This Offensive Roster Just Isn't Good

[Albany,n.y.]

By Position:

QB-We have a journeyman starter, basically on a par with Fitzpatrick & a 2nd year player who looks more like a bust than a hit. A journeyman gets you to around .500 give or take a game or 2, but that's it. NEEDS UPGRADE
RB-Jackson is old & is getting injured every year, but is the best we've got. Spiller may never play another down with the Bills, Dixon & Summers are adequate situational players but can't be relied on for much & Brown is the guy who was inactive until Spiller got hurt & Philly dumped for a 4th rounder-also, he had a key fumble yesterday showing why he's so lightly regarded. Did have some good runs but is just a tease. NEEDS UPGRADE
OL-Outside of Wood & Glenn, just a bunch of guys who either aren't ready to start in the NFL and/or never will be and some veterans who would have a hard time making a good NFL team. NEEDS MAJOR UPGRADE
TE-Chandler would be a good #2 TE, not a #1. Smith & Gragg wouldn't make a lot of teams. NEEDS UPGRADE
WR-The only strong position on the offense, but that's because the Bills have heavily invested in upgrading it the past 2 years. Watkins looks like a star at times, but cost the Bills an extra 1st rounder & a 4th, Woods was a 2nd last year & Goodwin a 3rd. Hogan looks like a good find for a 3rd receiver and Easley is the best special teams player on the roster. Mike Williams is a waste of cap $ & won't be around next year. THE ONLY SOLID POSITION ON THE OFFENSE.

As far as the rest of the roster goes, The D line is top notch & the linebacking (especially with Kiko back next year) isn't far behind, but the secondary is nothing but average at best. Special teams: Schmidt was a real find & should be here for years, but Carpenter is a luxury that a team with this many weaknesses really can't afford because they have to have a kickoff specialist on the active roster because Carpenter isn't good enough on kickoffs. Hopkins didn't work out, but the Bills should look for 1 guy next year to kick & kickoff.

Overall this roster needs a lot of work, especially on offense, where outside of receiver, they need major upgrades. Blame Nix and/or Whaley, but anyone who can't see the major holes on offense and the weakness in the secondary needs a reality check.

[Fletch]

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OK, so what now?

Trust the same person that's been in charge of player personnel since 2010 when he was hired in that capacity to have yet another crack at it when the results haven't come in those five seasons?

I guess it would be poetic justic forcing him to draft this year minus the 1st and 4th he gave up.

I say start a movement to put the pressure on Pegula to sweep this place clean from top to bottom on the personnel stuff.

In Miami (college) they raise money to fly banners over the stadium on game days saying "fire [whomever the coach is]"

How about a "fire Whaley" banner.

[Albany,n.y.]

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OK, so what now?

Trust the same person that's been in charge of player personnel since 2010 when he was hired in that capacity to have yet another crack at it when the results haven't come in those five seasons?

I guess it would be poetic justic forcing him to draft this year minus the 1st and 4th he gave up.

I say start a movement to put the pressure on Pegula to sweep this place clean from top to bottom on the personnel stuff.

In Miami (college) they raise money to fly banners over the stadium on game days saying "fire [whomever the coach is]"

How about a "fire Whaley" banner.

If the Pegulas go through with the rumors of a couple of weeks ago & bring in an outside consultant to evaluate the situation, the guy will tell them that the team needs serious upgrading of the scouting department & if the O continues on its current path the remainder of the season, there will be no need for any fans to waste money on what will be pretty obvious to the consultant and the Pegulas.
Nix/Whaley failed when they drafted EJ, that's almost enough in itself to clean house.

[Uncle Jesse]

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The offensive line is a major problem. That needs to be addressed in the draft and in free agency. That is hurting our run game, and not giving Orton enough time for the most part. If a guy like him can get a little bit more time to go through his reads, things really start clicking. That will open the run game more, and upgrading the line should help move the defensive lines a bit more.

Then get some help in the secondary and find a better tight end option.

I don't think they are that far away, a solid off-season coming up and next year could be the year. I think they are in a tough spot at this point, having 4 losses with NE, Denver and GB still to go. 10-6 is what you need to get in most likely.

[CommissarSpartacus]

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We have tons of talent on this team, it just needs to be motivated properly and used effectively.

[Guest]

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There is a clear imbalance of talent on this team slanted towards the D side and it will get worse with Darius and Hughes up for big pay raises next year.

The OL is a major problem that will take a couple years to fix.

[CommissarSpartacus]

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There is a clear imbalance of talent on this team slanted towards the D side and it will get worse with Darius and Hughes up for big pay raises next year.

The OL is a major problem that will take a couple years to fix.

Correlation/causation.

just because the D is playing better than the O doesn't mean it's because of an imbalance in talent, it could be an imbalance in how that talent is being used.

After the first drive yesterday, I said "Yeah, that's more like it, some new and well designed plays!"

But I guess two weeks is just enough time to work on the first drive. The rest of the game will take a few more years.

[Albany,n.y.]

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Correlation/causation.

just because the D is playing better than the O doesn't mean it's because of an imbalance in talent, it could be an imbalance in how that talent is being used.

After the first drive yesterday, I said "Yeah, that's more like it, some new and well designed plays!"

But I guess two weeks is just enough time to work on the first drive. The rest of the game will take a few more years.

Outside of Watkins, Wood, Glenn, and possibly Woods & Jackson, name any other player on offense who would start for a top 10 team. This team has a huge talent deficit on the offensive side of the ball that many either are too delusional to see or don't want to admit.

[trapezeus]

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The offensive line is a major problem. That needs to be addressed in the draft and in free agency. That is hurting our run game, and not giving Orton enough time for the most part. If a guy like him can get a little bit more time to go through his reads, things really start clicking. That will open the run game more, and upgrading the line should help move the defensive lines a bit more.

Then get some help in the secondary and find a better tight end option.

I don't think they are that far away, a solid off-season coming up and next year could be the year. I think they are in a tough spot at this point, having 4 losses with NE, Denver and GB still to go. 10-6 is what you need to get in most likely.

isn't it hard to believe that all OL stink? i just think this is an OL coach and OC issue. No way eric wood goes from a good center to being a turnstile half the time now. so many guys stand up and don't know who to block. The fact no one can enter and make a meaningful difference is a sign that it's coaches. We can keep turning our wheels about what other talent can come in, but none of them can do it.

In some ways, if this loss helps the bills move away from certain old school stuff in the FO, then it may have been worth it.

[CommissarSpartacus]

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Outside of Watkins, Wood, Glenn, and possibly Woods & Jackson, name any other player on offense who would start for a top 10 team. This team has a huge talent deficit on the offensive side of the ball that many either are too delusional to see or don't want to admit.

Sorry, but I'm a firm believer that the differential in talent in the NFL isn't as large as people think.

Aside from qbs, everyone in the NFL is an athletic freak that was a star player at some point in their life on their high school and college teams.

How that talent is used makes the difference. It's real football, not fantasy football.

[CommissarSpartacus]

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One of the problems hiring ex-players as coaches is the brain damage factor.

Marrone was a lineman and jauron was a d-back. I wonder how many times they had their bells rung?

[djjimkelly]

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By Position:

QB-We have a journeyman starter, basically on a par with Fitzpatrick & a 2nd year player who looks more like a bust than a hit. A journeyman gets you to around .500 give or take a game or 2, but that's it. NEEDS UPGRADE
RB-Jackson is old & is getting injured every year, but is the best we've got. Spiller may never play another down with the Bills, Dixon & Summers are adequate situational players but can't be relied on for much & Brown is the guy who was inactive until Spiller got hurt & Philly dumped for a 4th rounder-also, he had a key fumble yesterday showing why he's so lightly regarded. Did have some good runs but is just a tease. NEEDS UPGRADE
OL-Outside of Wood & Glenn, just a bunch of guys who either aren't ready to start in the NFL and/or never will be and some veterans who would have a hard time making a good NFL team. NEEDS MAJOR UPGRADE
TE-Chandler would be a good #2 TE, not a #1. Smith & Gragg wouldn't make a lot of teams. NEEDS UPGRADE
WR-The only strong position on the offense, but that's because the Bills have heavily invested in upgrading it the past 2 years. Watkins looks like a star at times, but cost the Bills an extra 1st rounder & a 4th, Woods was a 2nd last year & Goodwin a 3rd. Hogan looks like a good find for a 3rd receiver and Easley is the best special teams player on the roster. Mike Williams is a waste of cap $ & won't be around next year. THE ONLY SOLID POSITION ON THE OFFENSE.

As far as the rest of the roster goes, The D line is top notch & the linebacking (especially with Kiko back next year) isn't far behind, but the secondary is nothing but average at best. Special teams: Schmidt was a real find & should be here for years, but Carpenter is a luxury that a team with this many weaknesses really can't afford because they have to have a kickoff specialist on the active roster because Carpenter isn't good enough on kickoffs. Hopkins didn't work out, but the Bills should look for 1 guy next year to kick & kickoff.

Overall this roster needs a lot of work, especially on offense, where outside of receiver, they need major upgrades. Blame Nix and/or Whaley, but anyone who can't see the major holes on offense and the weakness in the secondary needs a reality check.

nicely said this is the polite version of what i think about the offense. ill give whaley credit for creating this fantastic D and think hes doing a fine job as the GM,

but. he has missed at QB so far, till that issue is solved almost all of the other issues in your list of offensive issues are a non point.

as far as RB resign freddie for 2 years let him retire a bill and start from scratch with the rest of the rbs i enjoyed big plays from spiller but we dont use him in a way to worth keeping him IMO

[Albany,n.y.]

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Sorry, but I'm a firm believer that the differential in talent in the NFL isn't as large as people think.

Aside from qbs, everyone in the NFL is an athletic freak that was a star player at some point in their life on their high school and college teams.

How that talent is used makes the difference. It's real football, not fantasy football.

So in your opinion, you can just throw any bum out there & coach him up if he's been a star at a lower level. So both Pears & Urbik can be as good at guard as Ruben Brown if they just had the right coaching. Let's bring back McNally & he'll coach them all into a line of 5 Anthony Munozs. Hey, while we're at it, let's turn Chris Hogan into Andre Reed. Once we get the right coaches, there won't be any room left on the Wall of Fame because the whole roster will be worthy.

[better days]

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The Bills have a very good WR they refuse to suit up, let alone play.

There is NO EXCUSE Marrone can give me that he has Mike Williams inactive.

If the Bills fail to win 9 games, I want Marrone FIRED.

I am sick & tired of Coaches that make STUPID decisions.

[trapezeus]

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So in your opinion, you can just throw any bum out there & coach him up if he's been a star at a lower level. So both Pears & Urbik can be as good at guard as Ruben Brown if they just had the right coaching. Let's bring back McNally & he'll coach them all into a line of 5 Anthony Munozs. Hey, while we're at it, let's turn Chris Hogan into Andre Reed. Once we get the right coaches, there won't be any room left on the Wall of Fame because the whole roster will be worthy.

that's the extreme way of looking at it. but if the line was somewhat capable previously and now everyone struggles and no matter who you put in struggles. it's almost as impossible to select an entire unit and their back ups as duds. that's almost as impressive as having a unit as all stars.

plus the bills weaknesses aren't a result of guys getting bowled over. a lot of the times it looks liek they are reaching because they moved the wrong way leaving a gaping hole that they are trying to get.