Kirksey was just released

[Cali512]

6-2 235

124 tackles, 3 sacks, 7 tkfl, 2 ints. Plays MLB


Has a season of 150 tackles, 11 tkfl, 3 sacks

Get it done. He fits the style we like


https://youtu.be/0fRoQ3CobTE?si=MZqIVEpaHq5I23Nv

[Cali512]

https://youtu.be/8h3CtkSL4JE?si=tfbnN-7rokDGn8NI


Ive always loved this dude. Hes a top 15 ILB pretty much every year, hes played every position as a LB and can do it all. Would be a great signing right now

[sukie]

Can we afford him ?

[YardRat]

Poyer would have to take over play-calling.

[Cali512]

Poyer would have to take over play-calling.

For a game or two. But Kirksey has played in defenses similar to ours and would catch on quick


Right now, i think a one year 6-7 million could get it done. Let Bernard rest and see what we have next year. But Kirksey hasnt played on a contender in his life and would probably jump at the opportunity to take a pay cut for a chance to start on a contender

We could do so much worse, and right now we are. Kirksey is as solid a LB as we have available right now. Get that **** done

[Woodman]

There could be one name to already add to your list of players the Buffalo Bills (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/buffalo/) could sign with roster cut down day quickly approaching.

According to NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo (https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1696247224747827422), veteran linebacker Christian Kirksey (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/27599) was released by the Houston Texans (https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/houston/). For those who very intently follow the Bills, Kirksey is a name that’s been attached to Buffalo before.

During the 2020 free agency period, the Bills hosted Kirksey on a free-agent visit (https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/03/13/buffalo-bills-christian-kirksey-free-agent-visit/). That’s a clear sign of interest in the linebacker.

[Goobylal]

He's scheduled to meet with the Bills in the coming days.

[Turf]

Make it so.

[Oaf]

Why'd the Texans cut him, anyone know?

[Oaf]

He's scheduled to meet with the Bills in the coming days.


Says who?

[sukie]

Yeah I couldn’t find it either

[Woodman]

Why'd the Texans cut him, anyone know?

Kirksey’s release will save the team over $5 million in cap space.

[TigerJ]

Make a lot of sensse. His last contract was two years for 10 million. He would have been paid $5 million this season and will probably want something similar. Coming off a hamstring injury which is the primary reason Houston let him go.

[ghz in pittsburgh]

Buyers be aware. He's hurt almost all camp.
https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/houston-texans-53-man-roster-cutdown-day-christian-kirksey-demeco-ryans

[Woodman]

Grab him and PUP him if need be.

Vet minimum :idunno:

[Goobylal]

Says who?


Yeah I couldn’t find it either

https://twitter.com/Cover1/status/1696256508055417070?s=20

[TigerJ]

Buyers be aware. He's hurt almost all camp.
https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/houston-texans-53-man-roster-cutdown-day-christian-kirksey-demeco-ryansAs I said in my post, a hamstring pull. He might no be ready the first week, but it shouldn't be something that will keep him out the whole season. That's an assessment that the Bills' medical staff would have to make.

[Woodman]

We better be interested.

[Goobylal]

As I said in my post, a hamstring pull. He might no be ready the first week, but it shouldn't be something that will keep him out the whole season. That's an assessment that the Bills' medical staff would have to make.

He's healthy now.

[Oaf]

https://twitter.com/Cover1/status/1696256508055417070?s=20

Yo, do you read what you write? That tweet points to how they were interested a few years ago.

[Goobylal]

Yo, do you read what you write? That tweet points to how they were interested a few years ago.

Whoops. Still, I think he'll come in for a visit. It makes too much sense.

[Mr. Pink]

meh

Saw him play plenty in Cleveland. He's serviceable at best. Don't think he's really an upgrade for us.

[Cali512]

meh

Saw him play plenty in Cleveland. He's serviceable at best. Don't think he's really an upgrade for us.


He was a solid starter in cleveland? Had 150 tackles with 10 tkfl in one of those years

We arent going to have stars everywhere. Having a top 15 MLB is good enough right now because Dodson looks like hes a bottom 5

[notacon]

Buyers be aware. He's hurt almost all camp.
https://www.si.com/nfl/texans/news/houston-texans-53-man-roster-cutdown-day-christian-kirksey-demeco-ryans

I was just about to post that. He missed most of training camp with a “strained hamstring (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38278892/sources-texans-cut-veteran-cb-desmond-king-lb-christian-kirksey)”.

The Bills do not need a 31 year old (turns 31 years old this Thursday) who has a bad hammy. Picking up one of the worst teams in the NFL cast-offs is not a very good idea.

[Woodman]

So that means we probably will. :idunno:

[Cali512]

I was just about to post that. He missed most of training camp with a “strained hamstring (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38278892/sources-texans-cut-veteran-cb-desmond-king-lb-christian-kirksey)”.

The Bills do not need a 31 year old (turns 31 years old this Thursday) who has a bad hammy. Picking up one of the worst teams in the NFL cast-offs is not a very good idea.


Hes been better than edmunds his whole career, 31 isnt old for MLB, hed add a vet to a group that's extremely young grouping, he was cut because they signed a younger LB and wanted to save cap space, he played all 18 games last season, hes a starting caliber player, he chose to go to houston because at the time he was guaranteed a starting position there. Hes not a "castoff"

[Cali512]

If we took Edmunds best stateline from all his seasons its 121 tackles, 10 tkfl, 2 sacks, 2 interceptions. This is not one year, this is going through his whole career and taking his BEST stat from every important stateline a LB can have




Kirksey last season. 124 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 int, 7 tkfl


Kirksey has missed 9 games the last 3 seasons, Edmunds has missed 6

[notacon]

Hes been better than edmunds his whole career, 31 isnt old for MLB, hed add a vet to a group that's extremely young grouping, he was cut because they signed a younger LB and wanted to save cap space, he played all 18 games last season, hes a starting caliber player, he chose to go to houston because at the time he was guaranteed a starting position there. Hes not a "castoff"

:rofl: No, he hasn’t. Not even close!!!

How silly!!

[ParanoidAndroid]

He's certainly better than what we got. It shouldn't take much scratch and he'll be a backup for the first couple weeks.

[Cali512]

:rofl: No, he hasn’t. Not even close!!!

How silly!!

Back up your rebuttal because i made a solid case for why he is

[notacon]

Back up your rebuttal because i made a solid case for why he is

Please. I’m not going down the silly road once again. I’ve written so much about this over the years and you simply refuse to accept reality. That’s YOUR problem.

The Bills signed (at least it’s been reported) Kirksley to the PS. Take the win for you fawning over him.

But, what is undeniable, is that the NFL market has spoken. One of the worst teams in the NFL CUT him and if he’s willing to sign onto the Bills PS that means there is little interest in him, nor is he valued highly around the league.

As opposed to Edmunds signed to the biggest contract for a ILB in the NFL.

Again....money talks and bullcrap wails.

[sukie]

Compare stats not paychecks. Contracts don’t tackle for a loss.

[ParanoidAndroid]

The Citizens United decision by Justice Kennedy says money is speech.

The league has spoken.

Edmunds > Kirksey

[notacon]

If we took Edmunds best stateline from all his seasons its 121 tackles, 10 tkfl, 2 sacks, 2 interceptions. This is not one year, this is going through his whole career and taking his BEST stat from every important stateline a LB can have




Kirksey last season. 124 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 int, 7 tkfl


Kirksey has missed 9 games the last 3 seasons, Edmunds has missed 6


Compare stats not paychecks. Contracts don’t tackle for a loss.


Oh boy….just like I predicted the day Edmunds was signed by Chicago, the haters would keep on craping on him for years.

The use of tackles as THE stat to measure the value of a LB is deeply flawed to the point of irrelevance. It’s a lazy canard.

I explained it early this year….


“Stats” don’t win games or form a good defense. Extremely good players like Tremaine Edmunds DO. They do not grow on trees and are not cheap.

The “tackles” stat (the way some confused “fans” try to use it, as compared to other teams) is the most useless and irrelevant stat for defensive players. It is totally irrelvent how many tackles any Bills players have as compared to other teams’s players.

ALL that matters is how many tackles a Bills player has compared to other Bills players.

And Edmunds has led the team in tackles (avg per game....he had less tackles one season (2020, Poyer 124 for 16 games, Edmunds 119 in 15 games, because he played one less games) every single year in his career.

In 2022, he led the team in tackles over the #2 (Milano) despite playing two fewer games.

THAT is what matters. An no amount of cherry picking irrelevant stats will change that fact....the stat that reallymatters.


As for the useless stat that “Kirksey last season. 124 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 int, 7 tkfl”….

Last season, Kirksey did have 124 tackles as compared to Edmunds 102.

The FACT left out is that Kirksey was on the field for a whopping 1,141 snaps (because the Houston defense sucked) as compared to Edmunds 760.

Yeah, Kirksey had FIFTY PERCENT MORE SNAPS!!! DUH!!!....Yeah…OF COURSE he is going to have more tackles.

But it’s even worse. Kisksey was NOT the player with the most tackles on Houston’s beleaguered defense in 2022.

He was THIRD, behind TWO SAFETIES, Jalen Pitre (147 tackles) and Jonathan Owens (125). (If my memory serves, some haters tired to crap on Edmunds because S Poyer was close to him in tackles most years :rofl:)

As noted above…

“The “tackles” stat (the way some confused “fans” try to use it, as compared to other teams) is the most useless and irrelevant stat for defensive players. It is totally irrelevant how many tackles any Bills players have as compared to other team’s players.

ALL that matters is how many tackles a Bills player has compared to other Bills players.”

Edmunds was the #1 tackler for the Bills every year he was on the team (avg per game....he had less tackles one season…2020, Poyer 124 for 16 games, Edmunds 119 in 15 games, because he played one less games)

How many times was Kirksey the #1 tackler on the team he was playing for????

ONCE.

In 2016, when he played 99.82% of the snaps he was on the defensive field for (again because of Cleveland TERRIBLE defense that was #31 of 32 teams in average yards allowed) 148 tackles.

Like I said….the lame use of the tackles stats, without context, is irrelevant and very misleading.

The rank of Kirksey’s tackles on THE TEAM HE WAS PLAYING on, and the percentage of snaps, tells the full story….


<tbody>
Year
Rank
Team
# T
%Snaps


2022
3rd
HOU
124
97.35%


2021
3rd
HOU
93
68.73%


2020
3rd
GB
78
53.86%


2019
23rd
CLE
11
10.47%


2018
11th
CLE
43
40.27%


2017
2nd
CLE
138
100%


2016
1st
CLE
148
99.82%


2015
4th
CLE
63
54.15%


2014
4th
CLE
81
58.56%

</tbody>


Compare the same criteria to Edmunds 5 years in Buffalo….


<tbody>
Year
Rank
Team
# T
%Snaps


2022
1st
BUF
102
72.31%%


2021
1st
BUF
108
80.98%%


2020
2nd*
BUF
119
85.06%%


2019
1st
BUF
115
94.69%%


2018
1st
BUF
121
91.32%

</tbody>

*Edmunds was #1 in average tackles per game.

Paychecks REFLECT value based, in part, on “stats”.

NFL teams pay MORE for players that preform at a consistent high level, and LESS for those that do not perform at an equally consistent high level.

Money talks and bullcrap walks.

[sukie]

Poyer 124 tackles 91 solo led the bills. Even with edmunds missing one game he still loses the crown. Unless he has 23 tackles in that missing game.

That was 2020
but then again stats don’t matter.

2019. Statistically Edmunds best he was a statistical force. Losing only solo tackles to Poyer.

1.5 sacks. 10 tackles for loss, a safety, 1 int and 4 QB hits,

the numbers regressed other than tackles leading other bills.

his passes defended numbers sucked. So unless he was a giant scarecrow against passes his way… he can be replaced.

[Canadian'eh!]

Im willing to beg that Edmunds gets cut long before his deal expires.

[sukie]

Im willing to beg that Edmunds gets cut long before his deal expires.

He will quit once the HoF is assured…. 2 years tops.

[notacon]

Poyer 124 tackles 91 solo led the bills. Even with edmunds missing one game he still loses the crown. Unless he has 23 tackles in that missing game.

That was 2020
but then again stats don’t matter.

2019. Statistically Edmunds best he was a statistical force. Losing only solo tackles to Poyer.

1.5 sacks. 10 tackles for loss, a safety, 1 int and 4 QB hits,

the numbers regressed other than tackles leading other bills.

his passes defended numbers sucked. So unless he was a giant scarecrow against passes his way… he can be replaced.

FALSE. Jesus. The metric is total tackles. In 2020 Poyer had 124 in 16 games. Edmunds had 119 in 15 games. That’s an avg of 7.75 per game for Poyer and 7.93 avg per game for Edmunds.

Cali is the one who brought up and misused the 2022 stats comparing Kirksey and Edmunds. And you backed him up.

Stats are NOT the whole determination of a players value. Edmunds hardly ever blitzed...Poyer and Milano did. Milano being the weak side LB that makes sense.

Much of Edmunds extreme value NEVER comes up on the stat sheet....the passes that are not even attempted because he’s in the middle with being so big, so tall, long arms with speed and quickness.

It’s so sad that so-called Bills “fans” feel the need to **** on extremely good player. NFL professionals know the truth and their opinion is exponentially MORE valuable than some sour puss “fans” that know a LOT less about football than they think they do.

It is almost a given that if any of the haters expressed some of the total inane crapping on Edmunds to ANY NFL professional, they would laugh in your face and shake their heads over such arrogate ignorance.

[notacon]

Im willing to beg that Edmunds gets cut long before his deal expires.

I’ll bet you $1,000.

That means he is CUT, not traded. And since you set the metric of “long before his deal expires”. His deal is over after the 2026 season. So “long before” would mean at LEAST less than half way through, or BEFORE the 2025 season starts.

And I’m being generous...because “long before his deal expires” should mean after THIS season.

We on???

[sukie]

FALSE. Jesus. The metric is total tackles. In 2020 Poyer had 124 in 16 games. Edmunds had 119 in 15 games. That’s an avg of 7.75 per game for Poyer and 7.93 avg per game for Edmunds.

Cali is the one who brought up and misused the 2022 stats comparing Kirksey and Edmunds. And you backed him up.

Stats are NOT the whole determination of a players value. Edmunds hardly ever blitzed...Poyer and Milano did. Milano being the weak side LB that makes sense.

Much of Edmunds extreme value NEVER comes up on the stat sheet....the passes that are not even attempted because he’s in the middle with being so big, so tall, long arms with speed and quickness.

It’s so sad that so-called Bills “fans” feel the need to **** on extremely good player. NFL professionals know the truth and their opinion is exponentially MORE valuable than some sour puss “fans” that know a LOT less about football than they think they do.

It is almost a given that if any of the haters expressed some of the total inane crapping on Edmunds to ANY NFL professional, they would laugh in your face and shake their heads over such arrogate ignorance.
Metric is total tackles but you cannot take average and add it . It’s a variable . Poyer’s solo tackles were way higher probably due to Edmunds whiffing. We just don’t know. He lost the crown that year. Admit it. Metric isn’t average per game.

you were either wring or lied.

[Cali512]

Oh boy….just like I predicted the day Edmunds was signed by Chicago, the haters would keep on craping on him for years.

The use of tackles as THE stat to measure the value of a LB is deeply flawed to the point of irrelevance. It’s a lazy canard.

I explained it early this year….




As for the useless stat that “Kirksey last season. 124 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 int, 7 tkfl”….

Last season, Kirksey did have 124 tackles as compared to Edmunds 102.

The FACT left out is that Kirksey was on the field for a whopping 1,141 snaps (because the Houston defense sucked) as compared to Edmunds 760.

Yeah, Kirksey had FIFTY PERCENT MORE SNAPS!!! DUH!!!....Yeah…OF COURSE he is going to have more tackles.

But it’s even worse. Kisksey was NOT the player with the most tackles on Houston’s beleaguered defense in 2022.

He was THIRD, behind TWO SAFETIES, Jalen Pitre (147 tackles) and Jonathan Owens (125). (If my memory serves, some haters tired to crap on Edmunds because S Poyer was close to him in tackles most years :rofl:)

As noted above…

“The “tackles” stat (the way some confused “fans” try to use it, as compared to other teams) is the most useless and irrelevant stat for defensive players. It is totally irrelevant how many tackles any Bills players have as compared to other team’s players.

ALL that matters is how many tackles a Bills player has compared to other Bills players.”

Edmunds was the #1 tackler for the Bills every year he was on the team (avg per game....he had less tackles one season…2020, Poyer 124 for 16 games, Edmunds 119 in 15 games, because he played one less games)

How many times was Kirksey the #1 tackler on the team he was playing for????

ONCE.

In 2016, when he played 99.82% of the snaps he was on the defensive field for (again because of Cleveland TERRIBLE defense that was #31 of 32 teams in average yards allowed) 148 tackles.

Like I said….the lame use of the tackles stats, without context, is irrelevant and very misleading.

The rank of Kirksey’s tackles on THE TEAM HE WAS PLAYING on, and the percentage of snaps, tells the full story….


<tbody>
Year
Rank
Team
# T
%Snaps


2022
3rd
HOU
124
97.35%


2021
3rd
HOU
93
68.73%


2020
3rd
GB
78
53.86%


2019
23rd
CLE
11
10.47%


2018
11th
CLE
43
40.27%


2017
2nd
CLE
138
100%


2016
1st
CLE
148
99.82%


2015
4th
CLE
63
54.15%


2014
4th
CLE
81
58.56%

</tbody>


Compare the same criteria to Edmunds 5 years in Buffalo….


<tbody>
Year
Rank
Team
# T
%Snaps


2022
1st
BUF
102
72.31%%


2021
1st
BUF
108
80.98%%


2020
2nd*
BUF
119
85.06%%


2019
1st
BUF
115
94.69%%


2018
1st
BUF
121
91.32%

</tbody>

*Edmunds was #1 in average tackles per game.

Paychecks REFLECT value based, in part, on “stats”.

NFL teams pay MORE for players that preform at a consistent high level, and LESS for those that do not perform at an equally consistent high level.

Money talks and bullcrap walks.


Fair

[Canadian'eh!]

I’ll bet you $1,000.

That means he is CUT, not traded. And since you set the metric of “long before his deal expires”. His deal is over after the 2026 season. So “long before” would mean at LEAST less than half way through, or BEFORE the 2025 season starts.

And I’m being generous...because “long before his deal expires” should mean after THIS season.

We on???

lol. No. We aren’t. But look at how many hedges you needed to add.

[Woodman]

19850

[notacon]

lol. No. We aren’t. But look at how many hedges you needed to add.

:rofl: They are not ”hedges”....how lame. They are parameters of a proposed bet...that YOU brought up.

Try and place a bet at any sports bookie without specific parameters.

[notacon]

Metric is total tackles but you cannot take average and add it . It’s a variable . Poyer’s solo tackles were way higher probably due to Edmunds whiffing. We just don’t know. He lost the crown that year. Admit it. Metric isn’t average per game.

you were either wring or lied.

Jesus sukie....give it up. This trolling is bordering on the absurd.

Just like I predicted, the Edmunds hatred would go on for years within a select group of so-called Bills “fans”.

They haven’t come up with much of substance except that they and ONLY they are smarter than all the professional NFL experts within the league and in the media.

This headline from 2 years ago captures the lunacy….and the article is just as accurate today as then.

Why can’t Tremaine Edmunds win over Bills fans when he’s viewed as a special player outside of Buffalo? (https://theathletic.com/2875908/2021/10/08/why-cant-tremaine-edmunds-win-over-bills-fans-when-hes-viewed-as-a-special-player-outside-of-buffalo/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983)

[sukie]

I don’t hate Edmunds just not sorry he’s gone.

jesus cripes why not every single other statistic he wasn’t sniffing 1st as a linebacker? Oh I forgot. 50 former unnamed assistant trainers and jr scouts love him.

I like stats but of course the minute his stats are looked at the Edmunds licker would come out and whine just like I predicted 842 times before. After you voice mail Joe B look it up.

[notacon]

I don’t hate Edmunds just not sorry he’s gone.

jesus cripes why not every single other statistic he wasn’t sniffing 1st as a linebacker? Oh I forgot. 50 former unnamed assistant trainers and jr scouts love him.

I like stats but of course the minute his stats are looked at the Edmunds licker would come out and whine just like I predicted 842 times before. After you voice mail Joe B look it up.

Except you post exactly like a “hater”.

I don’t buy your distinction.

I am very sorry that he’s gone as every knowledgeable football fan should be when losing one of the best LB’s in the NFL.

[sukie]

I post stats. You appeal to authority.

[YardRat]

:rofl: They are not ”hedges”....how lame. They are parameters of a proposed bet...that YOU brought up.

Try and place a bet at any sports bookie without specific parameters.


Then come up with a simple over/under like a sports book would instead of plugging in a bunch of idiotic qualifiers.

[sukie]

What year was Edmunds voted first of second team All Pro. I see Milano…

[notacon]

Then come up with a simple over/under like a sports book would instead of plugging in a bunch of idiotic qualifiers.

I already did. You on for $1,000???

[notacon]

I post stats. You appeal to authority.

Except I DID post (http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php/263723-Kirksey-was-just-released?p=5039745&viewfull=1#post5039745) “stats”.

Stats that matter in full context.

[sukie]

Passes defended? TFL? QB hits? Edmunds led in those LB categories?

[YardRat]

I already did. You on for $1,000???

I don't bet money with strangers on the internet.

I'll make an avatar bet that he isn't a Chicago Bear for the '26 season. Loser sports an avatar chosen by the winner for the '26 regular season.

Take it or leave it.

[Canadian'eh!]

Then come up with a simple over/under like a sports book would instead of plugging in a bunch of idiotic qualifiers.
I'd "bet" (I don't have $1000 to bet on anything) that he is not on that team beyond 3 years. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's cut after 2.

[notacon]

I don't bet money with strangers on the internet.

I'll make an avatar bet that he isn't a Chicago Bear for the '26 season. Loser sports an avatar chosen by the winner for the '26 regular season.

Take it or leave it.

I don’t bet money on anything. The offer was rhetorical.

But, I DO have better stakes.

If Edmunds is not on the 2026 Bears roster you can choose my avatar for the ’26 regular season.

If Edmunds IS on the Bears 2026 roster, you resign from being an Admin.

Take it or leave THAT!

[notacon]

I'd "bet" (I don't have $1000 to bet on anything) that he is not on that team beyond 3 years. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's cut after 2.

So, now you have completely changed your prediction.....from "Im willing to beg that Edmunds gets cut long before his deal expires.” to he is "not on that team beyond 3 years” when he is on a 4 year deal.

Nothing like tap dancing away a silly post. :rofl: