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  • chernobylwraiths
    Registered User
    • Jan 2003
    • 41838
    #1

    some observations

    Thought EJ looked pretty good.

    Loved Sammy Watkins, made even not on target throws seem ordinary.

    I liked how Spiller looked and feel he might be trade bait, because Watkins can do the same type of things he can, Freddy was extended, Brown looked good and Dixon is a beast. If they keep him, they have a great group of running backs.

    With Watkins, Woods and Williams, we also have a really nice group of receivers.

    I firmly believe EJ will be fine, he needs time to grow.

    Defense looked really good, but might have difficulty with a running QB.

    Lastly, anyone who feels that we already need a new QB or that EJ isn't the answer after only 10 games and barely any preseason games is a ***** moron. There are far more good to great QBs that didn't play well until there second or third year than ones played good from their first game/year. Let's give the guy a freaking chance for crying out loud.
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  • Typ0
    honey pie
    • Jul 2002
    • 32593
    #2
    Re: some observations

    it's his second year not his first game/year. There has not been movement in the off season. You can make the same lame argument about Rob Johnson, Trent Edwards, JP Lossman etc. There are far more QBs who don't amount to **** and if you put all your eggs into their baskets you end up being the Bills.
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    • Parzival
      This is a list: They're my demands
      • Aug 2012
      • 369
      #3
      Re: some observations

      I also thought EJ looked markedly better in this game. Far from perfect, but dare I say, competent? He still is young after all. One decent game doesnt amount to much though so let's see if he can keep improving.

      Defense looks legit. Would be reallllly nice to have Kiko.
      Over thinking, over analyzing, separates the body from the mind.
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      • Fletch
        Registered User
        • May 2007
        • 3166
        #4
        Re: some observations

        Not sure what you guys were watching. KneeJ looked good on the first drive, typical for us. After that he went 2 for 6 and looked problematic.

        The rest doesn't matter and there are too many variables here to base "how the team looks" on two series. Most people here pretty much agree that if KneeJ plays well the team will. I disagree to an extent with that, but that's immaterial. By everyone's logic all that should matter is how KneeJ plays.

        So far this preseason he's had one good drive. The first one in this game. The second drive he sucked. The third drive he had one notable pass.

        Anyone thinking that this demonstrates improvement is deluding themselves.
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        The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

        You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

        Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

        The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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        "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

        "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

        "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

        Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

        "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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        • MitchMurrayDowntown
          Skoobasaurus-Rex
          • Oct 2011
          • 22284
          #5
          Re: some observations

          Originally posted by Fletch View Post
          Not sure what you guys were watching. KneeJ looked good on the first drive, typical for us. After that he went 2 for 6 and looked problematic.

          The rest doesn't matter and there are too many variables here to base "how the team looks" on two series. Most people here pretty much agree that if KneeJ plays well the team will. I disagree to an extent with that, but that's immaterial. By everyone's logic all that should matter is how KneeJ plays.

          So far this preseason he's had one good drive. The first one in this game. The second drive he sucked. The third drive he had one notable pass.

          Anyone thinking that this demonstrates improvement is deluding themselves.
          Kneej? Can't we get a higher caliber of troll in here ?
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          • Swiper
            Legendary Zoner
            • Sep 2010
            • 33105
            #6
            Re: some observations

            Originally posted by chernobylwraiths View Post
            Thought EJ looked pretty good.

            Loved Sammy Watkins, made even not on target throws seem ordinary.

            I liked how Spiller looked and feel he might be trade bait, because Watkins can do the same type of things he can, Freddy was extended, Brown looked good and Dixon is a beast. If they keep him, they have a great group of running backs.

            With Watkins, Woods and Williams, we also have a really nice group of receivers.

            I firmly believe EJ will be fine, he needs time to grow.

            Defense looked really good, but might have difficulty with a running QB.

            Lastly, anyone who feels that we already need a new QB or that EJ isn't the answer after only 10 games and barely any preseason games is a ***** moron. There are far more good to great QBs that didn't play well until there second or third year than ones played good from their first game/year. Let's give the guy a freaking chance for crying out loud.
            Well you're right about Spiller at least.

            Tuel and Manuel started at the same time. The development in Tuel has been levels higher than that of Manuel. Its easy to see on the field.

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            • chernobylwraiths
              Registered User
              • Jan 2003
              • 41838
              #7
              Re: some observations

              Originally posted by Typ0 View Post
              it's his second year not his first game/year. There has not been movement in the off season. You can make the same lame argument about Rob Johnson, Trent Edwards, JP Lossman etc. There are far more QBs who don't amount to **** and if you put all your eggs into their baskets you end up being the Bills.
              I know, it's the internet age of "if you aren't great by the 3rd game, then you're out. You're the type of "he has to be great now" idiot I'm talking about. I've seen far worse in QBs for the Bills and seen enough good things from EJ to be more patient. A QB, even all of those in that group, need to be given a chance to get better and all of them did and proved they weren't good enough. But they still needed time, and got it. Now is EJ's time. And we don't have any other options right now.
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              • chernobylwraiths
                Registered User
                • Jan 2003
                • 41838
                #8
                Re: some observations

                Originally posted by Fletch View Post
                Not sure what you guys were watching. KneeJ looked good on the first drive, typical for us. After that he went 2 for 6 and looked problematic.

                The rest doesn't matter and there are too many variables here to base "how the team looks" on two series. Most people here pretty much agree that if KneeJ plays well the team will. I disagree to an extent with that, but that's immaterial. By everyone's logic all that should matter is how KneeJ plays.

                So far this preseason he's had one good drive. The first one in this game. The second drive he sucked. The third drive he had one notable pass.

                Anyone thinking that this demonstrates improvement is deluding themselves.
                Well your second sentence proves you don't know what you are talking about. The Bills under EJ have been terrible starters typically. Carolina's defense is typically pretty damned good too.
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                • chernobylwraiths
                  Registered User
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 41838
                  #9
                  Re: some observations

                  Originally posted by Swiper View Post
                  Well you're right about Spiller at least.

                  Tuel and Manuel started at the same time. The development in Tuel has been levels higher than that of Manuel. Its easy to see on the field.
                  Yeah, Tuel sure looks good against backups. Easy to see that.

                  I do remember how he looked against Cleveland and KC last year.
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                  • Swiper
                    Legendary Zoner
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 33105
                    #10
                    Re: some observations

                    Originally posted by chernobylwraiths View Post
                    Yeah, Tuel sure looks good against backups. Easy to see that.

                    I do remember how he looked against Cleveland and KC last year.
                    If you understand what you're looking at, you would agree with all the reports that have him as noticeably improved. That versus every day camp reports of Manuel struggling.

                    Again, I'm not suggesting the Bills start Tuel over their 2013 first round pick, but - both QBs started at the same time. One has clearly showed improvement. One clearly has not. All the people claiming "Manuel looked good" don't seem to see that Hackett is giving him quick single read looks that would make most any high school QB look good. When he takes actual time to look around for a receiver he always takes too long, usually getting sacked. The only pass (where they let him look) that "worked out for him" was that completion to Mike Williams over the middle. Manuel actually found the receiver. But then threw the ball too high. It only worked out because Williams leapt up an grabbed it.
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                    • Famous Amos
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2013
                      • 583
                      #11
                      Re: some observations

                      One pass by EJ stood out to me. It was for a first down. There was some pressure and he had to get rid of it fast because the pocket was collapsing. So he calmly chucks a three yard spear at CJ Spiller in traffic, flat footed. Almost looked like an after thought. Spiller did a nice job corralling the ball. It showed patience, poise and confidence.
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                      • SquishDaFish
                        Lets GO BUFFALO!!
                        • Jun 2005
                        • 17034
                        #12
                        Re: some observations

                        What a

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                        • Thurmal
                          Registered User
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 2412
                          #13
                          Re: some observations

                          I don't want the EJ thing to turn into what the Rams do with Bradford and what the Vikes did with Ponder -- playing a QB that sucks for 3 years just because he is a first rounder and hoping that he'll somehow become good out of nowhere.

                          He's got a ton of weapons on this team. If he struggles this year they need to cut the cord, period. I'm tired of watching this team suck.
                          "Miami played pretty damn good today and still got their ass kicked."
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                          • Typ0
                            honey pie
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 32593
                            #14
                            Re: some observations

                            3rd game? I'm not going to say it again. Your attitude is the one that allows single players to set franchises back decades.

                            Originally posted by chernobylwraiths View Post
                            I know, it's the internet age of "if you aren't great by the 3rd game, then you're out. You're the type of "he has to be great now" idiot I'm talking about. I've seen far worse in QBs for the Bills and seen enough good things from EJ to be more patient. A QB, even all of those in that group, need to be given a chance to get better and all of them did and proved they weren't good enough. But they still needed time, and got it. Now is EJ's time. And we don't have any other options right now.

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                            • Dr. Lecter
                              Zero for Zero!
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 67946
                              #15
                              Re: some observations

                              Originally posted by Typ0 View Post
                              3rd game? I'm not going to say it again. Your attitude is the one that allows single players to set franchises back decades.
                              So you give up on players after 10 games?
                              Originally posted by mysticsoto
                              Lecter is right in everything he said.
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