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Sparda
12-09-2003, 10:10 AM
Better the more to break it down to see a more clearer perspective of a list so we all know 1st hand thee good apples to the good ones in one list:

:feedback: :nerd2:

UFA's - Unrestricted Free Agents = RFA's - Ristricted Free Agents.

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FA QB's
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UFA's

1) ***Peyton Manning***
2) Doug Johnson
3) Shaun King

RFA's

1) Sage Rosenfels
2) Mike McMahon
3) ***Marc Bulger***

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FA RB's
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UFA's

1) Kevin Faulk
2) Stacey Mack

RFA's

1) ***Rudi Johnson***
2) Dominic Rhodes
3) Correll Buckhalter
4) ***Kevan Barlow***

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FA FB's
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UFA's

1) ***Greg Comella***
2) ***Reuben Droughns***
3) Stanley Pritchett
4) Terrelle Smith


RFA's

1) Moran Norris
2) Bryan Johnson
3) Nick Goings
4) Jameel Cook

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FA WR's
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UFA's

1) J.J Stokes
2) Marcus Robinson
3) Chris Doering
4) ***Terrell Owens***
5) Tai Streets
6) ***Darrell Jackson***

RFA's

1) Andre King
2) Eddie Berlin
3) Darnerien McCants
4) ***Steve Smith***

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FA TE's
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UFA's

1) ***Erron Kinney***
2) ***Jim Kleinsasser***

RFA's

1) ***Jabari Holloway***
2) Shad Meier
3) ***Boo Williams***
4) Eric Johnson

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FA OG's
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UFA's

1) Mike Goff
2) ***Chris Villarrial***
3) Eric Beverly
4) ***Cosey Coleman***

RFA's

1) Casey Rabach
2) Steve Herndon
3) Roberto Garza

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FA OT's
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UFA's

1) Greg Randall
2) Leander Jordan
3) ***John Tait***
4) ***Damion McIntosh***
5) Chad Clifton
6) L.J. Shelton
7) ***Orlando Pace***
8) John St. Clair
9) ***Walter Jones***

RFA's

1) Ryan Diem
2) Mike Gandy
3) ***Floyd Womack***

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FA C's
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UFA's

1) ***Damien Woody***
2) Mike Flynn
3) Gennaro DiNapoli
4) Chris Bober
5) Jerry Fontenot

RFA's

1) Matt Lehr

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FA DT's
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UFA's

1) Kendrick Clancy
2) ***Keith Traylor***
3) Kelvin Pritchett
4) ***Warren Sapp***

RFA's

1) Kelly Gregg
2) ***Robaire Smith***
3) Eric Downing
4) Kenny Smith
5) Marcus Bell

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FA DE's
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UFA's

1) ***Jevon Kearse***
2) Bert Berry
3) ***Grant Wistrom***
4) ***Eric Hicks***

RFA's

1) ***Adewale Ogunleye***
2) Bryce Fisher

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FA LB's
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UFA's

1) Marcus Washington
2) ***Ian Gold***
3) ***Brandon Short***
4) ***Nate Webster***
5) ***Julian Peterson***

RFA's

1) Morlon Greenwood
2) Zeke Moreno
3) ***Torrance Marshall***
4) ***Sedrick Hodge***
5) Orlando Huff

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FA CB's
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UFA's

1) ***Chris McAlister***
2) James Trapp
3) ***Fernando Bryant***
4) ***Charles Woodson***
5) Troy Vincent
6) ***Champ Bailey***
7) Bobby Taylor
8) David Barrett
9) Fred Weary
10) ***Ahmed Plummer***
11) Jason Webster
12) ***Shawn Springs***

RFA's

1) ***Will Peterson***
2) Jerametrius Butler

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FA S's
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UFA's

1) Arturo Freeman
2) Greg Wesley
3) ***Mike Green***
4) Antuan Edwards
5) ***Keion Carpenter***
6) Rich Coady
7) Jason Sehorn

RFA's

1) Jason Doering
2) ***Donovin Darius***
3) ***Adrian Wilson***

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FA K's
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UFA's

1) ***Matt Stover***

RFA's

1) ***Jay Feely***
2) Bill Gramatica
3) Owen Pochman

R. Rich
12-09-2003, 10:12 AM
Don't forget that there will be some good players available after June 1st also.

Sparda
12-09-2003, 10:14 AM
Oh I won't rich, that's a promise man.

When that happens I will be all over it like cream cheese to be posted here on billszone.com forums. Never fear.

:shout: :beer:

Earthquake Enyart
12-09-2003, 10:30 AM
Wow. Look at all the UFA CB's. No wonder TD is in no hurry to re-up Winfield.

All 5 of those UFA C's are way better than what we have now.

venis2k1
12-09-2003, 10:34 AM
Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
All 5 of those UFA C's are way better than what we have now.

and prolly much, much cheaper.

R. Rich
12-09-2003, 10:52 AM
Originally posted by Sparda
Better the more to break it down to see a more clearer perspective of a list so we all know 1st hand thee good apples to the good ones in one list:

:feedback: :nerd2:

UFA's - Unrestricted Free Agents = RFA's - Ristricted Free Agents.

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FA C's
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UFA's

1) ***Damien Woody***
2) Mike Flynn
3) Gennaro DiNapoli
4) Chris Bober
5) Jerry Fontenot

RFA's

1) Matt Lehr

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FA DE's
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UFA's

1) ***Jevon Kearse***
2) Bert Berry
3) ***Grant Wistrom***
4) ***Eric Hicks***

RFA's

1) ***Adewale Ogunleye***
2) Bryce Fisher

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FA S's
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UFA's

1) Arturo Freeman
2) Greg Wesley
3) ***Mike Green***
4) Antuan Edwards
5) ***Keion Carpenter***
6) Rich Coady
7) Jason Sehorn

RFA's

1) Jason Doering
2) ***Donovin Darius***
3) ***Adrian Wilson***



I think Brock Guiterrez is as good a candidate at center as Bober or Fontenot and I know Cory Withrow is as good a candidate, if not better.

At DE, I would include James Hall of Detroit as a candidate also.

At S, there's some nice choices there in the RFAs. I wouldn't mind seeing Adrian Wilson here. He's been okay in Arizona, especially since they went out and picked up Jackson from Tampa Bay. I also like Darius, though he would be pricey. Antuan Edwards wouldn't be a bad choice, same with Mike Green (might also be pricey).

Ebenezer
12-09-2003, 10:55 AM
QB-Not getting help there.
RB-No need for help there.
FB-Resign Gash
WR-Darrell Jackson
G, T, TE-no need to sign anybody
C-Get any of the five

DE-Jevon Kearse
LB-Don't need help
CB-resign Winfield
S-no thanks

Mr. Miyagi
12-09-2003, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Ebenezer
QB-Not getting help there.
RB-No need for help there.
FB-Resign Gash
WR-Darrell Jackson
G, T, TE-no need to sign anybody
C-Get any of the five

DE-Jevon Kearse
LB-Don't need help
CB-resign Winfield
S-no thanks
I agree, except I wouldn't mind getting Tai Streets at WR either.
Lindell is fine too. Stover isn't much of an upgrade.

BAM
12-09-2003, 11:05 AM
Lindell is a bum. Kick him to the curb!

R. Rich
12-09-2003, 11:05 AM
Originally posted by Ebenezer
C-Get any of the five

DE-Jevon Kearse
CB-resign Winfield
S-no thanks

Given those choices, I'd still go outside those five and go after Withrow. It gives us a good center who has starting experience at 3 OL positions and frees up $ to go after a pass rusher and another WR (I'd wait to see what comes out of the June 1st cuts for WR).

Kearse would be automatic were it not for the injuries and the extrememly high price he'll command. We can find a less expensive option that will be productive elsewhere.

I don't know why you don't think there aren't good safety prospects in this list. I'm not saying we have to get one, but there are good choices there if they're not too expensive. Of course, I'd rather see us draft Sean Taylor, but that's becoming more of a pipe dream with our 6-7 record. He'll be a top 10 pick and right now, we're not in the top 10.

Mr. Miyagi
12-09-2003, 11:10 AM
Kearse will probably be tagged. I'll take Hicks at DE.

Ebenezer
12-09-2003, 11:12 AM
Originally posted by R. Rich
Kearse would be automatic were it not for the injuries and the extrememly high price he'll command. We can find a less expensive option that will be productive elsewhere.

I don't know why you don't think there aren't good safety prospects in this list. I'm not saying we have to get one, but there are good choices there if they're not too expensive. Of course, I'd rather see us draft Sean Taylor, but that's becoming more of a pipe dream with our 6-7 record. He'll be a top 10 pick and right now, we're not in the top 10.

I agree on Kearse...my only point with the safety was that I didn't think it was a priority...other position in need of great help.

R. Rich
12-09-2003, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by Ebenezer
I agree on Kearse...my only point with the safety was that I didn't think it was a priority...other position in need of great help.


True, but ...

IF (and it's a really big IF) you could use your top pick on Sean Taylor, you should do it. Why? He's the best athlete in the draft! There's NO offensive lineman worthy of a pick high enough to acquire Taylor. Not when you compare the OL to Taylor; no way!! Plus, we can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 & 3. Guys like Stephen Peterman and Chris Kemoeatu (I've been very high on these 2 and I would LOVE to see one/both of them in Buffalo next year!!) will be there and are excellent options.

Ebenezer
12-09-2003, 11:25 AM
I don't think we will have a pick high enough to get Taylor...but I would seriously consider him.

BillsOverDolphins
12-09-2003, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Ebenezer
I don't think we will have a pick high enough to get Taylor...but I would seriously consider him.
I'd bet money he ends up with the Jets:grind:

R. Rich
12-09-2003, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by BillsOverDolphins
I'd bet money he ends up with the Jets:grind:

Jets or Giants, possibly. Damn!

Tatonka
12-09-2003, 11:45 AM
while i have said all along that kearse would not be worth the price.. and has been injured some.. could you imagine the excitement that would surround that guy if he came in here... i mean.. when healthy, he is a top flight DE.. a guy that could get 20 sacks in a season on a team like ours..

i know it is not realistic.. but if there was some way to sign him and also get a guy like d. jackson and resign winfield.. along with promoting les steckle and signing someone like saben or ferentz.. and then being lucky enough to draft sean taylor and chad lavalais and phillip rivers.. oh god..

i dont know if i could actually contain my excitement.. i may actually combust while listening to the press confrence, and miss the super bowl.

Brack733
12-09-2003, 11:51 AM
I hope we pick up Kleinsasser, he's a pretty solid player with a mean streak

Earthquake Enyart
12-09-2003, 11:54 AM
I like Wistrom better than Kearse. Wistrom plays every play.

I like Woody too. :up:

Brack733
12-09-2003, 11:57 AM
Wistrom is good, but I see him wanting a big contract, which I'm not convinced he's worth. I certainly am not sold on Kearse, who may be one of the most injury prone players in the league and likely to miss significant time with injuries for all the money he'll want. He would bring a dynamism though which is appealing, and I would be excited if he came, but I'd be wary as well.

justasportsfan
12-09-2003, 03:10 PM
If Moore and Campbell don't get any better , we may need another TE especially if Drew is the qb. drews short game isn't working with our wr's . A TE who can easily outmatch safeties (like Coats way back when ) would be a huge help for Drew up the middle or 10-20 yards out and Moulds can take off and stretch the field.

I think a great TE would be far more important than another wr.

justasportsfan
12-09-2003, 03:11 PM
Oh and yeah, Gonzo was Drews favorite target at the probowl.

Mr. Miyagi
12-09-2003, 03:15 PM
They just extended Campbell's contract. I doubt we'll get another TE.

And forget about Kearse. Defense is not our problem.

The Spaz
12-09-2003, 03:25 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi
They just extended Campbell's contract. I doubt we'll get another TE.

And forget about Kearse. Defense is not our problem.

Getting pressure by just using our front 4 is a problem though.

R. Rich
12-09-2003, 03:53 PM
If we're able to address the interior of the offensive line in the draft (and I think we certainly can), then we can focus on improving our pass rush in free agency by getting a real good pass rusher (maybe Eric Hicks?). We also will have some pretty good candidates out there at center to choose from (Woody, Flynn, Withrow, DiNapoli, etc.) that should be able to come in and start immediately. From there, we just need to go after help at TE, WR (I think this can be done after the June 1st cap cuts), and the secondary (whether we re-sign Antoine or go after someone else).

HenryRules
12-09-2003, 07:15 PM
Originally posted by Brack733
I hope we pick up Kleinsasser, he's a pretty solid player with a mean streak

I was thinking the same thing.

Tatonka
12-09-2003, 09:51 PM
i really have not seen anything from hicks.. and i have watched ALOT of friggin chiefs games, because i have priest on a ff team... i also watch alot of denver games.. and neither of their DEs are appealing..

i want a guy that is DOMINANT.. the only guy out there that has the POTENTIAL to be dominant is kearse.. that is it..

winstrom is essentially Schobel... and he is also what denny and kelsay will/should become.. i am not ready to say that denny is just worthless yet.. i am willing to give the kid the extent of his contract. kelsay is just a rookie who i can promise will get better.. how much remains to be seen.

the bottom line is though, that we need a dominant pass rusher to make schobel better and to help us get good pressure with a 4 man line, like miami does.. and the only person in the draft or free agency that can do that is kearse, when healthy of coarse..

let me ask this.. other than his ankle injury that he has been dealing with last year till this year.. what other injuries has he had? just wondering if most of his time missed has just been recently.. how many games did he miss in his first 3 years?

maybe i will look it up..

Tatonka
12-09-2003, 09:53 PM
Originally posted by Brack733
I hope we pick up Kleinsasser, he's a pretty solid player with a mean streak

not that it matters.. but kleinsasser might actually be the ugliest man to ever walk the face of the earth.. he is looks like the love child of rob brindimore and daryl talley, who then got tossed into the machine that turned jeff goldbloom into the fly... except he got stuck in there with a rat.

Earthquake Enyart
12-10-2003, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by Tatonka
.. he is looks like the love child of rob brindimore and daryl talley, who then got tossed into the machine that turned jeff goldbloom into the fly... except he got stuck in there with a rat.

:rofl:

Once again, people......WE DON"T NEED A TE!!!!

Dozerdog
12-10-2003, 07:11 AM
http://www.kfan.com/vikings/players/kleinsasser_jim.jpg

I agree with EE on the TE thing- but he's also played FB- if we don't sign Gash back he'd be an option for a blocking FB

HenryRules
12-10-2003, 07:28 AM
Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart


:rofl:

Once again, people......WE DON"T NEED A TE!!!!

Yes we do ... Campbell and Moore suck

ryven
12-10-2003, 07:56 AM
wouldnt go as far as saying they suck but they aren't the best. Didn't we have boo williams in buffalo not to long ago?

The Spaz
12-10-2003, 08:04 AM
Acording to NFL.com Boo Williams has always played for the Saints. Besides he isn't very consistent he started out last year on fire and hasn't done anything until a few weeks ago.

venis2k1
12-10-2003, 08:43 AM
dave moore is old, i wouldnt be supprised if this is his last year.

justasportsfan
12-10-2003, 09:56 AM
Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi

And forget about Kearse. Defense is not our problem.

Having a no. 1 or no. 2 D isn't gonna achieve anything. See Bills and cowboys (they aren't going anywhere either). Your D has to be as dominating as the ravens D that won the Sb and last years bucs.

We are ranked no. 2 but are at the bottom in takeaways. It's a given that our O sucked but we would've had a better record if our D was able to creat more turnovers. Pressuring the qb will do that.

I'm still a firm believer that having a dominant D will win sb's. If in case the next HC (? ) OC can't do anything with Drew next year, if we have a D that can score, we'll be okay.

justasportsfan
12-10-2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart




Once again, people......WE DON"T NEED A TE!!!! with Drew at qb, I say we do. Cambell has been awsome blocking for Drew but for someone his size, he isn't dominating any safeties or db's like Shockey and Gonzo do. Drew needs another outlet. Having another TE who's a weapon will free up Moulds. A wr could do that too, are there any prvoven speedsters out there that can catch? If it's speed you want Brown has it but like I said , can he catch?

Now that we are throwing for short gains, it's too bad that we don't have a Riemersma during his peak. Drew would've loved him. Last year was last year, Gilbride was always looking to go deep.

Earthquake Enyart
12-10-2003, 10:06 AM
:mad:

justasportsfan
12-10-2003, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Earthquake Enyart
:mad:

Dreeeeewwwww!!!! :D

Tatonka
12-10-2003, 03:34 PM
i have a tight end.

Voltron
12-10-2003, 04:51 PM
Funny tatonka, I heard you were a wide reciever!

:snicker:

:jk:

Tatonka
12-10-2003, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by Voltron
Funny tatonka, I heard you were a wide reciever!

:snicker:

:jk:

:mad:

HenryRules
12-10-2003, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by ryven
wouldnt go as far as saying they suck but they aren't the best. Didn't we have boo williams in buffalo not to long ago?

I already gave a list giving about 20+ TE's that I think are better ... included in that were about 15 or so that I think are better blockers (and I didn't include someone like Bruener either) ... I really don't see why people think they do anything that most TE's in the league can't do.

Dozerdog
12-10-2003, 09:49 PM
Any TE in a Gilbride offense will suck by definition

kill4bills
12-11-2003, 02:53 AM
I like Wistrom better than Kearse. Wistrom plays every play.



yeah right kearse is 3 notches above wistrom and you guys need to stop saying he is injury prone he missed one season and like 2 games this year.i would love to get kearse it wouldnt even matter who else we got because w/him our defense would score as much as our offense(travis henry)

Bruce is Loose
12-11-2003, 09:46 AM
Streets or Steve Smith, Woody, Hicks, Villarrial or Coleman for G (dont know much about them), Sign Ty Law when hes cut. Get a S in the draft.

R. Rich
12-11-2003, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by tanked
Streets or Steve Smith, Woody, Hicks, Villarrial or Coleman for G (dont know much about them), Sign Ty Law when hes cut. Get a S in the draft.


The best safety prospect will be long gone by the time we pick (unless we're REAL lucky and he falls to the middle of the round). There are some decent players beside Sean Taylor, but none at the position with his potential impact. Still, if we were to get someone like Madieu Williams of Maryland in the third or fourth round, I wouldn't be too disappointed.

Mud
12-30-2003, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by Ebenezer
QB-Not getting help there.
RB-No need for help there.
FB-Resign Gash
WR-Darrell Jackson
G, T, TE-no need to sign anybody
C-Get any of the five

DE-Jevon Kearse
LB-Don't need help
CB-resign Winfield
S-no thanks

Jevon Kearse and Darrell Jackson are not likely to happen, IMO. Jevon is definitely not moving, and TD won't spend time on WR. Winfield will be back, and I think Damien Woody could end up here.

The Jokeman
12-30-2003, 11:24 PM
Originally posted by Mr. Miyagi
They just extended Campbell's contract. I doubt we'll get another TE.


Just like this past year when we extended Henry's contract but still drafted McGahee, the truth is if you can bring in a talent like Winslow at TE you do it regardless if you have a need. Winslow is a WR in a TEs body.

Gunzlingr
12-30-2003, 11:45 PM
Originally posted by Tatonka
not that it matters.. but kleinsasser might actually be the ugliest man to ever walk the face of the earth.. he is looks like the love child of rob brindimore and daryl talley, who then got tossed into the machine that turned jeff goldbloom into the fly... except he got stuck in there with a rat.

Ever see Chris Hovan? Looks like Pipi Longstocking after a sex change and lots of Testosterone injections!