Upgrade over Otron? I would be surprised to see him back with the Browns next season and his numbers are very good. I must say, I have not seen him play at all though. Anyone watch his game?
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Originally posted by casdhf View PostUpgrade over Otron? I would be surprised to see him back with the Browns next season and his numbers are very good. I must say, I have not seen him play at all though. Anyone watch his game?
I said to my friends, I would like to see the Bills sign Hoyer in the off season.
With Johnny Football in waiting, do the Browns want to give Hoyer a starters contract?
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Originally posted by don137 View PostI would be shocked if Cleveland lets him go. If he continues doing well they would be foolish to replace Hoyer with an unknown just because he is a first round pick. That is a decision that can get GMs fired if backfires.
I think it will take a Starting QB's contract to keep him in Cleveland.
Do the Bowns want to pay that much to keep him with Manziel waiting on the bench?
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Originally posted by casdhf View PostUpgrade over Otron? I would be surprised to see him back with the Browns next season and his numbers are very good. I must say, I have not seen him play at all though. Anyone watch his game?Last edited by The Jokeman; 10-14-2014, 08:19 AM.
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Originally posted by The Jokeman View PostI'd rather the Bills sign the Browns' TE Jordan Cameron. I know Chandler was great Sunday but he almost always excels against New England. If the Bills are going to pursue a veteran QB in UFA one name I'd look at is Austin Davis who's currently starting in St. Louis. He might not be an upgrade but he's still young and at the very least he could be a long term backup as I don't see Orton playing in Buffalo after his current contract runs out.
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Originally posted by don137 View PostI would be shocked if Cleveland lets him go. If he continues doing well they would be foolish to replace Hoyer with an unknown just because he is a first round pick. That is a decision that can get GMs fired if backfires.
What's doing it offensively for the Browns is their RBs. West, Tate, and Crowell are all averaging over 4.4 ypc and collectively they have 715 yards on 4.7 ypc.
Everyone here clammored about how ****ty their WRs were, but their top five WRs comprised of 4 WRs and 1 TE have 71 catches for 1,039 yards and 6 TDs. Our top five non-RB receivers also comprised of 4 WRs and 1 TD have 81 catches for 1,028 yards and 5 TDs, despite Cleveland throwing for over 200 fewer yards on the season. Good or bad, the difference between them and us is that Jackson is our second leading receiver and they don't have a RB in the top-7.
I have watched Hoyer a few times this season just wondering how he's playing, and I would describe his play as efficient. He gets done what needs to be done at the times that it needs to be done generally speaking and the Browns have great offensive balance as a result.
They have three easy games followed by Cincy and then two more easy games ahead with three of the five easy games being at home. Their only two losses at this point have been to divisional rivals and they've split with Pittsburgh. They could very easily be 7-4 by the time that they play us.http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
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Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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I remember a time that Buffalo made a knee-jerk decision to sign a guy to a big contract after 6 games or so. I'll give you two hints: it was fairly recent, and the guy had a tremendous beard.
Of course, the right thing to do is to let it play out before you hand a QB starters money on any level. Anything could happen, including Hoyer getting hurt again.
Gotta remember that Cleveland is Hoyer's hometown. It's his dream job to play there. It's a great story (so far) ask me. I really doubt that Hoyer would turn down starters money to play there, Johnny Football or no.
Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer stressed that he wants to remain a Cleveland Brown, but when asked about a report that he won't sign a long-term deal with the Browns if Johnny Manziel is here, he said, "I want to be somewhere where I'm playing.''
I just can't see getting too carried away with a guy like Hoyer at this point. Will he be an upgrade over Orton? How will he do in a different system? I don't like the sample size right now.
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Originally posted by feldspar View PostI remember a time that Buffalo made a knee-jerk decision to sign a guy to a big contract after 6 games or so. I'll give you two hints: it was fairly recent, and the guy had a tremendous beard.
Of course, the right thing to do is to let it play out before you hand a QB starters money on any level. Anything could happen, including Hoyer getting hurt again.
Gotta remember that Cleveland is Hoyer's hometown. It's his dream job to play there. It's a great story (so far) ask me. I really doubt that Hoyer would turn down starters money to play there, Johnny Football or no.
Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer stressed that he wants to remain a Cleveland Brown, but when asked about a report that he won't sign a long-term deal with the Browns if Johnny Manziel is here, he said, "I want to be somewhere where I'm playing.''
I just can't see getting too carried away with a guy like Hoyer at this point. Will he be an upgrade over Orton? How will he do in a different system? I don't like the sample size right now.
I agree, if the Browns offer him a Starters contract, Hoyer takes it.
$10-$12 Mill per year with GUARANTEED money. The Browns will have to offer him a contract that guarantees he starts.
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Originally posted by feldspar View PostI remember a time that Buffalo made a knee-jerk decision to sign a guy to a big contract after 6 games or so. I'll give you two hints: it was fairly recent, and the guy had a tremendous beard.
Of course, the right thing to do is to let it play out before you hand a QB starters money on any level. Anything could happen, including Hoyer getting hurt again.
Gotta remember that Cleveland is Hoyer's hometown. It's his dream job to play there. It's a great story (so far) ask me. I really doubt that Hoyer would turn down starters money to play there, Johnny Football or no.
Browns quarterback Brian Hoyer stressed that he wants to remain a Cleveland Brown, but when asked about a report that he won't sign a long-term deal with the Browns if Johnny Manziel is here, he said, "I want to be somewhere where I'm playing.''
I just can't see getting too carried away with a guy like Hoyer at this point. Will he be an upgrade over Orton? How will he do in a different system? I don't like the sample size right now.
Best case scenario for them is if Hoyer gets hurt or something and Johnny football has to play so that they can evaluate.
I can understand Hoyer's concern that if he re-signs and becomes a backup to Manziel, but I don't know why he can't put a clause that he's allowed to be a free agent if he doesn't start so many games in his contract. Seems reasonable to me.http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
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Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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Originally posted by feldspar View PostI remember a time that Buffalo made a knee-jerk decision to sign a guy to a big contract after 6 games or so. I'll give you two hints: it was fairly recent, and the guy had a tremendous beard.
Hoyer has played very well since starting in Cleveland. I'd swap him for Orton. I'm sure that the coaches would ruin his career here though.http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/sho...s-haters/page3
Post #46
Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm(Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.Originally Posted by pmoon6
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.
You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.
Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.
The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
"I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."
"We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."
"We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.
Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)
"And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley
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Originally posted by Fletch View PostAnd Rob Johnson too.
Hoyer has played very well since starting in Cleveland. I'd swap him for Orton. I'm sure that the coaches would ruin his career here though.
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Originally posted by Albany,n.y. View PostCoaches don't ruin players unless they do something that gets the guy injured. That's the biggest fallacy in the NFL. I'll go as far as saying no coach has ever ruined a QB, but plenty of QBs have been coach killers. The reason fans say a guy got ruined is because they just can't accept that the guy who they thought was going to be great is a giant bust. Fans can't believe that their team's scouts are clueless, so they blame the coaches when the team drafts a guy who should have never been drafted in the 1st place. It's a lot easier to blame the high profile coach instead of some scout whose name we don't even know. No player with an ounce of intestinal fortitude has ever been ruined by a benching or being yanked in & out of games. You can't ruin a JP Losman, like many around here said back in the day, he was never any good, unless you count the UFL. Nobody should ever accuse Rex Ryan or Doug Marrone of ruining Geno or EJ-they were each drafted about 7 rounds too soon. I won't be surprised that on the day Kouandjio gets cut, someone posts how the Bills ruined him, although most of the ruined nonsense is usually reserved for QBs.
Joe Montana would never have become a HOF QB if he were drafted by a team like the Texans were when they drafted Carr.
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