. You just don't cut the face of the Bills franchise for 10 years+ without reason.

[OpIv37]

Except they figured Moorman was still doing well enough that they didnt need to take Powell. However Moorman has fallen off and it has resulted in very bad field position for the Bills D.

There is no way he fell off that much in the month or so since final cuts. That's just ridiculous.

[Mr. Pink]

Someone is better than you. I saw all pre-season that Powell was better. Surprised he didn't get picked up.

If he was better, he would have won the job outright.

And someone would have picked him when he somehow didn't win the job even though he was "better"

[stuckincincy]

I wonder if some sort of contract thing was going to kick in? No idea re Moorman, but it happens from time to time.

[The King]

Fred Jackson ‏<s>@</s>Fred22Jackson (https://twitter.com/Fred22Jackson) WTF??? Released Mooreman??? For What??

Of course he spells his name wrong, ha

[Scumbag College]

Fred Jackson ‏<s>@</s>Fred22Jackson (https://twitter.com/Fred22Jackson) WTF??? Released Mooreman??? For What??
Probably the thinking with every player. Also, this is a distraction before a pretty big game on Sunday.

[Mr. Pink]

Nothing more demoralizing to a team than releasing a longstanding perennial pro-bowler who's stuck with the team throughout A LOT of lean years who also is respected in the locker room and is a team captain.

[billsburgh]

Fred Jackson ‏<s>@</s>Fred22Jackson (https://twitter.com/Fred22Jackson) WTF??? Released Mooreman??? For What??

I hope this doesn't cause internal problems with the team since Mooreman is a respected veteran on the team. If Fred comes out and makes remarks like this, you know others in the locker room are saying the same thing.

[Ed]

Probably the thinking with every player. Also, this is a distraction before a pretty big game on Sunday.
Players had the same reaction when they traded Lee Evans. That's life in pro sports. They'll get over it.

[better days]

So Powell is the worst punter in the league now? I don't get how this guy is going to be better than the best punter the Bills have ever had.

Moorman was a very good punter & I don't understand this move at all especially just before the Pats* game. However, Paul Maguire is the BEST punter the Bills have ever had. Best punter & record holder in the entire AFL. Maguire was a master of the "coffin corner" kick. He would kick the ball out of bounds at about the 5 yd line from anywhere on the field.

[Mahdi]

then they should have cut him in preseason and kept Powell.

At least, that's what a good team with actual talent evaluation skills would have done.

Except they figured Moorman was still doing well enough that they didnt need to take Powell. However Moorman has fallen off and it has resulted in very bad field position for the Bills D.

[X-Era]

Money for a WR signing?

[Mr. Pink]

Except they figured Moorman was still doing well enough that they didnt need to take Powell. However Moorman has fallen off and it has resulted in very bad field position for the Bills D.

Poor punt team coverage has resulted in poor field position for the Bills D not Brian Moorman.

45.5 this year, 43.9 career. Just in case you missed that fact the other two times.

[BertSquirtgum]

45.5 yards is his average this season which is 1.6 yards more than his career average.

Fallen off? Ridiculous.

Moorman hasn't been good in the last two years. He is 31st in net punting this year with 32.5. That's terrible.

[OpIv37]

Moorman hasn't been good in the last two years. He is 31st in net punting this year with 32.5. That's terrible.

net means AFTER the return too. That's on the return team as much as it is on the punter.

[BertSquirtgum]

He is gone. Why do you people care so much? He hasn't been good.

[Mr. Pink]

net means AFTER the return too. That's on the return team as much as it is on the punter.

Exactly. Blame our team for it's poor coverage units on the net.

[justasportsfan]

According to this he has good hang time. Guess the bills don't want anyone to return kicks both in kickoffs and punt. Question is, can he punt in the snow since he played in Florida?


One of the easiest things to watch though is hang time, and when it comes to hang time Powell excels. We were able to review a few of his games from 2011 and found that a large majority of his punts resulted in 5.0 or more seconds of hang time. In the NFL that could be the difference between a fair catch for no yardage and a return that goes all the way for a touchdown. Powell had the strongest leg in this past year’s draft class.

http://www.buffalobillsdraft.com/2012/05/udfa-profile-shawn-powell-fsu/

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Moorman hasn't been good in the last two years. He is 31st in net punting this year with 32.5. That's terrible.

that has a lot to do with our kicking coverage. This is a bad move.

[kingJofNYC]

45.5 yards is his average this season which is 1.6 yards more than his career average.

Fallen off? Ridiculous.

Because you're looking at average punt yards and not net. If you go by average, last year was a career year for Moorman even though his net was two yards less than his career high, still pretty good at 38. Net this year is pretty bad so far, but it's a sample size of 3 so it shouldn't really hold any weight. Net can also be skewed by bad coverage teams, can't rely on just average either.

Seems like a money move more than anything, no clue why they'd do it now.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

He is gone. Why do you people care so much? He hasn't been good.

Because he was the one player I know who you could always count on to not **** up.

[ParanoidAndroid]

I think Lindell's days are numbered as well. I'd bet he's pretty upset about Moorman.

[Bulldog]

Poor punt team coverage has resulted in poor field position for the Bills D not Brian Moorman.

45.5 this year, 43.9 career. Just in case you missed that fact the other two times.

A large factor of net punting is the hang time of the punts. Maybe he wasn't booming them like they wanted/expected him to.

[Mr. Miyagi]

Lindell is next, keeping Potter.

This will be a kicking team overhaul.

[kingJofNYC]

A large factor of net punting is the hang time of the punts. Maybe he wasn't booming them like they wanted/expected him to.

Right, it's hard to just lock in on one number, lots of factors. Your coverage units can skew net, but if you aren't getting air under the ball it's going to put more stress on the unit.

[stuckincincy]

Lindell is next, keeping Potter.

This will be a kicking team overhaul.

I wonder if the MW contract is crunching their cashews...

[jimmifli]

I liked him, he was a good Bill during the worst period in franchise history. But he's a punter.

A decade of futility will make fans lose sight of things, but this is inconsequential.

[dannyek71]

Moorman looked much better than Powell in camp

[Mouldsie]

I understand the move from a football standpoint. I hate the timing.

[dannyek71]

I don't understand this at all. Something else must be up. Maybe they found our he was driving Marshawn's car?

[imbondz]

I think its a terrible time to do this. Hate it

[HAMMER]

The drama queens in this thread are amusing. He's a punter, he is on the downside, let's not make a big deal out of it.........unless he fumbles the snap on Sunday when Lindell is trying a game winning FG.

[The King]

When releasing a vet like Moorman I wish they'd notify the players before the media does. It seems like the right thing to do.

[GingerP]

They must really have been unhappy with Moorman's performance. He gets paid his full salary even if he signs with someone else.

[kingJofNYC]

Definitely wasn't a money issue, because he's going to bank the 1.4m owed to him for this season.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

Moorman hasn't been good in the last two years. He is 31st in net punting this year with 32.5. That's terrible.

He's only punted 15 times and one of them was taken back 68 yards for a TD. That has a tendency to skew stats.


I liked him, he was a good Bill during the worst period in franchise history. But he's a punter.

A decade of futility will make fans lose sight of things, but this is inconsequential.

He's the FG holder, which is what concerns me most. We're spending New England week breaking in a new punter and holder, which seems like moronic timing. If Moorman wasn't getting it done, the time to make this change was in the preseason.

[The King]

Powell held ofr Potter in camp FYI

[Historian]

Watch Belichek pick him up.

He publically felt that Moorman was one of the best in the league.

This team's stupidity continues to astound.

Oh and BTW, they had a uniform unveiling today to release the jersies that were released prior to 2009 only with a Nike swoosh.

That's Buffalo Bills football.

[kingJofNYC]

Belichick will do what with him, Zoltan's a good punter.

[justasportsfan]

We brought in Powell since the PAtriots have no tape on him :ill:

[DraftBoy]

Its an interesting move and I dont quite get. However I think Powell has the ability to be a very good punter very quickly. He's got as big (if not bigger) leg as Moorman and may be more accurate with his touch in the corner.

[stuckincincy]

He's only punted 15 times and one of them was taken back 68 yards for a TD. That has a tendency to skew stats.
He's the FG holder, which is what concerns me most. We're spending New England week breaking in a new punter and holder, which seems like moronic timing. If Moorman wasn't getting it done, the time to make this change was in the preseason.

I wonder who the back-up holder is. Thigpen, I suppose.

[kingJofNYC]

Its an interesting move and I dont quite get. However I think Powell has the ability to be a very good punter very quickly. He's got as big (if not bigger) leg as Moorman and may be more accurate with his touch in the corner.

Move toward the future. Guess the FO came to the conclusion that they don't have any plans to bring him back when his contract expires at the end of the season, obvious that they like Powell and they didn't want to lose him to another team at some point.

[DraftBoy]

Move toward the future. Guess the FO came to the conclusion that they don't have any plans to bring him back when his contract expires at the end of the season, obvious that they like Powell and they didn't want to lose him to another team at some point.

Yea timing just seems a bit off, but I agree thats the end game.

[justasportsfan]

it had to end sometime and I guess they felt they didn't want anyone signing his replacement. Goes to show you, nobodies job is safe.

[mayotm]

Interesting. I remember a similar reaction on this board when the Bills traded Lee Evans.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Watch Belichek pick him up.

He publically felt that Moorman was one of the best in the league.

This team's stupidity continues to astound.

Oh and BTW, they had a uniform unveiling today to release the jersies that were released prior to 2009 only with a Nike swoosh.

That's Buffalo Bills football.

This is going to hurt us for years to come like not resigning Pat Williams did. Its a terrible decision that could not have come at a more inoportune time. Oh well they're my Bills.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Interesting. I remember a similar reaction on this board when the Bills traded Lee Evans.

Lee could only run one route and was always bobbling catches. Moorman still had a couple years left in the tank and really we could have waited to do this until after the season ended.

[Jan Reimers]

Moorman has been slipping for the past few years. I'm saddened, but not surprised.

[better days]

I wonder who the back-up holder is. Thigpen, I suppose.

Well, now it is all making sense. The reason Pigpen was kept on the roster.

[The King]

This is going to hurt us for years to come like not resigning Pat Williams did. Its a terrible decision that could not have come at a more inoportune time. Oh well they're my Bills.

Not signing Fletcher still hurts.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v46plhmxXU4

[Mahdi]

that has a lot to do with our kicking coverage. This is a bad move.

Actually it doesn't have a lot to do with kick coverage. Moorman shanked 3 punts against KC and had a terrible punt against the Jets with no hang time which resulted in the TD.

He has not been good.

[jimmifli]

He's only punted 15 times and one of them was taken back 68 yards for a TD. That has a tendency to skew stats.



He's the FG holder, which is what concerns me most. We're spending New England week breaking in a new punter and holder, which seems like moronic timing. If Moorman wasn't getting it done, the time to make this change was in the preseason.

I'm sure every punter and back up QB has held for FG's before. I don't see the big issue. As for "breaking in a new punter", what's to break in? They snap it to him and he punts it.

[better days]

Actually it doesn't have a lot to do with kick coverage. Moorman shanked 3 punts against KC and had a terrible punt against the Jets with no hang time which resulted in the TD.

He has not been good.

I can't understand it. He was kicking GREAT in Preseason.

[DraftBoy]

My only true concern with this move is in two months when the winds start swirling and the temps get below freezing. That takes a lot of skill to master and to ask a rookie from a SE school to do it, is asking a lot but Powell has the ability.

[Dr. Lecter]

Money for a WR signing?

His contract is guarenteed as of the opening game

[Historian]

The more I think about it, the harder I laugh.

Just another bold move by the deep thinkers at Cracker and Cracker Incorporated.

Cut the punter in week 4!

:roflmao:

[Lexwhat]

His contract is guarenteed as of the opening game

If another team picks him up off the waiver-wire, then that team is now responsible for the remainder of his contract. In this case, I don't know if a team will put in a claim for him. If he becomes a free agent (i.e. no team claims him), then any team is free to sign him to a new contract, while the Bills are responsible for his original 2012 salary.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

The more I think about it, the harder I laugh.

Just another bold move by the deep thinkers at Cracker and Cracker Incorporated.

Cut the punter in week 4!

:roflmao:

The week before the Pats game, and be sure to create the possibility of locker room dischord a week before the team that has owned you the past decade.

[Syderick]

Weird move, but we'll find out how it turns out this weekend.

[Lexwhat]

I like the move actually. Let's bring the new guy in (Powell) and hope that he sticks with us long-term. Moorman was not in our long-term plans.

Chan's move shows that there is no loyalty to a player who is not performing well (although don't ask me to explain Ruvell Martin or Tyler Thigpen). That's how it should be. Moorman was clearly not performing well this year, and in general, his production lately is nothing compared to what it was, say, 8 years ago. He's been living off his name and reputation for awhile. He's no Shane Lechler.

[BLeonard]

I'm sure every punter and back up QB has held for FG's before. I don't see the big issue. As for "breaking in a new punter", what's to break in? They snap it to him and he punts it.

Tell that to Tony Romo...

-Bill

[justasportsfan]

The more I think about it, the harder I laugh.

Just another bold move by the deep thinkers at Cracker and Cracker Incorporated.

Cut the punter in week 4!

:roflmao:

what has "doing things the usual way" brought us in the last decade?

[User Manuel]

Solid Football Move. You have been crying about it for 12 years asking why we don't make the bold moves like Berlichek and the Patriots. Moorman WAS a great punter. Moorman this year has NOT been even a good punter. It is actually a good sign as far as I am concerned.


That being said, he was all class and that will be missed. But class alone doesn't win you ****** football games.

[Tiburon1724]

It's all part of the plan folks, don't worry. This team has been built to beat New England according to Buddy, and that's where their focus is. We come in Sunday with a new punter, Freddy and C.J. healthy and in the game and gash the living hell out of them.

[jimmifli]

Tell that to Tony Romo...

-Bill

OK. We're talking about something that happens a few times a year across the NFL. If it happens this weekend, then yes, it will prove to have been a bad move. If not, we've got another punter, that will probably punt the ball, about as good as any other punter. I'm not saying punters are inconsequential, but most of the time they are pretty close.

I don't really see why it had to be done, but it's got about the same level of importance as if we cut our 5th WR or a backup linebacker.

[TigerJ]

Powell has a huge leg. Moorman's been a solid punter for a long time. Moorman has been kind of a unique punter in that he's a lot smaller than most punters, under 6 foot. To punt as well as he has he had to be much more of an athlete than most punters (which he has been) in order to generate the leg speed to boom the punts as well as he has. I think the down side of that is that as he's gotten older it's become tougher for him to maintain the conditioning he needs to maintain his punting average. He's a high character guy and a solid player, and I hate to see guys like that let go, but there's no question Powell has more upside at this point.

I hope Moorman ends up on the Wall of Fame, though. He deserves that at least.

[TigerJ]

My candidate for FG holder is Brad Smith. He's an excellent athlete. He's played some WR, so you know he's got decent hands, and he's been used very little for much else.

[Lexwhat]

The two time All-Pro spent his entire 12-year career with the Bills (http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF). The Buffalo News' Tim Graham tweeted the move was made because Moorman struggled with directional punts.

Rookie Shawn Powell has been re-signed. Powell was considered one of the top punters in the country his senior season at Florida State. The two competed during training camp after the Bills (http://www.nfl.com/teams/buffalobills/profile?team=BUF) brought Powell in as an undrafted rookie.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000066201/article/bills-release-punter-brian-moorman-sign-shawn-powell

[kishoph]

Like it or not he has been in decline the last 2 years, having his worse numbers in 8 years and is off to a terrible start this year and at age 36, the chances of him getting better are slim. He had some great years with the Bills, but all good things come to an end. Shawn Powell has a booming leg and can easily out kick Moorman in distance and hang time, his problem has been touch (which Moorman has not had the last 2 years). Last year Powell dropped 43% of his punts inside the 20 and he has also been the holder for place kicks for FSU. Moorman wasn't going to last for ever and as unfortunate it is to see him go, his stats have warranted it. I don't like to see him go, but I think the move was needed.

[kishoph]

My candidate for FG holder is Brad Smith. He's an excellent athlete. He's played some WR, so you know he's got decent hands, and he's been used very little for much else.


Powell held for kicks in college for FSU, I would assume that he'll be doing it for the Bills.

[mjt328]

I thought Moorman's punts on Sunday were terrible - but I just figured they were trying to keep the ball away from Josh Cribbs to prevent the big play.

Maybe there was something else going on there that only the staff knows.

[Ed]

So who will replace Moorman as special teams captain?

[Lexwhat]

So who will replace Moorman as special teams captain?

Ruvell Martin.

[mercyrule]

Interesting. I remember a similar reaction on this board when the Bills traded Lee Evans.I still miss Lee Evans

[kishoph]

There's rumor going around on Bills pages on Face Book that Moorman had requested the move due to non football reasons (I won't repeat what the reason that is being said), but I see nothing on the web about it.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

There's rumor going around on Bills pages on Face Book that Moorman had requested the move due to non football reasons (I won't repeat what the reason that is being said), but I see nothing on the web about it.

can you PM me what was said? I won't blab it.

[GingerP]

If another team picks him up off the waiver-wire, then that team is now responsible for the remainder of his contract. In this case, I don't know if a team will put in a claim for him. If he becomes a free agent (i.e. no team claims him), then any team is free to sign him to a new contract, while the Bills are responsible for his original 2012 salary.

That isn't how it works. First, he isn't eligible for waivers. Vested vets (4 or more years) become FA right away, they are not subject to waivers until after the trading deadline.

Also, he gets the money as termination pay, there is no offset. The one caveat is he has to elect to take it, and he can only do so once in his career. However, it is almost certain he will do it as he is late in his career and unlikely to do better than his $1.425M base salary.

By electing for termination pay, he could get he could sign for the minimum base somewhere else ($925K for a season) and earn almost $2.5M this year. It is a no-brainer. People can stop crying for the guy, he will make a killing.

[Historian]

. People can stop crying for the guy, he will make a killing.

No one's crying for him.

They're crying over 12 years of these kinds of moves...

[justasportsfan]

No one's crying for him.

They're crying over 12 years of these kinds of moves...

what were these kinds of moves made in the last 12 years?

[Skooby]

No one's crying for him.

They're crying over 12 years of these kinds of moves...

I'm not, it's about time our players are held accountable for their play.

[Historian]

what were these kinds of moves made in the last 12 years?

Ever move from Wade Phillips to this one.

[Historian]

And that includes those fugly-ass navy uniforms.

[mysticsoto]

Moorman was great at his peak, but let's face it guys, he's on the decline. They should have cut him at the start of the season though and not a few weeks in. I was actually expecting that, and when I saw them keep Moorman, I was surprised.

Nevertheless, he was good to us for many years and I wish him well in his future endeavors.

[Night Train]

After a good pre-season, he hasn't punted well at all these first 3 weeks and a TD was scored on a return.

I heard he was at odds with Dehaven last year and maybe it was just time. Citing past Bills blunders seems like a reach to me. They cut a young guy with a cannon leg and better directional punting skills in the pre-season and wish to grab him back before someone else scoops him up.

I thank Mooman for all he did here.. but it's obvious some struggle with change. This is about making the team better now, not journeys down memory lane.

Don't give me that loyalty nonsense, since he collected 6-7 Mil while he was here. That's the agreement when you play sports. Play well, save your $$ and move on to something else when it's time. There is an end to your playing days.

Good luck Moorman and thanks for the service.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

what were these kinds of moves made in the last 12 years?

This one makes me depressed enough to visit my love's grave just so I can feel better about things:

2000: We get rid of the football firm of Thomas, Reed, and Smith so we can suck at those positions for years to come
2001: Wade and Butler gone so we can get genius (pronounced gene-ass) Donahoe and Manboobs
2001: We have Flutie who has a very good winning percentage and is a fan favorite and we let him go in favor of Robosack
2003: Ruben Brown dislikes the culture of losing and speaks up and gets cut
2004: We trade away our first in 2005, we could have got Aaron Rodgers, so we can get JP Lossman
2005: Pat Williams not resigned because at 29 he is "too old" to be a DT in the NFL, he then goes on to have several more good seasons with Minnesota and we get Tiny Tim "Pizzarea proprietor" Anderson
2006: Eric Moulds wants fair compensation and speaks up, Marv lets him go
2006: We could get Ngata and we draft Whitner
2007: Could have gotten Revis, Bowe, Kolb, and several other good picks and we get Lynch
2008: Dick starts hot we give him a pay increase, oh and we draft two busts

I would go on, but damn it depresses me to the point of wanting a drink

[DBrown77]

There's rumor going around on Bills pages on Face Book that Moorman had requested the move due to non football reasons (I won't repeat what the reason that is being said), but I see nothing on the web about it.

He better pay back the million he is getting paid then. I find it hard to find that we just release him because of his personal reasons and he gets to keep his cash.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

And that includes those fugly-ass navy uniforms.

I had forgotten about those.

[jdaltroy5]

This is going to hurt us for years to come like not resigning Pat Williams did. Its a terrible decision that could not have come at a more inoportune time. Oh well they're my Bills.
Years to come?

Jesus Christ man, get a grip. We released a 36 year old punter. This isn't going to hurt for years to come.

And net yards ARE important. They aren't just on the kick coverage team. If the punter sends a line drive 50 yards down field while his coverage team is only ten yards in front of him, it's the punter's fault.

[Slim]

This one makes me depressed enough to visit my love's grave just so I can feel better about things:

2000: We get rid of the football firm of Thomas, Reed, and Smith so we can suck at those positions for years to come
2001: Wade and Butler gone so we can get genius (pronounced gene-ass) Donahoe and Manboobs
2001: We have Flutie who has a very good winning percentage and is a fan favorite and we let him go in favor of Robosack
2003: Ruben Brown dislikes the culture of losing and speaks up and gets cut
2004: We trade away our first in 2005, we could have got Aaron Rodgers, so we can get JP Lossman
2005: Pat Williams not resigned because at 29 he is "too old" to be a DT in the NFL, he then goes on to have several more good seasons with Minnesota and we get Tiny Tim "Pizzarea proprietor" Anderson
2006: Eric Moulds wants fair compensation and speaks up, Marv lets him go
2006: We could get Ngata and we draft Whitner
2007: Could have gotten Revis, Bowe, Kolb, and several other good picks and we get Lynch
2008: Dick starts hot we give him a pay increase, oh and we draft two busts

I would go on, but damn it depresses me to the point of wanting a drink

My brother worked with both of those guys and still remains friends with both. And this is not even close to true. Pat had a huge problem with Buffalo management, and did not get along with Bledsoe at all. His last year here, he was a cancer in and out of the locker room. During Pat's last year here, he was always mad, after wins he would talk ****. It just wasn't meant to be.

Eric wanted fair compensation??? He signed a 40 million dollar contract, the Bills wanted him to take a pay cut during the last two years of that contract. He was on the decline and his cap number was like 9 million. And any love lost between Moulds and the team is long gone.

And why the **** would we want Kolb?

[BertSquirtgum]

Just a Rumor.

Chris Byrd™ ‏@ChrisByrd13
Don't know if its true or not... But I been hearing Brian Moorman's wife has terminal cancer and he was asked to be released...

https://twitter.com/ChrisByrd13

[justasportsfan]

This one makes me depressed enough to visit my love's grave just so I can feel better about things:

2000: We get rid of the football firm of Thomas, Reed, and Smith so we can suck at those positions for years to come
2001: Wade and Butler gone so we can get genius (pronounced gene-ass) Donahoe and Manboobs
2001: We have Flutie who has a very good winning percentage and is a fan favorite and we let him go in favor of Robosack
2003: Ruben Brown dislikes the culture of losing and speaks up and gets cut
2004: We trade away our first in 2005, we could have got Aaron Rodgers, so we can get JP Lossman
2005: Pat Williams not resigned because at 29 he is "too old" to be a DT in the NFL, he then goes on to have several more good seasons with Minnesota and we get Tiny Tim "Pizzarea proprietor" Anderson
2006: Eric Moulds wants fair compensation and speaks up, Marv lets him go
2006: We could get Ngata and we draft Whitner
2007: Could have gotten Revis, Bowe, Kolb, and several other good picks and we get Lynch
2008: Dick starts hot we give him a pay increase, oh and we draft two busts

I would go on, but damn it depresses me to the point of wanting a drink


What did Moulds and Reed do after they left here? Should we have kept them for the sake of sentimental value? Actually Reeds replacement was Moulds. Not a bad move.

How is letting Buttler go the same as letting Moorman go? Buttler got us in a bad bind in terms of salary cap and was in charge of one of the worst drafts we ever had. Remember Flowers?

No doubt, we made some bad moves that you listed but they are not the same as getting rid of Moorman.

There comes a time when we have to move one and stop keeping players based on sentimental value. I loved Moorman as much as the next guy here but production WINS. Part of what was wrong in the last 12 years was lack of it. Moorman hasn't been that great the last 2 of that 12 years.

Moorman is nothing more than a sentimental loss.

[BertSquirtgum]

I hope it's not true.

[Luisito23]

He's gone down hill the last 2 years


I've been saying this for the last couple of years, but people still thought he was the same player he once was.

Thank you for the memories Moorman, but I won't miss him.

[The King]

Nix addressing the media at 4:30.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Just a Rumor.

Chris Byrd™ ‏@ChrisByrd13
Don't know if its true or not... But I been hearing Brian Moorman's wife has terminal cancer and he was asked to be released...

https://twitter.com/ChrisByrd13

If this is true it changes things significantly and we should respect and support him during what is doubtlessly a difficult time for him and his family

[The King]

Buffalo Bills ‏<s>@</s>buffalobills (https://twitter.com/buffalobills) Moorman won the punting job in 2001 following a successful stint in NFL Europe and was a 7-time team captain and 2-time Pro Bowler


All the positives coming from the organization lead me to believe this is a move Brian wanted.

[MikeInRoch]

I dunno - Chris Brown's blog seems to say they think he'll get picked up someplace else quickly. That doesn't fit with the "wife is sick" rumor.

[Dr. Lecter]

Just a Rumor.

Chris Byrd™ ‏@ChrisByrd13
Don't know if its true or not... But I been hearing Brian Moorman's wife has terminal cancer and he was asked to be released...

https://twitter.com/ChrisByrd13


This is terribly irresponsible to throw out on Twitter like this.

[The King]

Nix says it was an upgrade. Tough to let a 12 year vet go.

[Slim]

This is terribly irresponsible to throw out on Twitter like this.

So many people don't understand that social media is a loaded gun.

[X-Era]

Nix says it was an upgrade. Tough to let a 12 year vet go.where did you hear this?

[Mr. Miyagi]

All the positives coming from the organization lead me to believe this is a move Brian wanted.
You speak of him as if he was dead.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I'm sure every punter and back up QB has held for FG's before. I don't see the big issue. As for "breaking in a new punter", what's to break in? They snap it to him and he punts it.

Just because they did it X years ago doesn't mean they were good at it. As for the new punter angle, ask the 2011 Giants what a rookie punter can do in a critical situation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_the_New_Meadowlands#Calls_on_the_last_play)

I don't really have an issue with letting Moorman go. In August. Not at the end of September 6 days before we play a crucial division game.


I wonder who the back-up holder is. Thigpen, I suppose.

I hope not, Tarvaris is supposed to take his place and then we've gotta start all over lol


Just a Rumor.

Chris Byrd™ ‏@ChrisByrd13
Don't know if its true or not... But I been hearing Brian Moorman's wife has terminal cancer and he was asked to be released...

https://twitter.com/ChrisByrd13

That does change things dramatically.

[The King]

where did you hear this?
Nix's presser.

[The King]

Nix: "We look at the bottom line ... production"

Nix: Chan Gailey will make decision on if Powell will hold on FGs and XPs.

[The King]

Nix: talk with Brian was congenial. "Brian did most of the talking ... handled it well"

[kishoph]

This is terribly irresponsible to throw out on Twitter like this.


That's why I wouldn't say what the rumor was in my post, this is not the kind of thing you just throw out there with out it being substantiated.

[BertSquirtgum]

That's why I wouldn't say what the rumor was in my post, this is not the kind of thing you just throw out there with out it being substantiated.

It's not true so it doesn't matter. Whoever it was that I quoted is a douche.

[Dr. Lecter]

It's not true so it doesn't matter. Whoever it was that I quoted is a douche.

Of course it matters.

And yes, he is a giant douche

[BertSquirtgum]

I'm just glad it's not true.

[jimmifli]

Just because they did it X years ago doesn't mean they were good at it. As for the new punter angle, ask the 2011 Giants what a rookie punter can do in a critical situation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_at_the_New_Meadowlands#Calls_on_the_last_play)

I'm not saying punters don't ever impact games, just that it's not all that often. Like the 5th WR. Nothing Moorman has done in the last couple of seasons leads me to believe that another punter can't perform just as well. Nix and Chan obviously think they can do better.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

I'm not saying punters don't ever impact games, just that it's not all that often. Like the 5th WR. Nothing Moorman has done in the last couple of seasons leads me to believe that another punter can't perform just as well. Nix and Chan obviously think they can do better.

Sure, but why are we making this switch now? The time to do this was August. Why are we screwing around with this midseason?

[jimmifli]

Sure, but why are we making this switch now? The time to do this was August. Why are we screwing around with this midseason?
They weren't sure and wanted to give him a chance. I just really think the reaction is overblown. He was a good Bill, great in the community and very popular with fans so I understand the reaction. But really if we cut Ruvell Martin to bring in another guy, it wouldn't be getting the criticism posted in this thread.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

They weren't sure and wanted to give him a chance. I just really think the reaction is overblown. He was a good Bill, great in the community and very popular with fans so I understand the reaction. But really if we cut Ruvell Martin to bring in another guy, it wouldn't be getting the criticism posted in this thread.

Ruvell isn't critically involved with scoring plays like Moorman is.

[Historian]

No doubt, we made some bad moves that you listed but they are not the same as getting rid of Moorman.

.

You asked for a list and Gibby gave you one....a very short one.

He could have made it about five pages long.

[Skooby]

You asked for a list and Gibby gave you one....a very short one.

He could have made it about five pages long.

We can see you're not happy with this move.

[Historian]

We can see you're not happy with this move.

I don't really give a crap who kicks the ball, Skooby.

What I'm trying to say is that the team has a pattern of this type of behavior, and given that their decisions have been abysmal for over a decade, they no longer get the benefit of the doubt.

[doug45]

He's been bad all year and that Powell kid was hitting 70 yard punts in camp.


ALL Year...it has only been 3 Games. I am sorry that people are so ready to crap on a guy as soon as they let them go.

[YardRat]

I liked him, he was a good Bill during the worst period in franchise history. But he's a punter.

A decade of futility will make fans lose sight of things, but this is inconsequential.

The last memorable time for me that the Bills swapped their holder/punter for a new guy was 1990 (John Kidd went, Rick Tuten came and Frank Reich took over the holding duties for the first time).

We all know how that season ended. It isn't inconsequential to me.

That being said, if Moorman wasn't getting the job done to the coaching staff's satisfaction and they feel they can upgrade, they need to pull the trigger. Best of luck to Brian M. and thanks for being the MVP of the team for most of his tenure in Buffalo. Here's looking forward to Powell possibly being even better :beers:

[jimmifli]

Ruvell isn't critically involved with scoring plays like Moorman is.
He holds a ball. Something every punter has done since highschool. I'm sure if there were concerns of the new punters ball holding skills they wouldn't have made the move.

[YardRat]

So who will replace Moorman as special teams captain?


Ruvell Martin.

I have never negged anybody in all my years of posting on these message boards.

You, sir, are thisclosetobeingthefirst.

[stuckincincy]

[QUOTE=YardRat;3688420

., if Moorman wasn't getting the job done to the coaching staff's satisfaction and they feel they can upgrade, they need to pull the trigger. Best of luck to Brian M. and thanks for being the MVP of the team for most of his tenure in Buffalo.[/QUOTE]

Good post! :cheers:

[YardRat]

I'm not saying punters don't ever impact games, just that it's not all that often. Like the 5th WR. Nothing Moorman has done in the last couple of seasons leads me to believe that another punter can't perform just as well. Nix and Chan obviously think they can do better.

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PUNTERS ARE PEOPLE TOO!!!

[streetkings01]

Moorman has been bad for the past 3 seasons........only surprising part is the timing.

[Generalissimus Gibby]

Moorman has been bad for the past 3 seasons........only surprising part is the timing.

Lets use our craniums here, what change happened to our kicking teams three years ago? Take a stab at it but don't shank it.

[better days]

The last memorable time for me that the Bills swapped their holder/punter for a new guy was 1990 (John Kidd went, Rick Tuten came and Frank Reich took over the holding duties for the first time).

We all know how that season ended. It isn't inconsequential to me.

That being said, if Moorman wasn't getting the job done to the coaching staff's satisfaction and they feel they can upgrade, they need to pull the trigger. Best of luck to Brian M. and thanks for being the MVP of the team for most of his tenure in Buffalo. Here's looking forward to Powell possibly being even better :beers:

OK, now we just need Chan to decide to upgrade the QB position. 3 games in, is anybody happy with the play of Fitz?

[Oaf]

I don't really give a crap who kicks the ball, Skooby.

What I'm trying to say is that the team has a pattern of this type of behavior, and given that their decisions have been abysmal for over a decade, they no longer get the benefit of the doubt.

Good post H. What sucks most to me about the situation is the he was here during the bad years. Most consistent player we had. Eventually, we will rise to become a good team. He won't be around to see the fruit of all those miserable seasons. Like Moses and the promised land.

[Beebe's Kid]

OK, now we just need Chan to decide to upgrade the QB position. 3 games in, is anybody happy with the play of Fitz?

8 TDs, 3 INTs, 95 Rating, two wins in a row, with no interceptions...I'll take it.

[BertSquirtgum]

8 TDs, 3 INTs, 95 Rating, two wins in a row, with no interceptions...I'll take it.

Imagine what it would be with a good quarterback.

[Beebe's Kid]

This seems like a bunch of sentimental reasoning from a lot of cold hard realists. Where is all the "it's a business" talk? Where are all of the statistics about how Moorman isn't as good as Bills fans make him out to be?

I liked Moorman...I mean he was the best player on this team for the better part of 10 years...that is probably part of the problem...the ten years, not the best player part. People get mad when we don't upgrade, and mad when the team makes a move...you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. They signed the guy who a bunch of people were impressed with in camp, and now people don't like it. Moorman isn't going to be a free agent long...he'll have a job by the beginning of the games this week. It was a good run, but why not let him go when people are going to say "it was only a few bad games?" Maybe the people that watched him kick in practice and in camp realize it may be much more than that. I know that people on this board said they should have drafted Orakpo and on...and on...and on...but what if they would have dumped Spiller when everybody here said they should of. They did get rid of Lynch, which everybody wanted to do, but now laments because he is still a productive player.

Sometimes you take a calculated risk, and hopefully you end up being a better team for it. I don't see how getting rid of Moorman will be a decision that we regret. It sucks from a loyalty perspective, but I am not fully convinced that a lot of people here even like this team, and maybe this will be all the fodder you need to prove your predictions of 3 wins. This could be a really good thing for you, and you can still complain every time the kid doesn't get the ball out at the one. Then there will always be the fact that you can complain if we lose, or if we win. This is win/win for the message board GMs.

[Skooby]

Imagine what it would be with a good quarterback.

If a QB throws 3 TD's / no INT's & has a ~117 QB rating during a game, then I'm good with where we're sitting.

[Beebe's Kid]

Imagine what it would be with a good quarterback.

Or imagine if we had somebody like Rodgers, and only had 3 TDs with 2 INTs and 45 rating...maybe your perception is a little skewed. Maybe this guy isn't as bad as you want him to be. The best part is that he'll never be good enough for you, so you get to slur him for as long as he is here...then after he is gone, you can call the next guy a bunch of insensitive names, and say how you would have done things differently.

Smile, chuckles...you get to keep *****ing either way.

[Marcala12]

what are the money implications? how much money will the Bills save if anything by doing this?

[BertSquirtgum]

If a QB throws 3 TD's / no INT's & has a ~117 QB rating during a game, then I'm good with where we're sitting.

Imagine what it would be with a good quarterback.

[Dr. Lecter]

what are the money implications? how much money will the Bills save if anything by doing this?

They save no money.

his contract was guaranteed on the first day of the regular season.

[Skooby]

Imagine what it would be with a good quarterback.

4 TD's win by 17 / 133 QB rating instead of kneeling at the 1 to win the last game?

[Dr. Lecter]

I probably have been as big of a Moorman fan as anybody here. I have his jersey. I thought he was their best player for a number of years. I thought his athletic ability was an added weapon due to his ability to run for a first down or throw the ball. He was great in the community and with the fans. He was tough as hell (remember the hit Sean Taylor laid on him in the Pro Bowl?)

But I am more than a little shocked at the reaction here and the way people are acting. How exactly did the Bills do him wrong? He still gets paid. He had a long career here. He was not what he once was. The kicks did not have the hang time. They did not have the directional accuracy. The Bills had brought in a young guy to be legitimate competition in training camp and Moorman barely won the job. They moved the position to ayounger player who has a ton of potential.

I hate to see him go. I wish he could have been on this team when they finally make the playoffs. But it is not to be. However, they also did not do anything horrible by letting him go. At the end of the day this is a business and if a guy is not good enough, then he gets replaced.

The 45.5 yard average was 20th, and was not spectacular. He had a bad punt that resulted in a Jets TD. He had a bad game against the Browns, as his last punt went right to Cribbs.

People need to calm the heck down. This is not like letting an in his prime Pat Williams go.

[Dr. Lecter]

I don't really give a crap who kicks the ball, Skooby.

What I'm trying to say is that the team has a pattern of this type of behavior, and given that their decisions have been abysmal for over a decade, they no longer get the benefit of the doubt.
Who has this regime dumped that has gone on and done anything elsewhere? Lynch has, but he had one foot out the door and is a suspension waiting to happen.

Lee Evans?

[streetkings01]

Moorman was never our best player. He was a very good punter..............but he was never the best player on the team. He was the freaking punter! Only Bills fans and Raiders fans would get emotional over the release of the punter. The Giants have replaced their punter just about every year.......I doubt their fans are crying over it.

[OpIv37]

This seems like a bunch of sentimental reasoning from a lot of cold hard realists. Where is all the "it's a business" talk? Where are all of the statistics about how Moorman isn't as good as Bills fans make him out to be?

I liked Moorman...I mean he was the best player on this team for the better part of 10 years...that is probably part of the problem...the ten years, not the best player part. People get mad when we don't upgrade, and mad when the team makes a move...you don't get to have your cake and eat it too. They signed the guy who a bunch of people were impressed with in camp, and now people don't like it. Moorman isn't going to be a free agent long...he'll have a job by the beginning of the games this week. It was a good run, but why not let him go when people are going to say "it was only a few bad games?" Maybe the people that watched him kick in practice and in camp realize it may be much more than that. I know that people on this board said they should have drafted Orakpo and on...and on...and on...but what if they would have dumped Spiller when everybody here said they should of. They did get rid of Lynch, which everybody wanted to do, but now laments because he is still a productive player.

Sometimes you take a calculated risk, and hopefully you end up being a better team for it. I don't see how getting rid of Moorman will be a decision that we regret. It sucks from a loyalty perspective, but I am not fully convinced that a lot of people here even like this team, and maybe this will be all the fodder you need to prove your predictions of 3 wins. This could be a really good thing for you, and you can still complain every time the kid doesn't get the ball out at the one. Then there will always be the fact that you can complain if we lose, or if we win. This is win/win for the message board GMs.

nothing about this strikes you as odd? Suddenly, after 10 years of absolute crap, after letting tons of mediocre guys linger on the roster, NOW the Bills decide they're going to have standards? NOW the Bills decide that they're gonna cut mediocre players and make moves mid-season? Moorman is perhaps the ONLY bright spot of the last decade of Bills football, and he becomes the first one that gets treated like this? What the hell? I mean, Chris Kelsay gets new contract after new contract, but Moorman gets treated like this? and people wonder why players don't want to come to Buffalo?

More importantly, if they were going to make a move, why not just cut him at the end of camp? Why risk someone else picking up Powell and cost Powell the practice time and game experience?

The whole thing just wreaks of bad decisions.

[Skooby]

Moorman was never our best player. He was a very good punter..............but he was never the best player on the team. He was the freaking punter! Only Bills fans and Raiders fans would get emotional over the release of the punter. The Giants have replaced their punter just about every year.......I doubt their fans are crying over it.

Moorman was our most consistent player over the past 12 years, age has a way of creeping up on people & we had options that should work out well. I will never forget him but I want to forget the time spent in futility, goodluck to him in the future.

[imbondz]

nothing about this strikes you as odd? Suddenly, after 10 years of absolute crap, after letting tons of mediocre guys linger on the roster, NOW the Bills decide they're going to have standards? NOW the Bills decide that they're gonna cut mediocre players and make moves mid-season? Moorman is perhaps the ONLY bright spot of the last decade of Bills football, and he becomes the first one that gets treated like this? What the hell? I mean, Chris Kelsay gets new contract after new contract, but Moorman gets treated like this? and people wonder why players don't want to come to Buffalo?

More importantly, if they were going to make a move, why not just cut him at the end of camp? Why risk someone else picking up Powell and cost Powell the practice time and game experience?

The whole thing just wreaks of bad decisions.

totally agree.

[better days]

nothing about this strikes you as odd? Suddenly, after 10 years of absolute crap, after letting tons of mediocre guys linger on the roster, NOW the Bills decide they're going to have standards? NOW the Bills decide that they're gonna cut mediocre players and make moves mid-season? Moorman is perhaps the ONLY bright spot of the last decade of Bills football, and he becomes the first one that gets treated like this? What the hell? I mean, Chris Kelsay gets new contract after new contract, but Moorman gets treated like this? and people wonder why players don't want to come to Buffalo?

More importantly, if they were going to make a move, why not just cut him at the end of camp? Why risk someone else picking up Powell and cost Powell the practice time and game experience?

The whole thing just wreaks of bad decisions.

Well, by keeping him on the roster opening day, the Bills guaranteed Moormans salary for the year. I'm sure he & other players around the league would think that is a good thing.

[imbondz]

Well, by keeping him on the roster opening day, the Bills guaranteed Moormans salary for the year. I'm sure he & other players around the league would think that is a good thing.

good point. not sure that was planned out of the kindness of the Bills organizations heart, but possibly.

[BertSquirtgum]

4 TD's win by 17 / 133 QB rating instead of kneeling at the 1 to win the last game?

He would definitely have at least 400 yards. The Browns D was atrocious.

[Skooby]

nothing about this strikes you as odd? Suddenly, after 10 years of absolute crap, after letting tons of mediocre guys linger on the roster, NOW the Bills decide they're going to have standards? NOW the Bills decide that they're gonna cut mediocre players and make moves mid-season? Moorman is perhaps the ONLY bright spot of the last decade of Bills football, and he becomes the first one that gets treated like this? What the hell? I mean, Chris Kelsay gets new contract after new contract, but Moorman gets treated like this? and people wonder why players don't want to come to Buffalo?

More importantly, if they were going to make a move, why not just cut him at the end of camp? Why risk someone else picking up Powell and cost Powell the practice time and game experience?

The whole thing just wreaks of bad decisions.

When does the decision to improve from near or below .500 to better than that begin?? Maybe after spending $100 M on one incredibly gifted player or pushing the salary cap within 10% of the limits ?? Maybe you'd like us to be be 25% below the cap or to not try & improve the team ?? 36 year old players normally don't perform like early 20's players in the same position then I assume right ?? Maybe Cordy Glenn's average amount of yards per rush to his side is not the best in the NFL then right ??

Talented youth without upside rocks age with experience, everything being a near equal with upside.

[Skooby]

He would definitely have at least 400 yards. The Browns D was atrocious.

He being who ?? The magic fairy from QB land ?? You're asking for improvement without a equal or better current replacement, it's actually a questionable debate based on Fitz's knowing the current system to be applied. Have seen Fitz's hand the ball off that created a problem ? Did he fail to properly perform the past few games? Thinking that NE's defense is going to smoke or challenge us this week is actually sorta sad, we're probably going to run all over them.

[Dr. Lecter]

He would definitely have at least 400 yards. The Browns D was atrocious.

Why would be when Choice had 90+ yards and he only threw 17 times?

And why do you have to act like this?

[BertSquirtgum]

Why would be when Choice had 90+ yards and he only threw 17 times?

And why do you have to act like this?

Why do I want another Jim Kelly or someone close to as good as him? Why wouldn't I?

[Tbuffalobills]

I'll miss him!!! Best of luck!

[Skooby]

Why do I want another Jim Kelly or someone close to as good as him? Why wouldn't I?

Where to suppose this player be obtained from?

[kishoph]

Where to suppose this player be obtained from?


From Hurkeyland (the land of Solipsism, a very dark place, where all dreams die)




For those that don't want to look it up, Solipsism is the theory or view that the self is the only reality/extreme egocentrism.
And I'm only joking Hurkey, everyone is entitled to an opinion, I may not agree with most of yours, but I respect your rite to have one.

[GingerP]

Who has this regime dumped that has gone on and done anything elsewhere? Lynch has, but he had one foot out the door and is a suspension waiting to happen.

Lee Evans?

The only ones I could think of with this regime are Geoff Hangartner, Paul Posluszny, Donte Whitner, Anthony Hargrove, Richie Incognito, Danny Aiken and (to a lesser degree) Aaron Maybin.

And... before you jump down my throat, I was just answering your question.

[Dr. Lecter]

The only ones I could think of with this regime are Geoff Hangartner, Paul Posluszny, Donte Whitner, Anthony Hargrove, Richie Incognito, Danny Aiken and (to a lesser degree) Aaron Maybin.

And... before you jump down my throat, I was just answering your question.

Incognito? Hargrove?Hangartner? Have those two really done much of anything? Hargrove is a FA and is a fringe player. Hangartner is a fringe starter. Incognito is another fringe starter

Whitner is somebody I did not dislike as most. Poz is way overpaid. (and both left as FA - which is a different situation than being dumped - traded or cut).

[Historian]

nothing about this strikes you as odd?

I guess this is the idea I was trying to convey. (thanks OP)

It kind of reminds me of changing Offensive coordinators five days before opening day.

Many of the decisions at 1BD seem to fly in the face of conventional football wisdom, that's all.

[GingerP]

Incognito? Hargrove?Hangartner? Have those two really done much of anything? Hargrove is a FA and is a fringe player. Hangartner is a fringe starter. Incognito is another fringe starter

Whitner is somebody I did not dislike as most. Poz is way overpaid. (and both left as FA - which is a different situation than being dumped - traded or cut).

You asked "Who has this regime dumped that has gone on and done anything elsewhere?" I am not commenting on whether they should have been kept. All those guys have gone on and "done anything elsewhere".

Hangartner is a starting C for one of the NFL's better offenses the last couple years. Incognito has been a starter his entire career. Whitner is a starting S on the best defense in the NFL. Poz may be overpaid, but he had 120 tackles, 2 Ints, 9 passes defensed, 2 sacks and a forced fumble as a starting MLB on a defense that played pretty good for a team that had no offense. Hargrove had 5 sacks as a valuable DL on a team that won the Super Bowl the year after the Bills cut him.

You can add Dwan Edwards to the list, forgot about him. You asked for guys who had success after leaving here, all those guys did. They went on to start for other teams.

I think it is annoying when fans trash players who leave. All those guys have been good players since leaving. That isn't a slight to the Bills.

[YardRat]

Lou Piccone cried when Conrad Dobler was released.

[GingerP]

I guess this is the idea I was trying to convey. (thanks OP)

It kind of reminds me of changing Offensive coordinators five days before opening day.

Many of the decisions at 1BD seem to fly in the face of conventional football wisdom, that's all.

I agree the one odd thing is the timing. He got off to a poor start, but he has enough of a track record that you would think they would give him more than a few games to come around. The Jets gave up on Steve Weatherford and he went on to have a great year for the Super Bowl champions. You would think they would show more patience with Moorman, or if they knew he was declining cut him after camp. Doing it after 3 games is what is odd.

That said, there is stuff we don't know. Maybe they were afraid that Shawn Powell was going elsewhere, so they had to move now. He did work out for the Jets after being released in camp. Several teams have made punter changes. Time will tell if they made the right decision.

[Historian]

Who has this regime dumped that has gone on and done anything elsewhere? Lynch has, but he had one foot out the door and is a suspension waiting to happen.

Lee Evans?

Gary Anderson.

(Just had to pull a piece of history out of my ass for you, Dr, lol!)

[gebobs]

Daryl Lamonica.

[Dr. Lecter]

You asked "Who has this regime dumped that has gone on and done anything elsewhere?" I am not commenting on whether they should have been kept. All those guys have gone on and "done anything elsewhere".

Hangartner is a starting C for one of the NFL's better offenses the last couple years. Incognito has been a starter his entire career. Whitner is a starting S on the best defense in the NFL. Poz may be overpaid, but he had 120 tackles, 2 Ints, 9 passes defensed, 2 sacks and a forced fumble as a starting MLB on a defense that played pretty good for a team that had no offense. Hargrove had 5 sacks as a valuable DL on a team that won the Super Bowl the year after the Bills cut him.

You can add Dwan Edwards to the list, forgot about him. You asked for guys who had success after leaving here, all those guys did. They went on to start for other teams.

I think it is annoying when fans trash players who leave. All those guys have been good players since leaving. That isn't a slight to the Bills.

I am not trashing them, you are missing the point.

Teams let players go, It happens in the NFL. This team has a lot of crappy players throughout the years. Moorman was not one of them, but he also is not what he once was.

[Bulldog]

I guess this is the idea I was trying to convey. (thanks OP)

It kind of reminds me of changing Offensive coordinators five days before opening day.

Many of the decisions at 1BD seem to fly in the face of conventional football wisdom, that's all.

Apples and oranges. You honestly can't compare dumping your offensive coordinator 5 days before the season starts and dumping a punter heading into the fourth week. If said punters name wasn't Moorman, I'm guessing nobody would really care. Now if you think the guy can still play and are pissed they let him go, that's another story all together.

[GingerP]

I am not trashing them, you are missing the point.

I thought you were trashing them by calling them "fringe starters". Hangartner is the starting C for an offense that was 7th in the NFL a year ago. Incognito has been a starting OG in the NFL for years. Whitner is a starting S on the NFL's best defense. Posluszny had a very good year for Jacksonville as a starting MLB. These guys aren't scrubs, or fringe starters, and calling them that is trashing them.

Again, I was just answering your question. I never really disagreed with you, I just answered your question. Several players this team has cut have gone on to start on other teams. That is probably true for other teams as well. Life in the NFL.

I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you about Moorman either, though I think the timing is curious. If they felt he was declining and wanted to replace him, they probably should have done it in preseason. They kept him, which makes me think they thought he was the best option they had at punter. Now, 3 games later they cut him. That doesn't seem like much time, which makes one think there was something else to it.

[Historian]

Apples and oranges. You honestly can't compare dumping your offensive coordinator 5 days before the season starts and dumping a punter heading into the fourth week. If said punters name wasn't Moorman, I'm guessing nobody would really care. Now if you think the guy can still play and are pissed they let him go, that's another story all together.

It has nothing to do with either apples or oranges.

It has to do with the decision making process at the Supermarket.

[Historian]

And the only precedent I can see for this was the four game "tryout" they seemed to give Trent Edwards.

Perhaps that's Gailey's way. Seeing a 'marginal' player comepete in real game situations before making a decision on him.

If that's the case, then I applaud him for the type and the depth of the research he does.

Can't say it's not fair.

[Bulldog]

It has nothing to do with either apples or oranges.

It has to do with the decision making process at the Supermarket.

Well, I don't think it's as risky as switching place kickers in the middle of the season, and that happens pretty frequently. I realize there's been a lot of questionable/terrible decisions made in the past, I just don't think this qualifies as one of them. The Bill obviously felt like he wasn't performing up to expectations, so they went in another direction. It happens.

[Bulldog]

And the only precedent I can see for this was the four game "tryout" they seemed to give Trent Edwards.

Perhaps that's Gailey's way. Seeing a 'marginal' player comepete in real game situations before making a decision on him.

If that's the case, then I applaud him for the type and the depth of the research he does.

Can't say it's not fair.

Agreed. Maybe because of his history with the team, Gailey felt like they at least owed it to Moorman to give him an opportunity to prove himself in the regular season before pulling the plug. After three weeks, it became obvious that wasn't going to happen, so they made the switch.

[justasportsfan]

You asked for a list and Gibby gave you one....a very short one.

He could have made it about five pages long.yeah but your post that I quoted implied were "moves like these" that were mistakes. The only move that we made a huge mistake was letting Pat Williams go. Even then most of the board said he was asking too much at that time. Letting Moulds, Reed, Bruce etc. go weren't exactly bad moves. This could be a bad move but we can't tell until a year or two down the road. HOw long should we hold on to fan favorites who are not as good as they used to be?

The biggest problems we had the last 12 years were not getting rid of fan favorites who were not as productive. They were hiring bad GMs, coaches and not drafting well.

Powell won the punter of the year award in college. While it's not exactly a Heisman award , he was on of if not the best punter out of college. Did he beat out Morman at camp? No but Fitz didn't beat out Trent nor did Flutie beat out Robosack.

I'm just saying this move needs more time to evaluate. It' happens all the time when teams bring in rookies to replace vets.

[justasportsfan]

nothing about this strikes you as odd? Suddenly, after 10 years of absolute crap, after letting tons of mediocre guys linger on the roster, NOW the Bills decide they're going to have standards? NOW the Bills decide that they're gonna cut mediocre players and make moves mid-season? Moorman is perhaps the ONLY bright spot of the last decade of Bills football, and he becomes the first one that gets treated like this? What the hell? I mean, Chris Kelsay gets new contract after new contract, but Moorman gets treated like this? and people wonder why players don't want to come to Buffalo?

More importantly, if they were going to make a move, why not just cut him at the end of camp? Why risk someone else picking up Powell and cost Powell the practice time and game experience?

The whole thing just wreaks of bad decisions.


treated like what? The guy is getting paid.
Holy crap OP. for all the whines you've made in the past why is it a problem for an FO to try and fix or try and improve on a certain position. Typical, the bills are damned if they do damned if they don't.

[justasportsfan]

You asked "Who has this regime dumped that has gone on and done anything elsewhere?" I am not commenting on whether they should have been kept. All those guys have gone on and "done anything elsewhere".

Hangartner is a starting C for one of the NFL's better offenses the last couple years. Incognito has been a starter his entire career. Whitner is a starting S on the best defense in the NFL. Poz may be overpaid, but he had 120 tackles, 2 Ints, 9 passes defensed, 2 sacks and a forced fumble as a starting MLB on a defense that played pretty good for a team that had no offense. Hargrove had 5 sacks as a valuable DL on a team that won the Super Bowl the year after the Bills cut him.

You can add Dwan Edwards to the list, forgot about him. You asked for guys who had success after leaving here, all those guys did. They went on to start for other teams.

I think it is annoying when fans trash players who leave. All those guys have been good players since leaving. That isn't a slight to the Bills.



the only reason why Dwan is a starter somewhere else is because they don't have Dareus and Kyle. Same goes with Hangartner, they don't have Wood. I don't care about Incognito, our OL is better than the fins.

POZ is an average overpaid player. Wait til' OP reads this part of your post. Oh wait, he's on your side of this argument so he won't take it against you.

[stuckincincy]

From Hurkeyland (the land of Solipsism, a very dark place, where all dreams die)

For those that don't want to look it up, Solipsism is the theory or view that the self is the only reality/extreme egocentrism.
And I'm only joking Hurkey, everyone is entitled to an opinion, I may not agree with most of yours, but I respect your rite to have one.


Heh - here's a book that I think you would enjoy:

An Incomplete Education - From Plato to Planck's Constant...Einstein to Gerturde Stein...Twelfth Night to Twelve-Tone Theory...Half-life to the Afterlife, by Judy Jones and William Wilson, 3rd Edition, Ballantine Books New York, ISBN 978-307-29139-4.

It is a real hoot!

[kishoph]

Heh - here's a book that I think you would enjoy:




I don't get it. :headscrat

[stuckincincy]

I don't get it. :headscrat

Well, it's not often someone uses the word solipsism on a sports forum.

The book is a vade mecum - with lots of decidedly humorous treatment of subjects like lexicon, science, film, art, music, philosophy, economics and so forth.

For example, the chapter on Psychology has subsections named "Herr Doktor, What's Wrong with Me?, "Hello, Jung Lovers", "Return with Us Now to a Quiet Side Street in a Working-Class Neighborhood in Turn-of-the-Century Vienna.

[Albany,n.y.]

The only ones I could think of with this regime are Geoff Hangartner, Paul Posluszny, Donte Whitner, Anthony Hargrove, Richie Incognito, Danny Aiken and (to a lesser degree) Aaron Maybin.

And... before you jump down my throat, I was just answering your question.

You can't call a player who left the team as a unrestricted free agent a dumped player. On your list over half the guys left to sign elsewhere. Just because someone was willing to pay someone more than the Bills doesn't mean the Bills dumped him. Of the 3 truly dumped players you mentioned, 1 was a salary dump-very common when you lose your starting job, one was a total bust as a Bills 1st round pick and the 3rd was a rookie long snapper who was beaten out by a better long snapper-no team keeps two long snappers unless one is injured.
If you want to define an unrestricted free agent as a player dumped by another team then you have to include M. Williams & Anderson as players dumped by their team. You can't call our free agent losses dumped & not call all our free agent signees dumpees from their team. Defining an UFA as a dumped player makes no sense.

[GingerP]

the only reason why Dwan is a starter somewhere else is because they don't have Dareus and Kyle. Same goes with Hangartner, they don't have Wood. I don't care about Incognito, our OL is better than the fins.

POZ is an average overpaid player. Wait til' OP reads this part of your post. Oh wait, he's on your side of this argument so he won't take it against you.

For the final time, I never said they should have been kept. I understand player leave for various reasons, such as salary cap or scheme fit. Obviously, the Bills roster is so stacked that there aren't more than a handful of of players that would even be able to backup their collection of hall-of-fame talent, right?

He said "Who has this regime dumped that has gone on and done anything elsewhere?" I was answering that question, because there are a number of guys that have left for whatever reason that are now starters on other teams.

The bashing of guys like Posluszny and Whitner is a little silly. Neither is an elite talent, but both are quality starters in the league. Yeah, they probably weren't as good here, but both are starting and playing key roles for their new teams. Given the performance of their defense, I think SF is pretty happy with Whitner's play. I would say the same in Jacksonville, where Posluszny is a 3-down LB on a pretty good defense (6th in the NFL last year, despite their offense being league-worst). They are good players, move on.

[GingerP]

You can't call a player who left the team as a unrestricted free agent a dumped player.

I guess it is sematics. I was defining it as them not bringing the player back. And... again, I am not saying they were mistakes. I am merely saying they have been good players after the team decided they were better off without them.

[justasportsfan]

For the final time, I never said they should have been kept. I understand player leave for various reasons, such as salary cap or scheme fit. Obviously, the Bills roster is so stacked that there aren't more than a handful of of players that would even be able to backup their collection of hall-of-fame talent, right?

He said "Who has this regime dumped that has gone on and done anything elsewhere?" I was answering that question, because there are a number of guys that have left for whatever reason that are now starters on other teams.

The bashing of guys like Posluszny and Whitner is a little silly. Neither is an elite talent, but both are quality starters in the league. Yeah, they probably weren't as good here, but both are starting and playing key roles for their new teams. Given the performance of their defense, I think SF is pretty happy with Whitner's play. I would say the same in Jacksonville, where Posluszny is a 3-down LB on a pretty good defense (6th in the NFL last year, despite their offense being league-worst). They are good players, move on.so I guess this has no bearing on letting Moorman go.

[GingerP]

so I guess this has no bearing on letting Moorman go.

Well, he asked a question, I answered it. The only thing curious about the Moorman release is the timing. If they felt his performance was declining, why did they keep him out of camp? If it were moving on they would have done it then. I think there is more to it, that's all.

I would not be surprised if Moorman signs with someone else and has a good season, though. I find it hard to believe he isn't as least as good as the average NFL punter.

[justasportsfan]

Well, he asked a question, I answered it. The only thing curious about the Moorman release is the timing. If they felt his performance was declining, why did they keep him out of camp? If it were moving on they would have done it then. I think there is more to it, that's all.. see Trent Edwards


I would not be surprised if Moorman signs with someone else and has a good season, though. I find it hard to believe he isn't as least as good as the average NFL punter. neither would I but his nos. this season might make another team wonder.

[Ingtar33]

Also, this is a pretty douchey way to treat the one player who was consistently good during some god-awful years.

I agree.


My thoughts exactly. This will also resonate around the league come free agency and dealings with agents and players that the Bills are disloyal to their own. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but this could also be demoralization amongst other guys that have stuck it out through the thin years with the Bills and stuck around.

It will resonate with the players, it's hard not to, when someone who's been to Hawaii and is having a statistically fantastic year is cut like this. I don't like it at all, and I figure the idiots at OBD were sniffing glue or Moorman was in a dispute with the coaches/management about something.


Nothing more demoralizing to a team than releasing a longstanding perennial pro-bowler who's stuck with the team throughout A LOT of lean years who also is respected in the locker room and is a team captain.

Moorman brought a lot more than punting to the bills game. As one of the better athletes on the team he was a legit threat on special teams for a fake. Something most punters are not. Also he kept punt coverage teams honest, no one really tried to block Moorman's punts because he tended to audible to passes and catch defenses with their pants down when he saw them coming (to some spectacular results). After his first two years teams stopped sending the house all together. No other punter in the league got that type of respect.

[mikemac2001]

the coach wanted him to punt a certain way...but moorman didnt fit it

my issue was why change something that wasnt broken? the style made Moorman's value drop and the switch was made i think its dumb i know its a business

[justasportsfan]

I have yet to hear anyone say that the current FO is a douche unlike the Donahoe era. Maybe it starts today but so far nothing bad has been said.

[Skooby]

I have yet to hear anyone say that the current FO is a douche unlike the Donahoe era. Maybe it starts today but so far nothing bad has been said.

Drastically improving our talent level is hard to argue against.

[justasportsfan]

Drastically improving our talent level is hard to argue against.

I'm talking about not hearing anything from players about how this FO treated them unfairly or let them go in a classless way.

[Dr. Lecter]

I agree.


How is it douchey at all?



It will resonate with the players, it's hard not to, when someone who's been to Hawaii and is having a statistically fantastic year is cut like this. I don't like it at all, and I figure the idiots at OBD were sniffing glue or Moorman was in a dispute with the coaches/management about something.

How was his year statistically fantastic?

Have you read any of his stats?

20th in gross average and 31st in net.

That is fantastic to you?




Moorman brought a lot more than punting to the bills game. As one of the better athletes on the team he was a legit threat on special teams for a fake. Something most punters are not. Also he kept punt coverage teams honest, no one really tried to block Moorman's punts because he tended to audible to passes and catch defenses with their pants down when he saw them coming (to some spectacular results). After his first two years teams stopped sending the house all together. No other punter in the league got that type of respect.

They have not ran one of those fakes in a few years. So I think you are wrong here too.

[mysticsoto]

I agree.

It will resonate with the players, it's hard not to, when someone who's been to Hawaii and is having a statistically fantastic year is cut like this. I don't like it at all, and I figure the idiots at OBD were sniffing glue or Moorman was in a dispute with the coaches/management about something.

Moorman brought a lot more than punting to the bills game. As one of the better athletes on the team he was a legit threat on special teams for a fake. Something most punters are not. Also he kept punt coverage teams honest, no one really tried to block Moorman's punts because he tended to audible to passes and catch defenses with their pants down when he saw them coming (to some spectacular results). After his first two years teams stopped sending the house all together. No other punter in the league got that type of respect.

1st, Moorman can't get alot of air/hang time anymore. So though he may still have kicking distance, the opponents are usually 20+ yds returned before they can get tackled and stopped. Therefore, his distance ability is quite diminished.

2nd, when was the last time you saw a fake punt and run by Moorman. Yeah, I often felt they should use him more with his athleticism & speed, but that was years ago when he was at his peak. Not sure that he'd be as effective now.

I think you're speaking more out of loyalty than being objective and realizing that he was beginning to deteriorate. I feel bad for him, but every player has to go through this. He's got a few mil in his pocket and a name. Bills fans will remember him as a great Punter. Let's just leave it at that and move on.

[gebobs]

Among the previous 200+ posts, someone must have noted that he was the holder on kicks. Who is going to do that now?

How much would it suck to lose to the Pats by a point because Lindell kicked laces?

[Slim]

Among the previous 200+ posts, someone must have noted that he was the holder on kicks. Who is going to do that now?

Powell held for Potter in the preseason. In practice today Thigpen and Powell were doing the holding.

[justasportsfan]

Powell held for Potter in the preseason. In practice today Thigpen and Powell were doing the holding.

he was the holder in college as well.

[gebobs]

he was the holder in college as well.
Fine, but some people, Lindell included, will tell you that chemistry between snapper, holder, and kicker is critical. Let's just hope that it doesn't affect them at a critical point.

[justasportsfan]

Fine, but some people, Lindell included, will tell you that chemistry between snapper, holder, and kicker is critical. Let's just hope that it doesn't affect them at a critical point.

lindell is one chip shot miss away from being next.

[Historian]

lindell is one chip shot miss away from being next.

How is #3 (I don't even know his ****ing name) as a placekicker?

Did they let him try any in pre-season?

[ublinkwescore]

Isnt it obvious guys? We are never punting again with our two stud running backs, and our nasty Oline. Damn its good to be a bills fan.

[Novacane]

He has been shanking every punt and he was also responsible for the punt return TD for the Jets in week 1.

I agree. He was awful Sunday. I don't have a problem with the move. Better to get rid of an aging player a year to early than a year to late.

[SquishDaFish]

Looks like hes going to be a Cowboy

[justasportsfan]

How is #3 (I don't even know his ****ing name) as a placekicker?

Did they let him try any in pre-season?

Potter as a place kicker? He's doing very well.Definitely better than Lindell. It's not hard when to do when Lindell is one of the worst place kicker in the league for sometime now.

As a fg kicker, I guess they're going with Lindell for now. There was one day at camp where Potter was 5-6. His Only miss was from 57 yards.

[Bill Cody]

I agree. He was awful Sunday. I don't have a problem with the move. Better to get rid of an aging player a year to early than a year to late.

We'll see. I personally doubt he's close to done. Even punters have bad days. If we cut everyone that had a bad day we wouldn't ever field a team.

[Philagape]

Cowboys signed him, per Tim Graham on Twitter

[kishoph]

We'll see. I personally doubt he's close to done. Even punters have bad days. If we cut everyone that had a bad day we wouldn't ever field a team.


When your "bad day" is going on it's 3rd season, it's time to make a move. Strategically I like the move, emotionally, not so much. When camp began, I thought it might be a possibility that the Bills would release him, especially with Powell's credentials, but Moorman had a great preseason, which is why I understand that the Bills didn't make the move in August or sooner. Moorman was a class act and did a lot for the Bills and the community. He is easily one of the best punters in Bills history and hopefully when he retires, it will be as a Buffalo Bill. I'd be lying if I said that I hope he lands with another team, I wish he would retire tomorrow. I know that is totally selfish, but I'm being honest. Plus I don't want a memory of him going to another team and end up getting cut in 2 weeks or really struggling. Good luck in whatever he does.