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  • feldspar
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    • Mar 2007
    • 13620
    #1

    End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

    I don't get it.

    Since when can the officials take it upon themselves to review a play based on a penalty THAT WASN'T CALLED when there is under two minutes to play? I don't recall ever having seen that.

    So the Bucs are down by one-point with time running out. They make a twenty-yard pass play (or something like that) with about 12 seconds left as they line up for the next play. At that point, it would have been like a 37-yard fieldgoal attempt. Marvin Lewis throws a challenge flag, even though he is not allowed to do that under two minutes. This costs his team a timeout. During that process, I guess he somehow convinces the refs to review the play and check to see if there were 12 men on the field...there WAS 12 men on the field, but I didn't think a review could be based on a penalty or lack thereof.

    So the refs review the play and determine that there were 12 men on the field for the Bucs, and then throw a flag for that AFTER the review. That's the way I saw it...the Bucs were taken out of field goal range as a result, and it pretty much cost them the game. Why can't the refs review whether a hold happened or anything else in that circumstance?

    What am I missing?

    Also, I feel the Ravens got jobbed at the end of the game against the Chargers as well.
    Last edited by feldspar; 11-30-2014, 03:21 PM.
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  • YardRat
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    • Dec 2004
    • 86315
    #2
    Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

    12 men on the field is actually reviewable.
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    • feldspar
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      • Mar 2007
      • 13620
      #3
      Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

      Originally posted by YardRat View Post
      12 men on the field is actually reviewable.
      Why that and not other penalties?

      Makes no sense.

      But the thing here is that the Bengals didn't have any challenges left, yet they effectively got one. The refs were NOT going to review that play until the challenge flag was thrown. Again, the Bengals had no challenges within two minutes...nobody does. That's kind of the main point.
      Last edited by feldspar; 11-30-2014, 03:28 PM.
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      • imbondz
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        • Jan 2003
        • 26041
        #4
        Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

        Cuz the refs don't know what's going on.
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        • YardRat
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          • Dec 2004
          • 86315
          #5
          Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

          Originally posted by feldspar View Post
          Why that and not other penalties?

          Makes no sense.

          But the thing here is that the Bengals didn't have any challenges left, yet they effectively got one. The refs were NOT going to review that play until the challenge flag was thrown. Again, the Bengals had no challenges within two minutes...nobody does. That's kind of the main point.
          Don't know for sure, but I believe I read or heard somewhere because it's not a judgement call by the officials...there are either 12 men on the field, or not, and it's cut and dried.

          I can't answer the main point, I guess.
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          • feldspar
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            • Mar 2007
            • 13620
            #6
            Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

            Originally posted by YardRat View Post
            Don't know for sure, but I believe I read or heard somewhere because it's not a judgement call by the officials...there are either 12 men on the field, or not, and it's cut and dried.

            I can't answer the main point, I guess.
            Refs screwed up TWICE on the same play, really. No other explanation.

            Sure, "justice" was served...I wouldn't have as much of a problem with it had I not wanted the Bengals to lose. LOL. But still, the refs should not have had any reason to review that play.

            They clearly missed the fact that there were 12 men on the field, and the only reason they reviewed the play was because of the illegal challenge flag. In effect, Marvin Lewis challenged a play when it was against the rules for him to do so. That's the way I see it.

            I thought the Ravens got bent over more than that at the end of the Chargers game, though.

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            • Fixxxer
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              • Jul 2002
              • 676
              #7
              Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

              Lewis should have been penalized for throwing the flag under the 2' mark, much like Schwartz was when he was the Lions' HC.
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              • Owen DeBoard
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                • Sep 2007
                • 911
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                Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

                What about the Bozo ref that overturned the Bills second D touchdown. Im glad the game was already over score wise or that would've really made me mad.
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                • SquishDaFish
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                  • Jun 2005
                  • 17034
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                  Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

                  Originally posted by Fixxxer View Post
                  Lewis should have been penalized for throwing the flag under the 2' mark, much like Schwartz was when he was the Lions' HC.
                  They reviewed and changed that rule this offseason. Last year its a 15 yard penalty and 15 sec run off
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                  • Fletch
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                    • May 2007
                    • 3166
                    #10
                    Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

                    Yeah, and what about that bogus Henry Jones PI penalty in the end zone?

                    This just in, NFL officials suck. Always have.

                    Now we have reviews, ... and 3-1/2 hour games.
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                    • Fixxxer
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 676
                      #11
                      Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

                      Originally posted by SquishDaFish View Post
                      They reviewed and changed that rule this offseason. Last year its a 15 yard penalty and 15 sec run off
                      didn't know this, thanks for the update.

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                      • pmoon6
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                        • Dec 2002
                        • 21476
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                        Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

                        Originally posted by Owen DeBoard View Post
                        What about the Bozo ref that overturned the Bills second D touchdown. Im glad the game was already over score wise or that would've really made me mad.
                        Even Mike Carrey said it was a fumble/touchdown. Booger thought different. No way that was an incomplete pass.

                        However, they can't make Johnny Football look like a chump out of the gate. The NFL tries to protect a potential future superstar. Look what they do for Brady and Manning. They could have five 350 lb homeless guys playing on their respective O-Lines. Just teach them to hold to protect the girls and they make the Pro Bowl.
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                        • Night Train
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                          • Jul 2005
                          • 33117
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                          Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

                          We should have hired Lovie !

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                          • OpIv37
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                            • Sep 2002
                            • 101326
                            #14
                            Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

                            Originally posted by pmoon6 View Post
                            Even Mike Carrey said it was a fumble/touchdown. Booger thought different. No way that was an incomplete pass.

                            However, they can't make Johnny Football look like a chump out of the gate. The NFL tries to protect a potential future superstar. Look what they do for Brady and Manning. They could have five 350 lb homeless guys playing on their respective O-Lines. Just teach them to hold to protect the girls and they make the Pro Bowl.
                            I had the exact same thought. Despite all the success of our D this year, the NFL is willing to show them up to protect some punk kid who has proven nothing. But the Bills fans come out no matter what, and both the lovers and the haters transcend Cleveland. The money is in keeping the myth alive as long as possible and not in giving Kyle Williams his due.
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                            • imbondz
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                              • Jan 2003
                              • 26041
                              #15
                              Re: End of the Tampa Bay/Cincinnati

                              The end of this game is infuriating. Bengals losing totally helps us
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