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  • CommissarSpartacus
    Registered User
    • Mar 2003
    • 54184

    More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

    JP was the Bills' starter, anointed by Ralph and Donahoe, a 1st round pick.

    Orton was the Bears second stringer, a 4th round pick.

    I remember posting after the game about how Orton, a nobody, had managed to out play the white Michael Vick, dear old JP, the last guy with "upside", who could "make plays with his feet". Except he never did.

    Sound familiar?


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    Hutchinson struggles; Bears edge Bills
    NFL.com wire reports
    Aug. 26, 2005

    CHICAGO (Aug. 26, 2005) -- Kyle Orton provided the spark struggling Chad Hutchinson could not. Now the Chicago Bears could be looking at yet another quarterback change.

    Playing with the first-team offense in the third quarter, Orton drove the Bears 81 yards for a touchdown against Buffalo's second-team team defense in Chicago's 16-12 victory against the Bills.

    "We're pleased with how Kyle Orton stepped in and gave the offense a boost," Bears coach Lovie Smith said, adding that he would watch tape before making any final evaluations.

    ...and...

    Orton was cheered loudly when he came out to start the third quarter. He completed seven passes in the 81-yard scoring drive capped by a 2-yard TD toss to Desmond Clark that cut Buffalo's lead to 12-10.

    He was 7-for-11 for 74 yards, but wasn't ready to pronounce himself the starter.

    "You'll have to ask Coach Smith," said Orton, a fourth-round pick out of Purdue. "I think I played pretty well. I had one good drive out of two."

    Bills quarterback J.P. Losman wasn't satisfied, either. He played the first half and the first series of the third quarter, completing 9 of 18 passes for 82 yards before he was replaced by former Bear Shane Matthews.

    "It wasn't a good performance. I felt like everything was there," Losman said. "They called the right plays, the blocking was there. ... I was hesitating a little to pull the trigger."

    ...more..
    My tebya razdavim
  • Fletch
    Registered User
    • May 2007
    • 3166

    #2
    Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

    And your point is ...?
    http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3

    Post #46

    Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
    (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
    Originally Posted by pmoon6
    The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

    You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

    Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

    The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
    ------

    "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

    "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

    "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

    Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

    "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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    • feldspar
      Registered User
      • Mar 2007
      • 13620

      #3
      Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

      Still completely fixated on JP Losman there, Shiva? Never really post too much about anything else, even now when it's ancient history.

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      • bdutton
        Registered User
        • Jul 2013
        • 1825

        #4
        Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

        20MM or 30MM cannon?

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        • GvilleBills
          Registered User
          • Mar 2006
          • 862

          #5
          Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

          That's a preseason game right? From 2005?

          what happened to you Shiva?
          Diehard BillGator... best of both worlds

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          • bf1
            Registered User
            • Oct 2010
            • 2882

            #6
            Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

            The pivotal point in the Bills downturn is when they didn't see the genius and qb acumen in Nick Rolovich and passing on Tom Clements as head coach.


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            • Spartacus
              Registered User
              • Mar 2003
              • 54184

              #7
              Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

              Originally posted by Fletch View Post
              And your point is ...?
              The irony.

              9 years later, Orton is the Bills starting qb while JP is selling oranges at intersections.

              Oh, the irony!
              My tebya razdavim

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              • feldspar
                Registered User
                • Mar 2007
                • 13620

                #8
                Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

                Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                The irony.

                9 years later, Orton is the Bills starting qb while JP is selling oranges at intersections.

                Oh, the irony!
                I think that you are secretly in love with Losman. Does he still keep you up at nights?

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                • Spartacus
                  Registered User
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 54184

                  #9
                  Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

                  Originally posted by bf1 View Post
                  The pivotal point in the Bills downturn is when they didn't see the genius and qb acumen in Nick Rolovich and passing on Tom Clements as head coach.
                  Among other things.

                  It really started with keeping RJ and trading Flutie to SD.

                  THEN they whiffed on Nick Rolovich.

                  And Tom Clements has a Superbowl ring...
                  My tebya razdavim

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                  • Spartacus
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 54184

                    #10
                    Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

                    Originally posted by feldspar View Post
                    I think that you are secretly in love with Losman. Does he still keep you up at nights?
                    Losman was the worst decision in Bills history.

                    Those that supported him and the actions of management that put him in a position he was totally unfit for should hang yheir heads in shame and forever defer to those that were wise and talented enough to recognize Losman for the bum he truly was
                    My tebya razdavim

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                    • YardRat
                      Well, lookie here...
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 86351

                      #11
                      Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

                      Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                      Losman was the worst decision in Bills history.

                      Those that supported him and the actions of management that put him in a position he was totally unfit for should hang yheir heads in shame and forever defer to those that were wise and talented enough to recognize Losman for the bum he truly was
                      **** like that happens when the owner ponies up big bucks for a 'name' GM that thinks he's smarter than everybody else in the football world. And yet, dumbasses have still clamored to make the same mistake, and want Pegs to follow suit.

                      I'll take somebody that feels like they still have something to prove, thank you very much. That goes for HC as well as GM, BTW.
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                      • Albany,n.y.
                        Registered User
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 5599

                        #12
                        Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

                        Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                        Losman was the worst decision in Bills history.
                        Not even close.
                        Trading away Lamonica, & McDole.
                        Hiring coaches like Johnson, Ringo, & Bullough. ( a combined 9-60-1)
                        Drafting 1st rd busts with top 5 picks like Cowlings (5), Patulski (1st overall), Miller (5), & Williams (4)
                        Having the only 1st overall pick of the NFL draft ever to sign with the CFL.
                        Bringing Octogenarian Marv Levy in as GMs.
                        Firing Bill Polian.

                        You need to brush up on your Bills history if you think JP Losman was the worst decision. He isn't even in the top 10.
                        Last edited by Albany,n.y.; 10-02-2014, 10:45 PM.

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                        • Swiper
                          Legendary Zoner
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 33105

                          #13
                          Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

                          Originally posted by Albany,n.y. View Post
                          Not even close.
                          Trading away Lamonica, & McDole.
                          Hiring coaches like Johnson, Ringo, & Bullough. ( a combined 9-60-1)
                          Drafting 1st rd busts with top 5 picks like Cowlings (5), Patulski (1st overall), Miller (5), & Williams (4)
                          Having the only 1st overall pick of the NFL draft ever to sign with the CFL.
                          Bringing Octogenarian Marv Levy in as GMs.
                          Firing Bill Polian.

                          You need to brush up on your Bills history if you think JP Losman was the worst decision. He isn't even in the top 10.
                          Just proves that he is obsessed with JP Losman still.

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                          • Night Train
                            Retired - On Several Levels
                            • Jul 2005
                            • 33117

                            #14
                            Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

                            Originally posted by Albany,n.y. View Post
                            Not even close.
                            Trading away Lamonica, & McDole.
                            Hiring coaches like Johnson, Ringo, & Bullough. ( a combined 9-60-1)
                            Drafting 1st rd busts with top 5 picks like Cowlings (5), Patulski (1st overall), Miller (5), & Williams (4)
                            Having the only 1st overall pick of the NFL draft ever to sign with the CFL.
                            Bringing Octogenarian Marv Levy in as GMs.
                            Firing Bill Polian.

                            You need to brush up on your Bills history if you think JP Losman was the worst decision. He isn't even in the top 10.
                            Trading away DT Tom Keating
                            Not paying WR Ahmad Rashad and giving him to the Vikings
                            Letting Chuck Knox walk
                            Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit

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                            • Spartacus
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 54184

                              #15
                              Re: More 2005 redux - Losman and Orton

                              The JP Losman fiasco has cursed this franchise for nine years now, and it's effects are still being felt.

                              Biggest...Bills...catastrophe...ever...

                              None of those mentioned even come close.
                              My tebya razdavim

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