Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

[Fletch]

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- It hasn't taken long for Sammy Watkins to become a vital cog in the Buffalo Bills' offense.

Consider this: When Watkins has more than 30 receiving yards, the Bills are 5-0. When he has 30 or fewer, the Bills are 0-4.

Watkins was targeted 10 times in Sunday's 17-13 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs, catching just four passes for 27 yards.

So what happened? Here's a breakdown of each of Watkins' 10 targets:

http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/15136/dissecting-sammy-watkins-quiet-afternoon

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Here's "one of those articles."

What isn't mentioned is that maybe Watkins' lesser games are because the competition in the opposing secondary is tougher than in the other games on average.

Also, we're 4-1 when we're positive in the turnover battle and 1-3 when we're negative or even, which has equally much to do with our wins.

Of the 5 wins mentioned above, only one of those teams, Detroit, is likely headed to the playoffs. The rest will be lucky to finish .500. Of the 4 mentioned losses, three of those teams are likely headed to the playoffs.

Too many people trying to make Watkins out to be more than he is.

We'll see how Watkins does the rest of the season, but if he continues to not do much against playoff teams and better secondaries then I don't see how people can continue to talk about him as if he was hands-down the best WR in this draft class.

He's good, but I think that the decision to trade away next year's 1st is going to be painful come draft time next year.

This isn't a knock on Watkins at all, rather a knock on Whaley.

[Buffalogic]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

He's hurt.

[Fletch]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

So are lots of other players. Megatron is hurt and has been hurt and he had 7 catches for 113 yards and a TD against Miami on Sunday.

That's "special."

Being hurt is an excuse. Watkins needs to start playing bigger and better against some of the better DBs more regularly and against the playoff caliber teams too if he wants, or rather if his fans want him to accede to that level of recognition.

[kingJofNYC]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

Megatron hadn't played in weeks.

How'd your boy Benjamin do last night?

[Edward Robinson]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

So are lots of other players. Megatron is hurt and has been hurt and he had 7 catches for 113 yards and a TD against Miami on Sunday.

That's "special."

Being hurt is an excuse. Watkins needs to start playing bigger and better against some of the better DBs more regularly and against the playoff caliber teams too if he wants, or rather if his fans want him to accede to that level of recognition.

So says the person who has never taken a college or NFL football snap in his life.

[kingJofNYC]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

Sammie Watkins won us the Lions game with broken ribs, just an average joe who can't play through pain....

[feldspar]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

He's hurt.

Yeah, he's hurt and he didn't really practice this week, which is bigger for a rookie.

Freddie was hurt too. Guess we should pile on him as well.

[kingJofNYC]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

Yeah, he's hurt and he didn't really practice this week, which is bigger for a rookie.

Freddie was hurt too. Guess we should pile on him as well.

Fred's a gutless loser who can't fight through pain!

/Fletch

[Fletch]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

Megatron hadn't played in weeks.

How'd your boy Benjamin do last night?

Exactly.

Don't know, go look and let me know. On the season though he's got more receiving yards, a greater yards per catch, and more TDs. I think that if OROY voting were to be held now he'd win it over Watkins.

Sammie Watkins won us the Lions game with broken ribs, just an average joe who can't play through pain....

Right, one of two games that we won due to Sammy. That and Minnesota.

Here's a question for you, why did we need a huge night from Sammy to beat Minnesota? At home?

Still, you're right, but those are the only two games. The Jets win was a rout from top to bottom as was the Fins game. Lots of players contributed as did the D in both games.

He did little in our Chicago win.

So two games like that is enough to annoint him as being special and the best WR in the draft?

[kingJofNYC]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

Benjamin can't hold Watkins jock, he embarrassed himself last night. He has 50 more yards and a couple of more touchdowns, but yet he's the GOAT in your mind. Injury free too.

Whatever, if Watkins nukes Miami, we won't see you for another two weeks or longer. Watkins wrecks the Dolphins, that somehow doesn't count...lol Hilarious.

[Dr. Who]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

You're trying to hard with your obsession with Sammy's value.
Why don't you just wait and see how things play out over the next year or so?
I think you're already pretty clearly wrong, but whatever the truth is, it won't be established by dissecting every game.

[kingJofNYC]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

Here's the bottom line. We don't know what Watkins will develop into, but he's clearly our best offensive weapon.

Now Fletch is upset that Whaley spent 2015 first round pick on Watkins, fine, at some point he'll just get over it. I mean they spent 1st round picks on countless busts the last decade, some folks act like first rounders are sure fire hits. When it's the Bills doing the drafting you never know what you're going to get in the first round, or any team for that matter, but the Bills have a bad history in the 1st round. More ammo the better, I understand that, but with the Bills rep, I'd rather take a surer thing. Bills draft history is a different topic entirely.

I'm more angry that we spent a first on EJ, but I'm over at this point. At least with Watkins I know he's a quality player. Draft was deep at WR, but the first 3 were clearly above the rest in my mind.

[trapezeus]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

Exactly.

Don't know, go look and let me know. On the season though he's got more receiving yards, a greater yards per catch, and more TDs. I think that if OROY voting were to be held now he'd win it over Watkins.



Right, one of two games that we won due to Sammy. That and Minnesota.

Here's a question for you, why did we need a huge night from Sammy to beat Minnesota? At home?

Still, you're right, but those are the only two games. The Jets win was a rout from top to bottom as was the Fins game. Lots of players contributed as did the D in both games.

He did little in our Chicago win.

So two games like that is enough to annoint him as being special and the best WR in the draft?

You are a complete tool. Half of the rookie of the year award is based on popularity and the talking heads. they are in love with watkins. no one says boo about benjamin. If it ended today, watkins would finish ahead of benjamin.

the rest of this tread remains garbage. your obsession to be right every 3 weeks is growing old.

and we did what you do before the game. said that KC has a great pass d by the stat line so we can dismiss watkins performance. We literally said this BEFORE the game. And then add a late week groin injury.

When are you going to stop posting here?

[trapezeus]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. -- It hasn't taken long for Sammy Watkins to become a vital cog in the Buffalo Bills' offense.

Consider this: When Watkins has more than 30 receiving yards, the Bills are 5-0. When he has 30 or fewer, the Bills are 0-4.

Watkins was targeted 10 times in Sunday's 17-13 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs, catching just four passes for 27 yards.

So what happened? Here's a breakdown of each of Watkins' 10 targets:

http://espn.go.com/blog/buffalo-bills/post/_/id/15136/dissecting-sammy-watkins-quiet-afternoon

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Here's "one of those articles."

What isn't mentioned is that maybe Watkins' lesser games are because the competition in the opposing secondary is tougher than in the other games on average.

Also, we're 4-1 when we're positive in the turnover battle and 1-3 when we're negative or even, which has equally much to do with our wins.

Of the 5 wins mentioned above, only one of those teams, Detroit, is likely headed to the playoffs. The rest will be lucky to finish .500. Of the 4 mentioned losses, three of those teams are likely headed to the playoffs.

Too many people trying to make Watkins out to be more than he is.

We'll see how Watkins does the rest of the season, but if he continues to not do much against playoff teams and better secondaries then I don't see how people can continue to talk about him as if he was hands-down the best WR in this draft class.

He's good, but I think that the decision to trade away next year's 1st is going to be painful come draft time next year.

This isn't a knock on Watkins at all, rather a knock on Whaley.

do you read what you link to? and did you watch the game. he caught what was catchable. he had no drops. he broke up 2 possible interceptions.

On the actual stuff you know about, are you any good? Because you suck on this topic of WR stats and who you would rather have reached for with the 9 pick.

[Fletch]

Re: Dissecting Sammy Watkins' quiet afternoon

Whatever, if Watkins nukes Miami, we won't see you for another two weeks or longer. Watkins wrecks the Dolphins, that somehow doesn't count...lol Hilarious.

Does everything have to turn into something personal here?

I'll come and post as threads offer good content. Several have diminished into nothing but little (or big) tiffs between varying posters.

Was there something in my posts that offended you personally? If so, please point it out and I'll do my best to refrain from such language in the future.

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Here's the bottom line. We don't know what Watkins will develop into, but he's clearly our best offensive weapon.

Now Fletch is upset that Whaley spent 2015 first round pick on Watkins, fine, at some point he'll just get over it. I mean they spent 1st round picks on countless busts the last decade, some folks act like first rounders are sure fire hits. When it's the Bills doing the drafting you never know what you're going to get in the first round, or any team for that matter, but the Bills have a bad history in the 1st round. More ammo the better, I understand that, but with the Bills rep, I'd rather take a surer thing. Bills draft history is a different topic entirely.

I'm more angry that we spent a first on EJ, but I'm over at this point. At least with Watkins I know he's a quality player. Draft was deep at WR, but the first 3 were clearly above the rest in my mind.

I'll get over it when Whaley disappears. That's when I'll get over it. That's the root of our problems in this team.