why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

[kscdogbillsfan1221]

is it the overall lack of pressure
is it scheme?

i can't put my finger on this

thoughts?

[Night Train]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

Secondary is currently full of 2nd and 3 stringers...rookies

That's one obvious reason..

[Woodman]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

With Hyde out for the season, Poyer and White missing so much time has been to much to overcome.(Elam not in either)

We have some good backups and some not so good.

Exploitable sadly.

Hopefully Poyer can get into action soon and if we can add White back in we'll be much much better.

[DraftBoy]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

Injuries are certainly a contributing factor, but it's also not like our defense is cutting edge.

We pretty much play a base nickel cover 2 scheme which doesn't have a lot of variety in formation or exotic blitz concepts.

Give decent OC's enough time and they will scheme against it rather effectively.

That's why it's called bend but don't break.

[kgun12]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

Injuries are certainly a contributing factor, but it's also not like our defense is cutting edge.

We pretty much play a base nickel cover 2 scheme which doesn't have a lot of variety in formation or exotic blitz concepts.

Give decent OC's enough time and they will scheme against it rather effectively.

That's why it's called bend but don't break.

I agree with the first part and it’s the reason plays are effective. I gotta believe if Poyer is in there several of those longer throw to Jefferson either get defended or he intercepts one or two. Cousins doesn’t have the strongest arms and Poyer would get there.

[sukie]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

Injuries are certainly a contributing factor, but it's also not like our defense is cutting edge.

We pretty much play a base nickel cover 2 scheme which doesn't have a lot of variety in formation or exotic blitz concepts.

Give decent OC's enough time and they will scheme against it rather effectively.

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That's why it's called bend but don't break.

frazier employs a hybrid half field zone half man with them both being disguised at times. I think it just appears that the third down D is getting worse. Jefferson made it feel that way (oh that was fourth)

we were also missing Rousseau not being in there.

like it or not, Edmunds is a overpaid scarecrow in the middle. When he’s out there seem to be more middle shots as well.

[OpIv37]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

Injuries are certainly a contributing factor, but it's also not like our defense is cutting edge.

We pretty much play a base nickel cover 2 scheme which doesn't have a lot of variety in formation or exotic blitz concepts.

Give decent OC's enough time and they will scheme against it rather effectively.

That's why it's called bend but don't break.

But that comes back to the pass rush. the best cover 2 D's get pressure from the front 4. We were getting that earlier in the season, we aren't really getting that now.

[sukie]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

But that comes back to the pass rush. the best cover 2 D's get pressure from the front 4. We were getting that earlier in the season, we aren't really getting that now.

Again. Rousseau was missed. Also a four man rush doesn’t always do it against good Olines.

[notacon]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

It’s irrelevant. The losses are squarely on Josh Allen.

Each of the loses, the Bills had the ball, in their super star QB’s hands, with a clear chance to win.

He made boneheaded plays and failed hero ball.

The Miami and Minny game were the worst. One hopping a sure go ahead TD against Miami, the terrible INT in the red zone on the first drive, and the Minny game with three inexcusable turnovers. Both of the iNT’s IN MINNY’S END ZONE.

Both terrible, terrible throws that only the rawest bad rookies should guilty of.

Trying to place blame on the defense is ridiculous. It’s on Josh Allen, and why I started a thread that correctly states....

The Bills Have a QB Problem

[Woodman]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

But that comes back to the pass rush. the best cover 2 D's get pressure from the front 4. We were getting that earlier in the season, we aren't really getting that now.

reading too many press clippings.

[Woodman]

Re: why does the third down defense seem to be getting worse

Again. Rousseau was missed. Also a four man rush doesn’t always do it against good Olines.

Great point Minnesota has great OT's ....... Og's meh but at tackle they are as good as any and may just be the best tandem in the league today. Kirk Cousins is successful that tells you all that you need to know on that front.