Im growing tired of Clay-bo

[X-Era]

If you're trying to use the Bills as leverage take a hike.

Dear Bills, don't wait on him if other deals open up. He's not that special.

If he signs great. I'll be glad to have him. If he doesn't we can find other receiving TE options without that much trouble.

I don't consider him to have any impact on whether we were successful in free agency either way.

[DraftBoy]

They have to produce an offer sheet first. Thus far they haven't.

[YardRat]

Didn't want him then, don't want him now, or next week. He isn't worth the combined time, effort and money.

[Novacane]

I could take him or leave him.

[Thurmal]

At this point, with all the weapons we have on offense, it may be more prudent to sign a TE who is a blocking specialist. I've always liked Gresham too, if they're looking for another receiver.

[Night Train]

At this point, with all the weapons we have on offense, it may be more prudent to sign a TE who is a blocking specialist. I've always liked Gresham too, if they're looking for another receiver.

Let's trade for Lee Smith. :up:

Gray, Gragg and a draft pick is still better than Chandler.

[Scumbag College]

At this point, with all the weapons we have on offense, it may be more prudent to sign a TE who is a blocking specialist. I've always liked Gresham too, if they're looking for another receiver.

Yeah...I don't think there's a TE in the NFL that I'd rather have the ball in his hands vs. guys like Sammy, Harvin, McCoy, and Woods.

Get a blocking TE-dump off safety valve type.

[BillsImpossible]

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[Tatonka]

i actually really like what we saw from Gray last year. i thought he played well.

i will say that i think Clay is a very good player that will only get better in the next few years. i watched a lot of miami games because clay was my back up TE in fantasy,and he looked very good at time. that offense wasnt fun to watch, but hes a very athletic pass catcher.

[Mace]

i actually really like what we saw from Gray last year. i thought he played well.

i will say that i think Clay is a very good player that will only get better in the next few years. i watched a lot of miami games because clay was my back up TE in fantasy,and he looked very good at time. that offense wasnt fun to watch, but hes a very athletic pass catcher.

He really is, but he's not Tony Gonzalez in his prime, and the whole drawn out process of maneuvering for him like it was a crucial chess game kind of baffles me. By now I'm not sure what else they're waiting for unless they're in the process of outsmarting themselves shamefully about it because someones ego (can't imagine who), insists he's a must have.

[Scumbag College]

My only theory on this is that the Bills low balled him, he thought he'd get a big contract from Cleveland or Miami and that never happened...and now he's in limbo. With the money that we spend on him in cap space, we might be able to get starting competition at OG, OT, DB, and LB and DL depth. At this point I rather have that than a TE. If we are going to be "Ground and Pound" I rather have the game breakers like Sammy, Woods, and Harvin get those touches the 20-25 pass attempts that the Bills might have per game than a 260 lb. TE.

[Mace]

My only theory on this is that the Bills low balled him, he thought he'd get a big contract from Cleveland or Miami and that never happened...and now he's in limbo. With the money that we spend on him in cap space, we might be able to get starting competition at OG, OT, DB, and LB and DL depth. At this point I rather have that than a TE. If we are going to be "Ground and Pound" I rather have the game breakers like Sammy, Woods, and Harvin get those touches the 20-25 pass attempts that the Bills might have per game than a 260 lb. TE.

I haven't even heard they made him an offer. That would set the clock ticking on his transition tag.

[Scumbag College]

I haven't even heard they made him an offer. That would set the clock ticking on his transition tag.

I would think that that's the whole reason that he wasn't officially signed. He wasn't getting the big money that he thought he would be offered anywhere that he went. I'm sure they talked money in B-lo with Whaley and Co. and Clay's people, but if Clay signed on the dotted line with the Bills' low ball offer he's stuck in that contract with either Buffalo or Miami and can't shop himself around. It's pure conjecture and I have no insiders that deliver Chinese food to OBD that heard something. Just using my business senses.

[Jry44]

At this point the Bills should just make an offer regardless to at least make Miami pay more. If they decline, great. If they match, then so be it. I don't see Clay as a make or break player.

[Jry44]

I haven't even heard they made him an offer. That would set the clock ticking on his transition tag.

Vic Carucci reported earlier that no offer has been made yet. It's apparently coming tomorrow. Buffalo is basically negotiating a contract for clay for Miami right now.

[The Jokeman]

Vic Carucci reported earlier that no offer has been made yet. It's apparently coming tomorrow. Buffalo is basically negotiating a contract for clay for Miami right now.

To me if I'm the Bills I give him an offer that's going to make things difficult for the Dolphins long term so maybe give him a rather large signing bonus on a six or seven year deal. That way the Dolphins are stuck with him or his salary for a long time.

[Mr. Miyagi]

At this point I'm almost gearing up for the Bills pulling another surprise trade out of the hat and getting Dwayne Allen from Indy for a 4th round pick or something.

[Topas]

I dont know Allen. But trading with Indy is always a good idea :-)

[sudzy]

The only thing I can think of is the Bills are trying to clear more cap space so they can come up with a front loaded deal Miami can't match. Which means there is another move coming first. But, who?

[YardRat]

I haven't even heard they made him an offer. That would set the clock ticking on his transition tag.

Technically speaking, I think, they could have low-balled him and he hasn't signed the offer sheet. The clock doesn't start ticking until he actually pens his name.

[HHURRICANE]

Not sure why we had to cut Chandler?

[Jry44]

Not sure why we had to cut Chandler?

Because he wasn't very good. It was time.

[Jry44]

Technically speaking, I think, they could have low-balled him and he hasn't signed the offer sheet. The clock doesn't start ticking until he actually pens his name.

Miami offered him somewhere around $7 million on his offee sheet., so the Bills would have to offer at least a bit more.

[Night Train]

Miami offered him somewhere around $7 million on his offer sheet., so the Bills would have to offer at least a bit more.

Harvin gets 6 Mil and this guy is worth far more ? :rolleyes:

Allow me to snicker for a while.

[Jry44]

Harvin gets 6 Mil and this guy is worth far more ? :rolleyes:

Allow me to snicker for a while.

I completely agree..... I don't evee recall hearing teams having to game plan to stop Charles Clay. He's decent, but not worth upwards of $7.5 mill a year to me.

[Buckets]

Technically speaking, I think, they could have low-balled him and he hasn't signed the offer sheet. The clock doesn't start ticking until he actually pens his name.

That's what I heard, I don't know about the low ball part but I heard he got nan offer sheet but did not sign it because the clock starts at that point and he was waiting to see if there was any other interest in his services.

[better days]

I completely agree..... I don't evee recall hearing teams having to game plan to stop Charles Clay. He's decent, but not worth upwards of $7.5 mill a year to me.

If the Bills get Clay, in addition to him catching passes & picking up first downs, he will help spring McCoy & Harvin with his blocking.

That is his real value.

[X-Era]

Harvin gets 6 Mil and this guy is worth far more ? :rolleyes:

Allow me to snicker for a while.Harvin gets 6 because of off the field issues and injuries... His talent earned him 64 mill for 6 years not so long ago. He has talent at that level. Will he show it for the Bills or ever again? Who knows... That's why he got 1 yr 6 mill deal.

Clay has top 10 TE talent and the going rate (set by the teams willing to pay it) appears to be at the Cameron level which is 7.5 mill per.

[wmoz11]

It hurts me that people think that Chandler was anything but average as a receiving option and poor as a blocker. This offense would have magnified that. Roman needs a move tight end. Watch Clay highlights to see why we are so interested.

Not that I think we are going to get him anymore.

[YardRat]

Miami offered him somewhere around $7 million on his offee sheet., so the Bills would have to offer at least a bit more.

Granted, but 'low-balled' can be a perception...Buffalo may have had 'slightly more' on the offer sheet and it wasn't 'more enough' to pique Clay's interest.

[better days]

Granted, but 'low-balled' can be a perception...Buffalo may have had 'slightly more' on the offer sheet and it wasn't 'more enough' to pique Clay's interest.

Reports are the Bills did not have a finalized offer to give to Clay.

It is supposed to happen today.

[Mr. Miyagi]

It wouldn't surprise me that we were bluffing Miami on Clay so they'd scramble to clear their cap room to keep him as well as signing Cameron and now they're stuck with both of them, when all along we didn't really even want Clay.

[YardRat]

Reports are the Bills did not have a finalized offer to give to Clay.

It is supposed to happen today.

I have a hard time believing that considering the team knew exactly what their cap situation was, and exactly what the terms of Clay's tender is, that they couldn't be prepared to put a 'finalized' offer on the table for him, unless they are letting Miami's cap situation dictate what the offer is going to look like, which is very bad business.