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  • Forward_Lateral
    Registered User
    • Mar 2004
    • 29895
    #1

    Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

    You can't argue that. The Defense is scary. Yes, the offense still has many issues to get worked out, but when they give Orton time, the offense is very efficient. I though the O-line did pretty good last night. Orton got hit a few times, and had to throw it away, but not like the last 2 weeks.

    The Jets looked completely unprepared. I don't know if the Bills did anything different than the last time they beat the snot out of them, but it must be awful to be a Jets fan right now. You think the Bills have QB issues? Yikes.

    I think after all the city of Buffalo and surrounding areas, and the Bills, went through last week, a win like that was beyond impressive. Think about it. The Jets had 14 days to prepare. The Bills had 3, if that.

    They didn't eek out a win. They stomped a snow hole and walked it dry.

    Win of the season so far, IMO.
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  • Fletch
    Registered User
    • May 2007
    • 3166
    #2
    Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

    OK, I'll be the wet blanket today.

    Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
    You can't argue that. The Defense is scary. Yes, the offense still has many issues to get worked out, but when they give Orton time, the offense is very efficient. I though the O-line did pretty good last night. Orton got hit a few times, and had to throw it away, but not like the last 2 weeks.

    The Jets looked completely unprepared.     I don't know if the Bills did anything different than the last time they beat the snot out of them, but it must be awful to be a Jets fan right now. You think the Bills have QB issues? Yikes.

    I think after all the city of Buffalo and surrounding areas, and the Bills, went through last week, a win like that was beyond impressive. Think about it. The Jets had 14 days to prepare. The Bills had 3, if that.

    They didn't eek out a win. They stomped a snow hole and walked it dry.

    Win of the season so far, IMO.
    You kind of contradict yourself above. Was the defense scary because the Jets were completely unprepared? I don't think that the Jets would have beaten any team yesterday, including Oakland or Jax playing the way that they were. I agree, and so did just about everyone else based on the GDT comments, the Jets sucked and were unprepared.

    The facts are that against the Jets we've averaged 40.5 ppg and against the rest of the schedule we've averaged 17.4 ppg. That's not a good indicator overall.

    The Jets in fact have the second worst point-differential in the entire league ahead of only Jax, hardly impressive. This may be the worst Jets team since '96 when Reich was their QB.

    You say that the D is scary, well it wasn't scary against the Pats, Chargers, Houston or Miami two weeks ago.

    I'm going to lay this out there, that the D is overrated and only ranked where it is because we've only played one above average offense all season, the Pats, and that was anything but even an average defensive performance with LaFell and Tyms doing their damage.

    Here are the present rankings of the offenses that we've faced so far this season:

    Yardage: 7th (L), 16th (W), 17th (split - Miami), 18th (L), 20th (L), 21st (W), 23rd (L), 29th (2 W's - Jets), 30th (W)

    Scoring: 1st (L), 10th (split - Miami), 13th (L), 15th (L), 16th (L), 20th (W), 27th (W), 28th (W), 30th (2 L's - Jets)

    In short, we haven't beat a single team ranked better than 20th in scoring offense or ranked better than 16th in yardage offense, after that one better than 21st in yardage offense.

    Couldn't it be that we've simply gotten a good draw of the schedule in terms of been handed the worse offensive teams in the league to play, which clearly impacts our stats?

    Besides Oakland who's ranked last in yardage offense and 31st in scoring offense, remaining we face the 3rd, 7th, 9th, and 10th ranked yardage offense and the 1st, 2nd, 5th, and 16th ranked scoring offenses.

    I think that that's going to tell us how good our D is.

    It would be a planning mistake to overrate the D based on having played nothing but below average offenses. That's not going to happen every season.

    We've played only three teams presently seeded to make the playoffs and lost all three games, twice not having played great D, with two of those teams, SD and KC, being west coast teams that had to play us here. KC is ranked 23rd in yardage and 13th in scoring, below average. In two of those games we had only 2 sacks each and no INTs.

    I think that our games against Denver, GB, and NE are going to be an eye opener for us. Either way, I'll make a prediction now, that by the end of the season our yardage D is within 10 ypg of what we were last season, and that our scoring D will drop out of the top-12 despite having played more below average offenses than above average ones.

    The DL is excellent, but we still have holes, that are going to be exposed upcoming, in the secondary and LB units.

    Either way, if we can't start doing better against teams ranked above average in offense, our D isn't scary except against below average offenses.
    Last edited by Fletch; 11-25-2014, 07:38 AM.
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    Post #46

    Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
    (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
    Originally Posted by pmoon6
    The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

    You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

    Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

    The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
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    "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

    "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

    "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

    Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

    "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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    • Forward_Lateral
      Registered User
      • Mar 2004
      • 29895
      #3
      Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

      I did not read a single word of that garbage.
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      • coastal
        Legendary Zoner
        • Mar 2005
        • 15513
        #4
        Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

        lolz

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        • Fletch
          Registered User
          • May 2007
          • 3166
          #5
          Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

          Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
          I did not read a single word of that garbage.
          OK, and I'm supposed to do what with that? I'm happy for you otherwise. Congratulations. LOL

          I was just throwing out some facts that IMO any true Bills fan should be concerned about.
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          Post #46

          Originally posted by Yasgur's Farm
          (Moderator) My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
          Originally Posted by pmoon6
          The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

          You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

          Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

          The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.
          ------

          "I was an integral part in the drafting process of EJ Manuel," Whaley said Thursday on NFL Network's Total Access. "I was the person that handled the draft process and setting up the board."

          "We are committed. I want you to believe me when I say that," Whaley said of building around the second-year quarterback, per The Buffalo News. "I always tell you guys that I'll never say never because I don't want to paint myself in a corner, but when I do say something, I do it and I mean it and I try to fulfill it."

          "We believe the addition of Sammy is going to be instant impact, not only to our quarterback, but to what our offensive coordinator can come up with game-plan wise and how defenses attack us," Whaley said.

          Whaley on EJ Manuel: "We think we got a gem in this guy." (2:30)

          "And as Mark says, if in three years maybe he's not [our quarterback of the future], then I'll be sitting there saying 'hey guys', .... anybody got a job for me?" - Doug Whaley

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          • trapezeus
            Legendary Zoner
            • Oct 2004
            • 19525
            #6
            Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

            is it possible when the bills actually have some offensive support that the d can rush the QB without issue. when the d is in a mode to stop the opposing team and potentially score points, they aren't as effective.

            i've never seen someone struggle so hard to stay with their start of season thesis, fletch.

            the bills d gets zero support most games. even in the wins, it comes from ST and short fields with an offense that happens to score a td. they never have a decent amount off.

            they are very good. get that through that thick head of yours.
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            • better days
              Registered User
              • Jan 2010
              • 22028
              #7
              Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

              Originally posted by Forward_Lateral View Post
              I did not read a single word of that garbage.
              Well, I read the first sentence.

              "OK, I'll be the wet blanket today."

              As if today is any different than any other day.
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              • Ginger Vitis
                Registered User
                • Feb 2009
                • 3451
                #8
                Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

                Originally posted by trapezeus View Post

                i've never seen someone struggle so hard to stay with their start of season thesis, fletch.

                Before the start of the season Felch guaranteed the defense would be much worse off this season compared to last years defense
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                • notacon
                  Registered User
                  • Aug 2012
                  • 32999
                  #9
                  Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

                  The Jets are probably the worst team in the NFL right now.

                  The Bills went from being really ****ty last year to just ****ty this.

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                  • SpikedLemonade
                    • Jun 2024
                    #10
                    Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

                    We are definitely better than last year.

                    Still not good enough.

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                    • Dr. Who
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 719
                      #11
                      Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

                      Originally posted by Fletch View Post
                      OK, I'll be the wet blanket today.
                      And every day.
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                      • Night Train
                        Retired - On Several Levels
                        • Jul 2005
                        • 33117
                        #12
                        Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

                        They lack an OC, which cost us dearly in 2-3 games. That's why we're not in the drivers seat for a WC spot. Talent is evident.

                        The D has played playoff caliber football. Schwartz has been a godsend but it may be all for not..
                        Anonymity is an abused privilege, abused most by people who mistake vitriol for wisdom and cynicism for wit

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                        • WagonCircler
                          Escaped Convict
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 5876
                          #13
                          Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

                          This Jests have two absolute morons, and I mean that in the clinical sense, for QBs. A six year old could manage an Offense smarter than Vick or his mini-me.

                          The problem is, we also have two inadequate QBs. We can get by with Orton, provided we get him a couple of competent Guards, but getting by is not enough. And with EJ, he just needs to go away.

                          So the team is better, but they're still a fancy looking muscle car with $5,000 rims and a GM 250 Straight Six engine.

                          The QB situation has been one of malpractice of the highest magnitude.

                          Better is not good enough.

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                          • Forward_Lateral
                            Registered User
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 29895
                            #14
                            Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

                            Originally posted by trapezeus View Post
                            is it possible when the bills actually have some offensive support that the d can rush the QB without issue. when the d is in a mode to stop the opposing team and potentially score points, they aren't as effective.

                            i've never seen someone struggle so hard to stay with their start of season thesis, fletch.

                            the bills d gets zero support most games. even in the wins, it comes from ST and short fields with an offense that happens to score a td. they never have a decent amount off.

                            they are very good. get that through that thick head of yours.
                            It's all about field position. I'd like to see the stats, but I'm pretty sure when the opponent's starting field position is at their own 35 or greater, the Bills' D becomes more vulnerable and tends to give up points.

                            When they are pinned inside the 25, they seem to be able to force a lot of 3 and outs.
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                            • Forward_Lateral
                              Registered User
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 29895
                              #15
                              Re: Playoffs be damned, this team is much improved over last year

                              Originally posted by Night Train View Post
                              They lack an OC, which cost us dearly in 2-3 games. That's why we're not in the drivers seat for a WC spot. Talent is evident.

                              The D has played playoff caliber football. Schwartz has been a godsend but it may be all for not..
                              It depends on how you measure success. Isn't a 9-7 season somewhat of a success? I know it won't make the playoffs, but wouldn't you see that as a great stepping stone? Or are you in playoffs or nothing mode? I understand if you are, it's only been a bazillion years since they made it.

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