Mini-vent time about Bills haters.

[blackonyx89]

I've been a Bills for 30 years through all the good and bad times and I have people who don't like the Bills always coming up and trashing the team and they expect me to always explain why they're not good or they'll never win a Super Bowl. I tell them the truth and not make excuses and they still come to me with the same tired smack talk. Sadly, some people are dense like that, LOL! :-) And some of them are people I barely know and they still come and that's the only thing they can say. I can be quite annoying at times and I know they just to do it for fun. Whatever!

[Fletch]

Looks like more of an attack on some posters if you ask me.

I don't see anything at all Bills related in there.

So I'll take the time to vent similarly. At what point did Bills fans get to a point where simply hoping to get to .500 should be something to be considered a landmark development?

At what point did Bills fans get to a point where beating up on the bottom worst teams in the league without being able to do the same against top half teams in the league became some kind of relevant achievement?

At what point did Bills fans get to a point where we are now they consider that a launching point for calling every skeptic, fan or not, some kind of name and slamming them, fellow Bills fans, especially when we've been in this situation before with nothing changing after it?

What does it say about people like that that would take such a position, besides the fact that somewhere along the way they lost all sense of what greatness really is?

Since you seem to have missed it this season, many of the posters here that insisted that we were a 10-6, 11-5, or even a 9-7 team now seem to be satisfied if we get to 8-8 and some even to 7-9 to be able to brag about progress.

I feel very very sorry for fans like that.

Start there instead of slandering your fellow Bills fan posters.

PS I've been a Bills fan for over 30 years.

[blackonyx89]

Looks like more of an attack on some posters if you ask me.

I don't see anything at all Bills related in there.

So I'll take the time to vent similarly. At what point did Bills fans get to a point where simply hoping to get to .500 should be something to be considered a landmark development?

At what point did Bills fans get to a point where beating up on the bottom worst teams in the league without being able to do the same against top half teams in the league became some kind of relevant achievement?

At what point did Bills fans get to a point where we are now they consider that a launching point for calling every skeptic, fan or not, some kind of name and slamming them, fellow Bills fans, especially when we've been in this situation before with nothing changing after it?

What does it say about people like that that would take such a position, besides the fact that somewhere along the way they lost all sense of what greatness really is?

Since you seem to have missed it this season, many of the posters here that insisted that we were a 10-6, 11-5, or even a 9-7 team now seem to be satisfied if we get to 8-8 and some even to 7-9 to be able to brag about progress.

I feel very very sorry for fans like that.

Start there instead of slandering your fellow Bills fan posters.

PS I've been a Bills fan for over 30 years.


Hmmmmmmm.......the whole point is that I know that it will take a couple more years and key acquisitons to make the Bills better and ultimately Pegula needs to get this team back to being competitive and respectable on a consistent basis. Constantly hearing negative remarks over and over again is tiresome and from many people I know, don't get it. As far as the rest of the posters Bills fans , I can't speak for them and they have every right to be opimistic and they're no different than any other of the 31 teams in this league, whether they are good or bad, they stick with their teams.

[Fletch]

Hmmmmmmm.......the whole point is that I know that it will take a couple more years and key acquisitons to make the Bills better and ultimately Pegula needs to get this team back to being competitive and respectable on a consistent basis. Constantly hearing negative remarks over and over again is tiresome and many people I know, don't get it. As far as the rest of the posters Bills fans , I can't speak for them and they have every right to be opimistic and they're no different than any other of the 31 teams in this league, whether they are good or bad, they stick with their teams.

And just off hand, what's your quick thought here, do Bills fans generally speaking have more reason to be critical or to be joyous?

In other words, do you expect conversations about the overall performance of this team to lean more favorably or more unfavorably generally speaking?

Careful how you answer those given our remaining schedule..

[blackonyx89]

Not the posters here at all, just people around me and my previous post stands by itself regardless of how the season ends.

[Fletch]

Not the posters here at all, just people around me and my previous post stands by itself regardless of how the season ends.

Gotcha

You might wanna make that more clear in the future, there are a number of posters here that seem to enjoy trashing people personally that don't **** streamers and confetti when they talk about the Bills.

As fans to non-fans, unfortunately we seem to have to accept our lot. Not much we can do about it except piss and moan until the team actually legitimately improves, wouldn't you agree?

Let's hope that Pegula makes the tough decisions promptly in the meantime.

[blackonyx89]

Gotcha

You might wanna make that more clear in the future, there are a number of posters here that seem to enjoy trashing people personally that don't **** streamers and confetti when they talk about the Bills.

As fans to non-fans, unfortunately we seem to have to accept our lot. Not much we can do about it except piss and moan until the team actually legitimately improves, wouldn't you agree?

Let's hope that Pegula makes the tough decisions promptly in the meantime.

Troll..........

[SeatownBillsFan21]

Troll..........

Agreed

[Fletch]

Troll..........

LOL

As I was saying, some fans appear to be perfectly and perpetually satisfied with mediocrity. The rest are trolls.

It's easy to understand their position given all the times we've been to the playoffs and how many times we've won there over the last decade .... or two.

[swiper]

Hmmmmmmm.......the whole point is that I know that it will take a couple more years and key acquisitons to make the Bills better and ultimately Pegula needs to get this team back to being competitive and respectable on a consistent basis. Constantly hearing negative remarks over and over again is tiresome and from many people I know, don't get it. As far as the rest of the posters Bills fans , I can't speak for them and they have every right to be opimistic and they're no different than any other of the 31 teams in this league, whether they are good or bad, they stick with their teams.

Groan. If you've been a Bills fan for as long as you've said, then you are either dense or stupid. We've been living on the promise of "it will take a couple more years and key acquisitions." We're sick of the Russ Brandon promises. It's ****. They are lies. Go crawl back under the lowly rock you crawled out from under.

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The olnly troll here is the o.p.

[Mr. Pink]

The Buffalo Bills, only team in the history of sports to be in the middle of a 15+ year rebuild according to some apparently.

[Fletch]

The Buffalo Bills, only team in the history of sports to be in the middle of a 15+ year rebuild according to some apparently.

LOL

Good point. It could actually be a 30 or 40-year rebuild if nothing changes.

[OpIv37]

I've been out of the Buffalo area since 2001 (specifically, DC and Baltimore).

I haven't really met any Bills haters. No one hates bad teams.

When I tell people I'm a Bills fan, I usually get a sympathetic "Oh," like when you tell someone your grandma died 20 years ago. Even when I meet Jets or Dolphins fans, they just say, "dude I just hope you guys beat the Patriots." And while Boston fans are usually douchebags, 2 games a year against the Bills has gone a LONG way toward all their recent success and record breaking. They love us because we're they're whipping boys.

So, I don't know where you are finding these Bills haters.

[Fletch]

I've been out of the Buffalo area since 2001 (specifically, DC and Baltimore).

I haven't really met any Bills haters. No one hates bad teams.

When I tell people I'm a Bills fan, I usually get a sympathetic "Oh," like when you tell someone your grandma died 20 years ago. Even when I meet Jets or Dolphins fans, they just say, "dude I just hope you guys beat the Patriots." And while Boston fans are usually douchebags, 2 games a year against the Bills has gone a LONG way toward all their recent success and record breaking. They love us because we're they're whipping boys.

So, I don't know where you are finding these Bills haters.

Good point. Now that I think about it pity seems to be the primary emotional offering.

[TacklingDummy]

Being a Bills fan for as long as I can remember, I'm 43, I am immune to people in the public laughing at my Bills Tshirts/hats.

No one knows the heartbreak/laughter/WTF moments better than Bills fans.

[DynaPaul]

After all these years I'm just immune to everything. You won't get a reaction out of me with wide right and 0 for 4 jokes though it doesn't happen very often.

[justasportsfan]

Blackonyx started a troll party.

[pmoon6]

I don't know anyone that "hates" the Bills'. The only people that hate the team are a percentage of Bills' fans themselves. A large percentage if this board is any indication.

[Fletch]

I don't know anyone that "hates" the Bills'. The only people that hate the team are a percentage of Bills' fans themselves. A large percentage if this board is any indication.

Now now, don't be so hard on yourself, some of us really want greatness for this team and won't settle for that self-immolating tendency in settling for mediocrity.

:peace:

[pmoon6]

Now now, don't be so hard on yourself, some of us really want greatness for this team and won't settle for that self-immolating tendency in settling for mediocrity.

:peace:The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.

[swiper]

The "won't settle" just means he would stop being so critical at the point they right the ship. That's the way I read it anyway.

[pmoon6]

The "won't settle" just means he would stop being so critical at the point they right the ship. That's the way I read it anyway.Wow.

So he would stop acting like an impotent wanker when he gets what he wants?

Nothing screams New Age America like this ****.

"I won't eat my spinach, I won't, I won't, I won't".

Generation X, Y and Z rolled into one.

[swiper]

Well, it's his life. The internet gives everyone a stage to misbehave on. Just sayin'.

[YardRat]

Go find another team to root for. Pretty simple.

[pmoon6]

Well, it's his life. The internet gives everyone a stage to misbehave on. Just sayin'.Too true. Thank you for reminding me........

[notacon]

Looks like more of an attack on some posters if you ask me.

I don't see anything at all Bills related in there.

So I'll take the time to vent similarly. At what point did Bills fans get to a point where simply hoping to get to .500 should be something to be considered a landmark development?

At what point did Bills fans get to a point where beating up on the bottom worst teams in the league without being able to do the same against top half teams in the league became some kind of relevant achievement?

At what point did Bills fans get to a point where we are now they consider that a launching point for calling every skeptic, fan or not, some kind of name and slamming them, fellow Bills fans, especially when we've been in this situation before with nothing changing after it?

What does it say about people like that that would take such a position, besides the fact that somewhere along the way they lost all sense of what greatness really is?

Since you seem to have missed it this season, many of the posters here that insisted that we were a 10-6, 11-5, or even a 9-7 team now seem to be satisfied if we get to 8-8 and some even to 7-9 to be able to brag about progress.

I feel very very sorry for fans like that.

Start there instead of slandering your fellow Bills fan posters.

PS I've been a Bills fan for over 30 years.

Well...I've been a Bills fan for over 50 years. I am guilty of not accepting mediocrity. It's not that I hate the Bills, it's because I HATE LOSING!!!!

In those 50+ years, I have been proud of the team during only two stretches. The first in the mid 60's when they won two AFL Championships. The second was when they won four straight AFC Championships but lost four Super Bowls.

So...let's add a few years to the six really good seasons they have had and say that 25% of the time, since the Bills have been in existence, they were a successful team. That means 75% of the time they have generally sucked to varying degrees.

I'm sick and tired of hearing the same bullcrap..."...it will take a couple more years and key acquisitons to make the Bills better and ultimately Pegula needs to get this team back to being competitive and respectable on a consistent basis..."

PLEASE. Stop it!!

Most of you are too young to remember the really bad times. Varying years of terrible, terrible teams. This franchise has many, many more embarrassing **** seasons than anything else. The only times that Wilson responded was when full blown fan revolt took place.

The epitome of bad, bad, bad, bad franchises in all of sports is the Buffalo Bills over their 55 year history.

Maybe Pagula will make the hard choices that need to be made. I hope so.

But, just stop the whining about "Bills haters". After all those years and years of agony and disappointment, I am still proud Bills fan. Proud enough to ***** when they do wrong, and voice strong objection when they are making bad decisions....which seems endless.

Bad parents stand by idly as they see their children sucked down into bad spiral of bad decisions and destructive behavior....making excuses for their dismal off spring that attempts to cover up how disappointing adults they have grown into.

Good parents do the opposite.

[pmoon6]

:rofl: Comparing being a parent with being a football fan is hilarious to the Nth degree. But, as I said to Fletchy, you have no control being a fan, but you only wish you did.

Of course, the experts and "realists" here could do a better job managing, coaching and playing even though they sometimes act as if a football was lodged up their ass.


You have plenty of control in the way you raise your kids...at least until they become teenagers.

[notacon]

:rofl: Comparing being a parent with being a football fan is hilarious to the Nth degree. But, as I said to Fletchy, you have no control being a fan, but you only wish you did.

Of course, the experts and "realists" here could do a better job managing, coaching and playing even though they sometimes act as if a football was lodged up their ass.


You have plenty of control in the way you raise your kids...at least until they become teenagers.

No, you stalking me around the site just to insult and denigrate me is hilarious to the Nth degree. Pathetic too.

[better days]

Looks like more of an attack on some posters if you ask me.

I don't see anything at all Bills related in there.

So I'll take the time to vent similarly. At what point did Bills fans get to a point where simply hoping to get to .500 should be something to be considered a landmark development?

At what point did Bills fans get to a point where beating up on the bottom worst teams in the league without being able to do the same against top half teams in the league became some kind of relevant achievement?

At what point did Bills fans get to a point where we are now they consider that a launching point for calling every skeptic, fan or not, some kind of name and slamming them, fellow Bills fans, especially when we've been in this situation before with nothing changing after it?

What does it say about people like that that would take such a position, besides the fact that somewhere along the way they lost all sense of what greatness really is?

Since you seem to have missed it this season, many of the posters here that insisted that we were a 10-6, 11-5, or even a 9-7 team now seem to be satisfied if we get to 8-8 and some even to 7-9 to be able to brag about progress.

I feel very very sorry for fans like that.

Start there instead of slandering your fellow Bills fan posters.

PS I've been a Bills fan for over 30 years.

OK Fletch name us one poster that insisted the Bills would go 10-6, 11-5 or even 9-7 that will be satisfied with 8-8 or 7-9.

Actually not all that many fans predicted those records for the Bills. Probably about the same number of fans that predicted the Bills would go 5-11, 4-12, or even 3-13.

The majority of fans on this board predicted 8-8, 7-9 or 6-10.

I guess a .500 record is a landmark development for the fans that predicted the Bills to finish 8-8 or worse, but not me.

I predicted the Bills would finish 10-6 or 9-7. I don't see 8 wins or less as acceptable myself.

And I will hold the Coaching staff accountable myself if the Bills finish 8-8 or worse.

If the Bills finish 8-8, I want Hackett fired. Any worse than a 8-8 record & I want Marrone & everyone else on the Offensive side of the ball fired.

[better days]

The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.

And there is a segment of this board that would rather see some players like EJ, Sammy & Mario do poorly than play well & see the Bills lose rather than win just so they can say "I TOLD YOU SO."

[swiper]

And there is a segment of this board that would rather see some players like EJ, Sammy & Mario do poorly than play well & see the Bills lose rather than win just so they can say "I TOLD YOU SO."

Correction. There are a segment of this board who feel those players aren't very good. With Manuel that is just a fact. A couple of others don't think the others are too good. They don't "want" them to do poorly. And the over-riding complaint with the latter two you named isn't that the players "aren't good, " but just that they think the Bills paid way too much for them.

[Fletch]

The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.

Aside from ther "attack the poster" stuff that the mods never police this is one of those classic posts for the humor file. Let's dissect it.



The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

You're right about control but wrong about influence. Read up on Stephen Covey's principles some time, it'll help you understand this. We as fans, especially in a place such as this do have influence in the arena of public opinion. If you don't understand that then I have nothing to say. As to a protection mechanism, lol, check back in a month and come see protection mechanism city if we can't beat Cleveland today and at least finish 8-8. Either way, this team has a long way to go to ensure 8-8 or better next season too, especially without a 1st-round pick that all the other teams have.



You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

You have to love it when people that persistently unleash barrages of vile and acrimonious personal insults at others talk about the childish approach of others. Let's start there.

I'll counter your over-analysis statement with your and others supportive of your "approach" with a hearty and robust guffaw at the attempts of reducing this team's capabilities to media headlines, defensive rankings built largely on the worst teams in the league, popular opinion in a forum, and oversimplification of one-entry stats like Ws-Ls regardless of the fact that few if any of those Ws ever come against above average teams. And of course the grand daddy of 'em all, the cavalier flinging around of the term "troll" which has become meaningless here.



Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

LOL

I really can't help but notice those that liked this post, first, YardRat, another vitriolic hate spewing person when things are posted that he doesn't like, Yasgur's Farm, a moderator who liked your post here while stepping over your minefield of "attacks on the poster(s)" while giving his ringing endorsement to it, but most importantly, better days, who is very likeable yet hardly anyone who has any concept of pretty much any realities and whose opinions are a carousel of thoughts that always seem to end up wherever the team does despite where it started.

As to Yasgur's (and other mods') lack of policing this place, I've had numerous other posters let me know in private that that's their top dislike about this place, that it does not allow dissension from views such as your own, and again, with all of the "attacks on the poster," violations of the terms-of-service, that Yasgur clearly endorses as long as it plays out his way.

None of this has anything to do with football though which is the funny part. If you and others don't like the analyses, first, why read them? Second, counter them with an analysis of your own. Third, ignore the posters that do that permanently. Some people enjoy discussing things back and forth. Clearly you, Yard Rat, and some others just can't have that now, can ya. Not that that would qualify as "childish approach" or "intellectual garbage" that you, not me, stated.



The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.

The true fan, around the country for every program, not simply limited to Buffalo and WNY, refuses to settle for garbage, poor decision making, repeated risky decision making that does not pan out, and decades of epic futility and the people who bring it to us while assuming that many of us are going to support it simply because there is no other team in Buffalo and therefore take advantage of us and play us for fools and people that just want to go "see a game" instead of fans that expect more.

I'm also not going to permit you to, once again as has been tried a thousand time, to slip in that last little diddy,
They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment. , with the implication that those of us most critical do not enjoy watching the games, generally speaking as no one enjoys watching a team flounder around haplessly for three hours as is not unusual for us. We all watch the games and have no doubt the same reactions to things that everyone does.

You talk as if you fart odors of lavender during games when any fool can go into the GDTs and see all four of you griping about the very things you now hammer others about. If you choose to engage in such hypocrisy, that's fine, but let's not overlook the fact that it is in fact hypocrisy.

Otherwise, once the game ends forums such as this are made for exactly that, discussing the team openly. The fact that the mods play favorites and allow posters such as yourself to routinely breach their own terms-of-service says little for them and nothing for you. But that's when analysis, discussion, and debate can and should take place. But, and with all due respect to better days, who is very nice usually, when you insist that someone's opinions like his are equal to those of some other posters that put much more thought and analysis into their posts, then statements like that are made for the hall-of-humor here. (Seriously better days, no disrespect intended) :peace:

And where are all the posters that vehmently insisted that we'll be at least 9-7, some 10-6 or better? Where are they now? Three months ago many were vehemently slamming some of us, those that actually put a little effort into analyzing, as "trolls" and many other very harsh things. So where are they moon6? I'm just curious, because I'm not seeing those same posts here now. I wonder why not. Would you have any idea? I'm sure it all boils down to injuries and other things that we've actually been more favorable than average on this year. It surely can't be because of Orton because their predictions were made with Manuel as the starter and only an insignificant few have argued that we'd be better with Manuel which is a ridiculous notion.

So it seems to me that those that actually put a little something into the analyses are the ones worth reading and interacting with. But you know what, you have a choice to do or not do that. Clearly you either don't realize that or you simply cannot tolerate anyone discussing things that are not favorable to your (and Yard Rat's, Yasgur's, and better days') opinions.

So which is it? Do you not realize that you have a choice? Or are you simply intolerant of any views that aren't supported by you?

Meanwhile you and others that think similarly have no hesitation cluttering up the place with completely repetitive posts like that that have absolutely nothing to do about football, but then you complain about repetitive posts that people make in forum "conversation," very civil forum conversation until your ilk seems to show up, that are entirely football related.

Funny, repetitive, but funny, post though.

[Fletch]

Go find another team to root for. Pretty simple.

Funny, I would say that to fans that seem to be fully satisfied with striving for a .500 record and only "being alive mathematically" for the playoffs come December.

[Fletch]

But, just stop the whining about "Bills haters". After all those years and years of agony and disappointment, I am still proud Bills fan. Proud enough to ***** when they do wrong, and voice strong objection when they are making bad decisions....which seems endless.

Good post overall notacon. But I wanted to point out that part.

So many fans here seem to think the Bills are the equivalent of an entertainment soup kitchen for the homeless, an NFP that is a charitable organization.

What it is is a business that only the uber wealthy can even possibly afford to own, one that draws from taxpayers involuntarily, one that lines the pockets of its owners win or lose, and one that like it or not represents the communities of those same people.

To suggest, as they imply, that we should simply be happy to have this entertainment soup kitchen around since it's free and doesn't cost us anything is ridiculous. We all pay for it in one way or another, and for those that live outside the region, while they may not see some of their tax money go to support financing on a stadium for the uber wealthy in Buffalo, EC, or WNY, if they live within 90% of the rest of the country anywhere close to a metro area then they're paying taxes for some other uber wealthy NFL team owner for a team that they don't even care about.

As such I definitely think that fans have a full right to expect at least competency in key positions within the organization. We haven't had that here in decades, since Polian's days. Some of us that don't pay for tickets to games that won't entertain us on anything even approaching a regular basis anymore want to pay for tickets to games that will. What does it say for those that are entertained by watching games like the NE game or SD? Sure, it's entertaining watching us beat the hell out of a team like the Jets that shows up looking stunned from the onset, I guess. At some point it gets to be more like watching the 3rd ranked heavyweight contender knock around some stiff from the ghetto on his first stint as a pro boxer though.

At some point I'd like to be entertained in January.

Either way, since fan-haters don't realize it, this entertainment is perfectly in the arena of full public opinion, I mean does that really need to be stated? I think that these guys need to take a trip down to NYC these days and it'll redefine what being critical is for them making what goes on here look like childs play.

The massive irony every season is how at the end of the season the opinions of posters such as myself, and a bunch of others that I won't mention for their own good, haven't changed much since the beginning of the season, and those that complained about us throughout the season all of a sudden engage in uncontrolled rants of how just about everything regarding the team sucks. You can't make that stuff up. We'll see it again if we don't win today and lose to Denver, GB, and NE again, every one of those games all but guaranteed losses given how we've been playing this year.

[Fletch]

:rofl: Comparing being a parent with being a football fan is hilarious to the Nth degree. But, as I said to Fletchy, you have no control being a fan, but you only wish you did.

Of course, the experts and "realists" here could do a better job managing, coaching and playing even though they sometimes act as if a football was lodged up their ass.


You have plenty of control in the way you raise your kids...at least until they become teenagers.

Again moon, we have influence, not control. Why do you think that many coaching changes are made, both pro and college, it's because of public influence in one form or another. To deny that is to deny the reality that you make light of.

As to doing a better job of managing, I think that a popular opinion poll, seriously, could have done better than our front office with our 1st-rounders and even other aspects of the team over the years. Experts? At OBD? LOL They may be professionals, but experts? Highly debatable my friend.

[Fletch]

OK Fletch name us one poster that insisted the Bills would go 10-6, 11-5 or even 9-7 that will be satisfied with 8-8 or 7-9.

No disrespect intended better days, but I'm not your forum or google lackey. Go look for it yourself. I distinctly remember engaging in discussion with many of them. I wont' mention a few because they're nicer posters and I don't want to drag them into this mudpit. Here's a clue though, look for posts in early September and late August. There was a thread started about a USA Today article that claimed that the team would be 3-13. That'd be a good start, but I recall many fewer that had us posting a losing season rather than a winning one. This was the year, remember, Watkins was going to make all the difference. Posts on that too for a rookie that hasn't even been able to outperform his peers on 1, 2, and 3-win teams.



I predicted the Bills would finish 10-6 or 9-7. I don't see 8 wins or less as acceptable myself.

Thanks for your honesty, although I seem to recall at one point you saying 11-5 too. Either way, when I was saying 5-11 plus/minus a game with Manuel, maybe one or two more wins with Orton, I dstinctly recall you arguing vehemently with me. Not necessarily disrectfully as I don't recall, but vehemently for sure and telling me similar things about how I didn't know what I was talking about. Well, if we win today we're eyeing 8 wins maybe, if not, we're looking at another losing season in the eyes.



And I will hold the Coaching staff accountable myself if the Bills finish 8-8 or worse.

If the Bills finish 8-8, I want Hackett fired. Any worse than a 8-8 record & I want Marrone & everyone else on the Offensive side of the ball fired.

Hackett, huh?

How about Marrone, and Whaley for not doing what he said and leaving the cupboard bare on a trade that only 50% of Bills fans (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/226890-Curiosity-Question-Who-Supports-the-Trade-Made-to-Land-Watkins) and hardly anyone else around the country would have made in hindsight?

This is a head coach QB league these days. Neither of them are cutting it.

While some are high on Schwartz, I'd first like to see him hold a few top-10 offenses to below average points before lauding him as being great simply for being able to manage the worst 10 offenses in the league. Or as a "true fan" should I merely be content with our ability to hold offenses ranked in the 20s to fewer than their average points on a regular basis? You tell me.

[Fletch]

Correction. There are a segment of this board who feel those players aren't very good. With Manuel that is just a fact. A couple of others don't think the others are too good. They don't "want" them to do poorly. And the over-riding complaint with the latter two you named isn't that the players "aren't good, " but just that they think the Bills paid way too much for them.

Exactly right Swiper. I don't know why it's so hard for some to grasp that. Signing Mario for "best defensive player money" was not a knock on Mario, but on the front office just as giving Fitzpatrick $60-some million was. Clearly Mario's a very good player despite being inconsistent. Still, barring unforeseeable cap issues he needs to be kept on.

Spiller's another player that the team needs to let walk. We waste more time and opportunities and drives giving him the ball while awaiting for that special alignment in the stars where he has "in space" so that he can crack off a long run on his speed but on which he rarely is able to outrun defenders for a TD.

As to Sammy, I'll guarantee that by the end of the season if one were to post a poll nationwide as to whether they'd rather have Sammy as option A, Evans as option B, or any other WR from this past draft class and a mid-1st-round pick in this forthcoming draft and a mid-4th rounder too as option C, that the overwhelming majority of responses would be for option C with option B coming in 2nd.

That's not a knock on Sammy, nor does it mean that Sammy isn't good or has no talent, it's a knock on our FO and Whaley.

[trapezeus]

i actually think a .500 team will have a fairly equal split between very optimistic and very pessimistic. so the variety of opinion makes sense.

i just think some posters will never be happy. and they want to be right more than see the team be successful. in my heart, i relaly think that russ brandon's strategy of running the team holds themback. but if the bills win the superbowl under his leadership, i really won't care. we all wanted the same thing and he got it for us.

and i would rather be wrong and have the bills be good than to be right and have them still suck. the pessimistics who are like me, i get and i don't mind hearing their frustrations. the ones's like fletch are tiresome and their posts bringdown the board discussion.

[Fletch]

i just think some posters will never be happy. and they want to be right more than see the team be successful. in my heart, i relaly think that russ brandon's strategy of running the team holds themback. but if the bills win the superbowl under his leadership, i really won't care. we all wanted the same thing and he got it for us.

Right, and if Rex Ryan can win a Super Bowl under his leadership Jets fans would be happy too. Do you see that happening, ... ever?

Otherwise, you're saying that if we were 9-2 right now and tied with the Pats after having beaten them the first time in Buffalo that you really think that there would be some fans here that would be unhappy with that?

I remember being that good in the 90s Super Bowl years and being completely content. Disappointed that we couldn't win a SB but content otherwise.

We are so far from being that team right now that there aren't many comparisons though. I don't understand your crystal ball approach that knows what others would think under far better circumstances. Don't you think that's very presumptuous?



and i would rather be wrong and have the bills be good than to be right and have them still suck. the pessimistics who are like me, i get and i don't mind hearing their frustrations. the ones's like fletch are tiresome and their posts bringdown the board discussion.

I have to ask trapezeus, what's holding you back from ingoring me or using the tech feature of "ignore" if my posts bother you that much? Really, why don't you do that. Just dismiss me as a raving lunatic and permanent ingrate and ignore me. Very respectfully, I would be very pleased if you, moon6, Yard Rat, and a handful of other posters did that.



i actually think a .500 team will have a fairly equal split between very optimistic and very pessimistic. so the variety of opinion makes sense.

Do you think that the attitude towards those that were pessimistic would be the same as it was for those that were optimistic?

I'd say that until this team actually cracks that 10-win barrier any and all Bills fans at their choosing reserve the right to complain as much as they want about how this team is run. Do you disagree?

[pmoon6]

No, you stalking me around the site just to insult and denigrate me is hilarious to the Nth degree. Pathetic too."Stalking you".

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Don't flatter yourself.

[pmoon6]

Aside from ther "attack the poster" stuff that the mods never police this is one of those classic posts for the humor file. Let's dissect it.




You're right about control but wrong about influence. Read up on Stephen Covey's principles some time, it'll help you understand this. We as fans, especially in a place such as this do have influence in the arena of public opinion. If you don't understand that then I have nothing to say. As to a protection mechanism, lol, check back in a month and come see protection mechanism city if we can't beat Cleveland today and at least finish 8-8. Either way, this team has a long way to go to ensure 8-8 or better next season too, especially without a 1st-round pick that all the other teams have.




You have to love it when people that persistently unleash barrages of vile and acrimonious personal insults at others talk about the childish approach of others. Let's start there.

I'll counter your over-analysis statement with your and others supportive of your "approach" with a hearty and robust guffaw at the attempts of reducing this team's capabilities to media headlines, defensive rankings built largely on the worst teams in the league, popular opinion in a forum, and oversimplification of one-entry stats like Ws-Ls regardless of the fact that few if any of those Ws ever come against above average teams. And of course the grand daddy of 'em all, the cavalier flinging around of the term "troll" which has become meaningless here.




LOL

I really can't help but notice those that liked this post, first, YardRat, another vitriolic hate spewing person when things are posted that he doesn't like, Yasgur's Farm, a moderator who liked your post here while stepping over your minefield of "attacks on the poster(s)" while giving his ringing endorsement to it, but most importantly, better days, who is very likeable yet hardly anyone who has any concept of pretty much any realities and whose opinions are a carousel of thoughts that always seem to end up wherever the team does despite where it started.

As to Yasgur's (and other mods') lack of policing this place, I've had numerous other posters let me know in private that that's their top dislike about this place, that it does not allow dissension from views such as your own, and again, with all of the "attacks on the poster," violations of the terms-of-service, that Yasgur clearly endorses as long as it plays out his way.

None of this has anything to do with football though which is the funny part. If you and others don't like the analyses, first, why read them? Second, counter them with an analysis of your own. Third, ignore the posters that do that permanently. Some people enjoy discussing things back and forth. Clearly you, Yard Rat, and some others just can't have that now, can ya. Not that that would qualify as "childish approach" or "intellectual garbage" that you, not me, stated.




The true fan, around the country for every program, not simply limited to Buffalo and WNY, refuses to settle for garbage, poor decision making, repeated risky decision making that does not pan out, and decades of epic futility and the people who bring it to us while assuming that many of us are going to support it simply because there is no other team in Buffalo and therefore take advantage of us and play us for fools and people that just want to go "see a game" instead of fans that expect more.

I'm also not going to permit you to, once again as has been tried a thousand time, to slip in that last little diddy, , with the implication that those of us most critical do not enjoy watching the games, generally speaking as no one enjoys watching a team flounder around haplessly for three hours as is not unusual for us. We all watch the games and have no doubt the same reactions to things that everyone does.

You talk as if you fart odors of lavender during games when any fool can go into the GDTs and see all four of you griping about the very things you now hammer others about. If you choose to engage in such hypocrisy, that's fine, but let's not overlook the fact that it is in fact hypocrisy.

Otherwise, once the game ends forums such as this are made for exactly that, discussing the team openly. The fact that the mods play favorites and allow posters such as yourself to routinely breach their own terms-of-service says little for them and nothing for you. But that's when analysis, discussion, and debate can and should take place. But, and with all due respect to better days, who is very nice usually, when you insist that someone's opinions like his are equal to those of some other posters that put much more thought and analysis into their posts, then statements like that are made for the hall-of-humor here. (Seriously better days, no disrespect intended) :peace:

And where are all the posters that vehmently insisted that we'll be at least 9-7, some 10-6 or better? Where are they now? Three months ago many were vehemently slamming some of us, those that actually put a little effort into analyzing, as "trolls" and many other very harsh things. So where are they moon6? I'm just curious, because I'm not seeing those same posts here now. I wonder why not. Would you have any idea? I'm sure it all boils down to injuries and other things that we've actually been more favorable than average on this year. It surely can't be because of Orton because their predictions were made with Manuel as the starter and only an insignificant few have argued that we'd be better with Manuel which is a ridiculous notion.

So it seems to me that those that actually put a little something into the analyses are the ones worth reading and interacting with. But you know what, you have a choice to do or not do that. Clearly you either don't realize that or you simply cannot tolerate anyone discussing things that are not favorable to your (and Yard Rat's, Yasgur's, and better days') opinions.

So which is it? Do you not realize that you have a choice? Or are you simply intolerant of any views that aren't supported by you?

Meanwhile you and others that think similarly have no hesitation cluttering up the place with completely repetitive posts like that that have absolutely nothing to do about football, but then you complain about repetitive posts that people make in forum "conversation," very civil forum conversation until your ilk seems to show up, that are entirely football related.

Funny, repetitive, but funny, post though.You want some cheese with your whine, pussy.

[Fletch]

You want some cheese with your whine, pussy.

I didn't say anything to warrant that moon.

You just had to comment, right.

Enjoy the game. Not going well now.

[pmoon6]

I didn't say anything to warrant that moon.

You just had to comment, right.

Enjoy the game. Not going well now.You were crying about the supposed lack of moderation when I didn't even insult you.

Grow a pair if you want to talk ****.

[Fletch]

You were crying about the supposed lack of moderation when I didn't even insult you.

Grow a pair if you want to talk ****.

LOL

[better days]

No disrespect intended better days, but I'm not your forum or google lackey. Go look for it yourself. I distinctly remember engaging in discussion with many of them. I wont' mention a few because they're nicer posters and I don't want to drag them into this mudpit. Here's a clue though, look for posts in early September and late August. There was a thread started about a USA Today article that claimed that the team would be 3-13. That'd be a good start, but I recall many fewer that had us posting a losing season rather than a winning one. This was the year, remember, Watkins was going to make all the difference. Posts on that too for a rookie that hasn't even been able to outperform his peers on 1, 2, and 3-win teams.




Thanks for your honesty, although I seem to recall at one point you saying 11-5 too. Either way, when I was saying 5-11 plus/minus a game with Manuel, maybe one or two more wins with Orton, I dstinctly recall you arguing vehemently with me. Not necessarily disrectfully as I don't recall, but vehemently for sure and telling me similar things about how I didn't know what I was talking about. Well, if we win today we're eyeing 8 wins maybe, if not, we're looking at another losing season in the eyes.




Hackett, huh?

How about Marrone, and Whaley for not doing what he said and leaving the cupboard bare on a trade that only 50% of Bills fans (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/226890-Curiosity-Question-Who-Supports-the-Trade-Made-to-Land-Watkins) and hardly anyone else around the country would have made in hindsight?

This is a head coach QB league these days. Neither of them are cutting it.

While some are high on Schwartz, I'd first like to see him hold a few top-10 offenses to below average points before lauding him as being great simply for being able to manage the worst 10 offenses in the league. Or as a "true fan" should I merely be content with our ability to hold offenses ranked in the 20s to fewer than their average points on a regular basis? You tell me.

Well, YOU are the one that claimed MANY people predicted the Bills would go 10-6 or 9-7 & those people would now be satisfied with 8-8 or less.

In the first place not all that many people predicted the Bills would finish better than 8-8.

I was one of the minority that did. But I don't know of a single person that thought the Bills would have a winning season that will be satisfied with 8-8 or less.

You said MANY would, so I think you can come up with at least ONE person that would be satisfied with that MEDIOCRE record or admit NOBODY that thought the Bills would have a winning record will be satisfied with 8-8.

[Yasgur's Farm]

My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.
The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.

[notacon]

"Stalking you".

Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

Don't flatter yourself.

Yes, stalking me. And you have threatened me with violence more times than I care to count.

It's really, really creepy.

[trapezeus]

Right, and if Rex Ryan can win a Super Bowl under his leadership Jets fans would be happy too. Do you see that happening, ... ever?

Otherwise, you're saying that if we were 9-2 right now and tied with the Pats after having beaten them the first time in Buffalo that you really think that there would be some fans here that would be unhappy with that?

I remember being that good in the 90s Super Bowl years and being completely content. Disappointed that we couldn't win a SB but content otherwise.

We are so far from being that team right now that there aren't many comparisons though. I don't understand your crystal ball approach that knows what others would think under far better circumstances. Don't you think that's very presumptuous?




I have to ask trapezeus, what's holding you back from ingoring me or using the tech feature of "ignore" if my posts bother you that much? Really, why don't you do that. Just dismiss me as a raving lunatic and permanent ingrate and ignore me. Very respectfully, I would be very pleased if you, moon6, Yard Rat, and a handful of other posters did that.




Do you think that the attitude towards those that were pessimistic would be the same as it was for those that were optimistic?

I'd say that until this team actually cracks that 10-win barrier any and all Bills fans at their choosing reserve the right to complain as much as they want about how this team is run. Do you disagree?

because you are a newbie that single handedly bring down the discussion level on this board.

I've never seen someone write so much and say so little.

[Fletch]

because you are a newbie that single handedly bring down the discussion level on this board.

I've never seen someone write so much and say so little.

LOL

Unlike your commentary which is either ridiculously obvious 90% of the time when it's actually related to football or just like that above, having absolutely nothing to do with football, only having to do with your personal vendettas.

Yes, I understand. Noted.

[Fletch]

My name's Max Yasgur, and I approve of this post.

And you're a mod?

LMAO

Again, hits the point that I've made to you repeatedly in private, that you enforce the terms-of-service per your personal likes and affiliations.

What do you think that says for you as a mod? I'm curious.

To me it says that you support attacking the poster as long as its a poster that you don't favor. Thoughts?

[trapezeus]

we can't all be clairvoyant on how the bills had to leave buffalo or how benjamin was the perfect pick at 9. and now odell was the hot name last week that you would have took.

keep telling us how you are the smartest guy on the board. we love to read the 400 pages and random stats that prove you don't watch a lot of football.

[Fletch]

we can't all be clairvoyant on how the bills had to leave buffalo or how benjamin was the perfect pick at 9. and now odell was the hot name last week that you would have took.

keep telling us how you are the smartest guy on the board. we love to read the 400 pages and random stats that prove you don't watch a lot of football.

would have took

I think that part of the problems here just rose to the surface.

[Yasgur's Farm]

And you're a mod?

LMAO

Again, hits the point that I've made to you repeatedly in private, that you enforce the terms-of-service per your personal likes and affiliations.

What do you think that says for you as a mod? I'm curious.

To me it says that you support attacking the poster as long as its a poster that you don't favor. Thoughts?I hear BB.com has some really strict TOS enforcement... Perhaps your post would like it better over there. They may even agree with your posts definitions pertaining to "attacking the poster".

Oh, I almost forgot, "Buffalo Bills football". There... that makes this a relevant post.

[pmoon6]

Yes, stalking me. And you have threatened me with violence more times than I care to count.

It's really, really creepy.:rofl: Get back to me when you take your balls out of your wife's purse.

"Creepy" is for prepubescent girls.

[Dr. Lecter]

Aside from ther "attack the poster" stuff that the mods never police this is one of those classic posts for the humor file. Let's dissect it.



You know, your whining, crying and *****ing is getting old and tiresome.

A few things to let you know about the staff here. We are all volunteers. Nobody gets paid. We put in our time, when we can, to keep this site running because we enjoy it, enjoy most of the people here and love our Buffalo sports teams. Many of us have actual lives we lead. We have jobs. Family. Homes. Hobbies and interests. We put in the time here when we can, and also like to participate in the conversations that take place here. </SPAN>

None of that is meant to make us sound like awesome people. (although, except for Yardie, we are). But I hope that you understand that for the most part we don’t have hours on end to go after people every single time somebody’s feelings are hurt. What we will do though, is address a real issue when it occurs. So when a real personal attack is reported, we address it and move on. What we won’t do is address an issue that is really not an attack or insult or is one that’s so benign that it’s practically meaningless. First off, we don’t have time for that. Secondly, that type of over moderation drives people away. Thirdly, we are all adults here and can deal with it. And, finally, if you think that we don’t address these things there are a number of people who will tell you otherwise that have had their wrists slapped before.
</SPAN>
Most of the people on the staff have been doing this for years. In some cases, it’s a decade or more. We’ve seen people come and go. We’ve kicked people out and let them back in. We’ve warned people and addressed a lot, all the way from racist posts to actual threats to name calling that would make a sailor blush. Nothing you have ever reported comes close to that. Most of what you post is simply people disagreeing with you and in some cases calling out for your behavior. </SPAN>

I don’t know if you are real or somebody trolling for attention or an alias that thinks you are being amusing. Whatever the case is, I strongly suggest that cut the crap and learn how to interact with others. A number of the people that you feel so insulted by have never had an issue with anybody else at this place. At some point you need to realize that it is not the world that’s ****ed up – it’s you. </SPAN>

Grow some thicker skin and realize that people will disagree with you. It happens. And it will continue to happen.</SPAN>

If you can’t handle the atmosphere here, I’m sorry. But I sure as hell won’t feel bad about it. And if you’re doing this for some game you’re playing, it’s not amusing anymore and really never was. </SPAN>

Grow up. </SPAN>

[pmoon6]

You know, your whining, crying and *****ing is getting old and tiresome.

A few things to let you know about the staff here. We are all volunteers. Nobody gets paid. We put in our time, when can, to keep this site running because we enjoy it, enjoy most of the people here and love our Buffalo sports teams. Many of us have actual lives we lead. We have jobs. Family. Homes. Hobbies and interests. We put in the time here when we can, and also like to participate in the conversations that take place here. </SPAN>

None of that is meant to make us sound like awesome people. (although, except for Yardie, we are). But I hope that you understand that for the most part we don’t have hours on end to go after people every single time somebody’s feelings are hurt. What we will do though, is address a real issue when it occurs. So when a real personal attack is reported, we address it and move on. What we won’t do is address an issue that is really not an attack or insult or is one that’s so benign that it’s practically meaningless. First off, we don’t have time for that. Secondly, that type of over moderation drives people away. Thirdly, we are all adults here and can deal with it. And, finally, if you think that we don’t address these things there are a number of people who will tell you otherwise that have had their wrists slapped before.
</SPAN>
Most of the people on the staff have been doing this for years. In some cases, it’s a decade or more. We’ve seen people come and go. We’ve kicked people out and let them back in. We’ve warned people and addressed a lot, all the way from racist posts to actual threats to name calling that would make a sailor blush. Nothing you have ever reported comes close to that. Most of what you post is simply people disagreeing with you and in some cases calling out for your behavior. </SPAN>

I don’t know if you are real or somebody trolling for attention or an alias that thinks you are being amusing. Whatever the case is, I strongly suggest that cut the crap and learn how to interact with others. A number of the people that you feel so insulted by have never had an issue with anybody else at this place. At some point you need to realize that it is not the world that’s ****ed up – it’s you. </SPAN>

Grow some thicker skin and realize that people will disagree with you. It happens. And it will continue to happen.</SPAN>

If you can’t handle the atmosphere here, I’m sorry. But I sure as hell won’t feel bad about it. And if you’re doing this for some game you’re playing, it’s not amusing anymore and really never was. </SPAN>

Grow up. </SPAN>Bravo...bravo...bravissimo.

[Yasgur's Farm]

Thanks Lecter... And if there's any heat about your comments being public rather than PM's, I will attest as to the number of PM's that mods and admins have sent already in attempts to handle this situation behind closed doors.

[Bill Cody]

The idea that you "won't settle" presumes that you have some kind of control. Delusional thinking at best for a supposed fan of a spectators' sport. Your way to deal with it is to constantly ***** and denigrate any move, any result concerning the team even if it's positive because you don't want your whittle feewings hurt again. It's a protection mechanism.

You shroud your childish approach in a vale of pompous, intellectual garbage in an attempt to look smart and "real". You over-analyze even minute points and manipulate statistics to fit your negative view of the team. Again, to feel good about yourself and to protect from getting hurt.

Of course, the criticisms are obviously from someone who has no understanding of the team concept or what it takes to excel at athletics.

The true "realist" understands that they have no control of what happens on the field or behind the closed doors at One Bills' Drive, so they do the prudent thing for a spectator. They enjoy the games on Sunday with family and friends, cheer for their team and realize that it's just entertainment.

Nice post but one problem- you're assuming Fletch is telling the truth when he claims to be a 30+ year Bills fan. I'm not buying it. He may or not be a fan of another team but not ours. It's a schtick.

[Historian]

And one more thing...

We give a lot of latitude on these boards, as a matter of fact, silliness is what the Twilight Zone was created for.

But we try to keep the main Bills board free of all that for the simple fact that the team and the games are the reason people are here.

Most want to have serious Bills discussion without the constant goading and trolling.

Please try to respect that.

[Fletch]

You know, your whining, crying and *****ing is getting old and tiresome.

A few things to let you know about the staff here. We are all volunteers. Nobody gets paid. We put in our time, when we can, to keep this site running because we enjoy it, enjoy most of the people here and love our Buffalo sports teams. Many of us have actual lives we lead. We have jobs. Family. Homes. Hobbies and interests. We put in the time here when we can, and also like to participate in the conversations that take place here.

None of that is meant to make us sound like awesome people. (although, except for Yardie, we are). But I hope that you understand that for the most part we don’t have hours on end to go after people every single time somebody’s feelings are hurt. What we will do though, is address a real issue when it occurs. So when a real personal attack is reported, we address it and move on. What we won’t do is address an issue that is really not an attack or insult or is one that’s so benign that it’s practically meaningless. First off, we don’t have time for that. Secondly, that type of over moderation drives people away. Thirdly, we are all adults here and can deal with it. And, finally, if you think that we don’t address these things there are a number of people who will tell you otherwise that have had their wrists slapped before.

Most of the people on the staff have been doing this for years. In some cases, it’s a decade or more. We’ve seen people come and go. We’ve kicked people out and let them back in. We’ve warned people and addressed a lot, all the way from racist posts to actual threats to name calling that would make a sailor blush. Nothing you have ever reported comes close to that. Most of what you post is simply people disagreeing with you and in some cases calling out for your behavior.

I don’t know if you are real or somebody trolling for attention or an alias that thinks you are being amusing. Whatever the case is, I strongly suggest that cut the crap and learn how to interact with others. A number of the people that you feel so insulted by have never had an issue with anybody else at this place. At some point you need to realize that it is not the world that’s ****ed up – it’s you.

Grow some thicker skin and realize that people will disagree with you. It happens. And it will continue to happen.

If you can’t handle the atmosphere here, I’m sorry. But I sure as hell won’t feel bad about it. And if you’re doing this for some game you’re playing, it’s not amusing anymore and really never was.

Grow up.

LMAO at the posters that thanked your post. All posters that get pet treatment from the mods, if they're not mods themselves.

Check out the last item in my sig. I mean if that doesn't sum it up.

It's funny, with one exception on that list, you let them all run rampant cluttering up the forum with personal petty agenda crap, then whine about the same thing that you say is coming from me when just about everything I post has to do with football.

Class act. LOL

If you want respect as mods and admin, earn it.

[Fletch]

Thanks Lecter... And if there's any heat about your comments being public rather than PM's, I will attest as to the number of PM's that mods and admins have sent already in attempts to handle this situation behind closed doors.

LOL

This is rich too.

Yes, you've sent me all kinds of notes, but when I point out that the worst violators are about a half dozen posters, several of which thanked Lechter's post, you don't do a damn thing about them or even care.

Honestly, it's no wonder that there's no respect for the moderation here.

[Yasgur's Farm]

:duh:

[Fletch]

:duh:

I don't see a whole lot coming out the other side.

:snicker:

[stuckincincy]

Things were much better when we all smoked cigarettes. We went outside, and settled differences over a calming, flavorful smoke. But then came the late '60's and the 70's, the "I gotta be me" crap, etc. And then the attack on cigs, despite the fact that all States rake in big cash on the sales - in OH, it's the 4th largest source of revenue. Talk about dripping hypocrisy...

Much of society today seems to be a collection of fragile little china dolls - and no doubt somebody out there is thinking that I just denigrated orientals. The slightest little thing enrages folks, it seems. I'm glad I've one foot in the grave - the future looks black. Oh - there I go again - I used the word "black", which might be an insult...

The poster Fletch writes his opinion. I agree with his, or disagree. AFAIK and as far as I've read, he follows the normal posting rules - don't personally attack unless attacked first. Most of us adhere to that. Many of us get a snoot full of whatever and make errant postings.

BFD.

All sports forums are opinion sites. None would thrive or even exist if there was unanimity of opinion.

Chill out on intolerance and simply scroll to the next post is your ire gets up.

[Fletch]

The poster Fletch writes his opinion. I agree with his, or disagree. AFAIK and as far as I've read, he follows the normal posting rules - don't personally attack unless attacked first.

Thanks for recognizing that.

I'm doing my best not to lower myself to those same attacks otherwise. I've done this since telling Lechter that I would make some changes in my posting about a month ago, and I have. Then he posts the above.

At some point you just have to laugh. I like your cigarette story.

Speaking of cigarettes, for some reason that reminded me of this, watch it if you want to laugh your brains out.

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[Dr. Lecter]

LMAO at the posters that thanked your post. All posters that get pet treatment from the mods, if they're not mods themselves.

Check out the last item in my sig. I mean if that doesn't sum it up.

It's funny, with one exception on that list, you let them all run rampant cluttering up the forum with personal petty agenda crap, then whine about the same thing that you say is coming from me when just about everything I post has to do with football.

Class act. LOL

If you want respect as mods and admin, earn it.

Well, I tried.

You really don't know as much as you think you do. You really don't know more about running these places than we do.

But continue to think you do.

As for respect, whether or not I (or any of us) have yours is really inconsequential to any of us.

[stuckincincy]

That was hilarious.

Here's one for you - a stellar performance by one of the legendary dance troupes - Hellzapoppin. For which some here might call me a racist. :p:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2f9dFrvBr4

[Dr. Lecter]

One more thing Fletch, about respect - you might get treated with some if you at least pretended to respect anybody here.

[Fletch]

Well, I tried.

You really don't know as much as you think you do. You really don't know more about running these places than we do.

But continue to think you do.

As for respect, whether or not I (or any of us) have yours is really inconsequential to any of us.

I have no idea what you tried, but I made a deal with you about a month ago and I've stuck to it. Unfortunately I haven't seen the other end of it.

I and others know what we see and don't see. We're not blind, dumb, and ingorant.

Using "we're just volunteers" as an excuse for not moderating evenly ... , well, I'll let you decide what that means. If it's really that difficult to moderate fairly, simple, don't volunteer. The irony here is that the posters that need moderation the most are your pets that you do nothing about when they perpetually violate your terms.

And likewise, and not trying to stir anything up, but I and others don't really care what a bunch of biased mods and admin think about us either. I think most people here are old enough to not have to give a crap what others think about them as long as they behave in a civil manner.

Those that perpetually opt not to behave in a civil manner say more about themselves than anyone else possibly can.

:peace:

[Fletch]

Now, is there anything team or organization related that we can discuss?

Talk about a dead horse.

[Fletch]

One more thing Fletch, about respect - you might get treated with some if you at least pretended to respect anybody here.

LOL

You can't be serious.

[Fletch]

One more thing Fletch, about respect - you might get treated with some if you at least pretended to respect anybody here.

By the way, I'll tell you what, forget everyone else. Find one post, just one, that has been disrespectful of you by me. Go ahead.

Good luck.

[stuckincincy]

By the way, I'll tell you what, forget everyone else. Find one post, just one, that has been disrespectful of you by me. Go ahead.

Good luck.

It's time to drop it and call it a night...log off before you post something stupid. Been there done that etc. :nod:

[Dr. Lecter]

I
Using "we're just volunteers" as an excuse for not moderating evenly ... , well, I'll let you decide what that means. If it's really that difficult to moderate fairly, simple, don't volunteer. The irony here is that the posters that need moderation the most are your pets that you do nothing about when they perpetually violate your terms.

And likewise, and not trying to stir anything up, but I and others don't really care what a bunch of biased mods and admin think about us either. I think most people here are old enough to not have to give a crap what others think about them as long as they behave in a civil manner.

Those that perpetually opt not to behave in a civil manner say more about themselves than anyone else possibly can.

:peace:

That's actually not what I said. Not even close. But I shouldn't have expected you to get it.

If you think the moderating here is so bad, feel free to find a board that has "fair" moderating. The funny thing is that a number of people here I consider friends I have dealt with in the past. Ask Coastal or Moonie.

And you certainly do seem to care. God knows you whine about it enough.

Regardless, you can continue on thinking that we're out to get you. We hate you and you alone.

You figured us out.

And yes - most people do, in fact behave in a civil manner with you.

In summary, you really know a hell of a lot less about what goes on here than you think you do.

But that's a trait with you, eh?

My only regret is actually letting you troll me into this again. I should know better. I've dealt with better and more skilled than your ilk in the past.

I shall not make that mistake again

[Fletch]

Regardless, you can continue on thinking that we're out to get you. We hate you and you alone.

You figured us out.

I have absolutely no idea where you get this stuff. Really.

To start, who's "we?" You know damn well that my issues with you and the mods has been regarding a very small number of posters. So now you ignore that out in public? Seriously?

LOL

Yeah, that fits my persona, paranoia. LOL



And yes - most people do, in fact behave in a civil manner with you.

Yes, most do. I haven't said a peep about any of them, have I? I've pointed out what, the same four or five posters in private, right. Most of them weren't even regarding content addressed to me but to others in the forum, so obviously it's not just me. You guys never answered my questions other than to just roll over and shout "volunteer."

I think you've been doing this so long that you've lost any perspective on reality due to friendships.

[Bill Cody]

LMAO at the posters that thanked your post. All posters that get pet treatment from the mods, if they're not mods themselves.

Check out the last item in my sig. I mean if that doesn't sum it up.

It's funny, with one exception on that list, you let them all run rampant cluttering up the forum with personal petty agenda crap, then whine about the same thing that you say is coming from me when just about everything I post has to do with football.

Class act. LOL

If you want respect as mods and admin, earn it.

lol now he's trolling the mods

[Dude]

C'mon, Fletch. Look at all your reported posts. This is just in the past month. Maybe the problem isn't us?

You're obviously passionate about the team. So just post about the team and loosen the panties a bit, OK? I guarantee you'll have way more fun that way.

[Bill Cody]

C'mon, Fletch. Look at all your reported posts. This is just in the past month. Maybe the problem isn't us?

You're obviously passionate about the team. So just post about the team and loosen the panties a bit, OK? I guarantee you'll have way more fun that way.

OMG seriously?:busted:

[Cntrygal]

Well... that screen shot encompasses less than a month.....

[GreedoII]

Since 1999.......

[Fletch]

lol now he's trolling the mods

LOL

Mods trolling Fletch.

Nice to see a good football discussion in the football forum though. LOL

Ya just gotta love it, you can't make this stuff up.

[Fletch]

C'mon, Fletch. Look at all your reported posts. This is just in the past month. Maybe the problem isn't us?

You're obviously passionate about the team. So just post about the team and loosen the panties a bit, OK? I guarantee you'll have way more fun that way.

WAH! We're just volunteers.

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You seem to have more than enough time to troll me incessantly and send me ridiculous PMs warning me without any terms of service violations that you can site whatsoever. Then this. LOL Seriously, you just can't make this stuff up.

Obviously you just pull out your own terms of service when it's convenient for you. In the future I'll just save a cut and paste menagerie of the posts from your buddies and cut and past them. It'll save some time, make the point perfectly, and provide extra fun during those slow times too.

[Dude]

I never realized that responding to your hundreds of reported posts that were nothing more than you being butthurt because someone didn't agree with your windbag opinions constituted incessant trolling.

My bad.

In the future try refraining from incessant abuse of the post reporting feature.

[pmoon6]

C'mon, Fletch. Look at all your reported posts. This is just in the past month. Maybe the problem isn't us?

You're obviously passionate about the team. So just post about the team and loosen the panties a bit, OK? I guarantee you'll have way more fun that way.Too funny. Interesting that he is calling out other people, especially the staff for being crybabies.

It looks like testosterone replacement therapy would benefit him greatly.

[swiper]

I don't see a whole lot coming out the other side.

:snicker:

That's because there's nothing in there.

[wolfpack]

Where have I seen this before?