Bills trying to lure Wyche for QBs

[Romes]

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20040128/1043081.asp


Meanwhile, the Bills may try to lure former Cincinnati and Tampa Bay coach Sam Wyche out of retirement to work with quarterbacks. Wyche gave Mularkey his break into coaching in Tampa.

He does have head coaching experience. Other than that I don't know much about Wyche. What do you all think about this possible move?

[The Spaz]

I think that would be a pretty good move IMO. LIke you said he has head coach experience and run a pretty good offense when Boomer Esiason was at the helm.

[juice]

Didn't Wyche lose his voice to some type of Vocal disorder? Seems like Bryant Gumball did a Real Sports about him and he had retired to coach and teach in HS in I think in SC.

The story said he was almost stripped of his livelyhood by his ailment but that he had regained limited voice use.

The article said he had excellent repore with players he coached in the NFL and was excellent at working with QB's and other players in HS and the NFL.

Also said he would like to coach in the NFL again. GT ELDER 36 pts vs CLEMSON

[Tatonka]

sam wyche is a coach that was able to get his team to the superbowl. i am sure he could be of some help for sure. i always liked the guy.

[The Spaz]

I used to hate the Bengals they would always kill us in the mid to late 80's Ickey Woods and Boomer Esiason.

[helmetguy]

Having Wyche and his considerable knowledge and experience would be a great asset to a young coordinator like Clements. It most certainly couldn't hurt.

[Philly Zoner]

TD must really miss Dick LeBeau; can't have him so he's looking for other ex-Bengals coaches to fill the void.

[Jan Reimers]

Wyche is known to have a very fertile offensive mind, knows Mularkey well, and has tons of experience. He would be a great fit with a young, first-time head coach, and a brand new OC. I'd love to see him with the Bills.

[Michael82]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
Wyche is known to have a very fertile offensive mind, knows Mularkey well, and has tons of experience. He would be a great fit with a young, first-time head coach, and a brand new OC. I'd love to see him with the Bills.

Agreed! It would be another solid move by Mike Mularkey. :up:

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Philly Zoner
TD must really miss Dick LeBeau; can't have him so he's looking for other ex-Bengals coaches to fill the void.

Wyche=Offense, LeBeau=Defense:up:

[ryjam282]

I don't see a problem with it, I think it is a great move if it pans out. Wyche knows football and the NFL.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by Jan Reimers
fertile love

:eek:

[The Spaz]

:rofl:

[JJamezz]

Originally posted by juice
Didn't Wyche lose his voice to some type of Vocal disorder? Seems like Bryant Gumball did a Real Sports about him and he had retired to coach and teach in HS in I think in SC.

The story said he was almost stripped of his livelyhood by his ailment but that he had regained limited voice use.

The article said he had excellent repore with players he coached in the NFL and was excellent at working with QB's and other players in HS and the NFL.

Also said he would like to coach in the NFL again. GT ELDER 36 pts vs CLEMSON

Yeah, he has a paralyzed vocal chord. To hear him speak now though (after surgeries and a lot of rehab I imagine), you can't tell anything is wrong - but he has problems raising his voice to anything above a normal speaking level. I heard him on WNSA a couple of months ago, and I got the impression he would like to come back in some role, and that now the technology is there that the voice problem wouldn't be too much of an issue. They have something thats sort of like a wearable bullhorn that I guess he can turn on and off to project his voice. Although as QB coach, I don't even know if that'd be necessary.

[BillsSabresB.C.T. Fan]

He was on Howard Simons show a few weeks back and said that he wouldn't come back because he had surgery on his throat and they clipped part of his vocal chord accidentally. Howard Simon talked to him he had a hard time even talking. It was when Howard was talking to McNally and Tom Clements same day.

[juice]

Originally posted by JJamezz
Yeah, he has a paralyzed vocal chord. To hear him speak now though (after surgeries and a lot of rehab I imagine), you can't tell anything is wrong - but he has problems raising his voice to anything above a normal speaking level. I heard him on WNSA a couple of months ago, and I got the impression he would like to come back in some role, and that now the technology is there that the voice problem wouldn't be too much of an issue. They have something thats sort of like a wearable bullhorn that I guess he can turn on and off to project his voice. Although as QB coach, I don't even know if that'd be necessary.

I got that same impression from the interview, and they spoke of him as being able to almost rebuild a QB's thought process as far as reads and delivery or "Quick Delivery". Sounds taylor made for our issues.

Wasn't Wyche the coach who had the big issue with female reporters in the locker room? Sounds like he is in tune with player concerns or at least puts his players first. ACC

[TigerJ]

If he can I think it would be a great move for Buffalo to get him. My mom has similar vocal problems. She used to sing in the church choir because she so loved to sing, but for the last 4 years she has hardly been able to speak above a whisper. She's been to some of the top specialists in the nation, had vocal chord implants, injections of cartilege and collagen, had therapy, etc. Her vocal chords are both missaligned and partially paralyzed. Speaking from experience I know this can be a tough nut to crack.

[juice]

DMC from RAP group RunDMC had the same problem after years of high pitched rap lyrics. His voice has been bought down to a wisper.

Very difficult afliction, but shouldn't effect a position coach who works primarily One on One. ACC

[Jan Reimers]

Originally posted by BillsChampsin04
He was on Howard Simons show a few weeks back and said that he wouldn't come back because he had surgery on his throat and they clipped part of his vocal chord accidentally.

I got the impression that he WOULD LIKE to come back, given the right situation. He sounded good, still interested in the game, and eager to share his knowledge. I hope he considers this the right situation.

[35Pete]

Wacky Wyche as QB coach? He is a guy that loves trick plays.
But I tend to agree that this guy knows QBs and would probably be a nice addition to the offensive coaching staff.

[Mr. Cynical]

I'm on the fence. It does remind me of the LeBeau/Grey scenario, only now it would be Wyche/Clements. I think it's not how Wyche is with MM that's important. It is how he is with Clements. If the personalities match then it could work I guess.

But how much does Wyche really add given the fact that Clements' strength and experience is as a QB coach for so many years? Not sure it is worth the risk of the ego/age clashing or the potential voice issue.

I guess we'll see if/when he comes here.

[baalworship]

Sam Wyche is a football genius. I would love to see him in Buffalo! I am sure that Mularkey and Clements would benefit greatly by having Wyche here. Plus, it would give Mularkey someone he could turn to when things get tough. Wyche could serve as

1. QB coach
2. Offensive Consultant
3. Head Coach Mentor for Mularkey

[cordog]

Wyche would be great for Bledsoe and if we do bring in a rookie this year, there isnt anyone greater for him to learn from.

[juice]

Wyche has been working with HS QB's down in SC so he has the ability to deal with young up and coming talent. A draft QB could benefit from his knowledge and tutoring.

He has been away from the game for a few years and hasn't had to deal with NFL millionairre egos. Hope he hasn't lost his touch.
Originally posted by cordog
Wyche would be great for Bledsoe and if we do bring in a rookie this year, there isnt anyone greater for him to learn from.

[TigerJ]

I remember when he was coaching, he was one of the few coaches who really liked to push the envelope, out of the box thinking and other such cliches. He really did though. It would be fun to have a mind like that in the organization as long as the Bills get the basic stuff right.

[helmetguy]

About the only real "out of the box" innovation he's known for was when he used his version of the no-huddle. He'd have like 15 guys on the field between each play, then, before they went to the line of scrimmage, four would come off. It really screwed up defenses; not knowing which 11 were going to line up. The rule that they have now-eleven in the huddle-is also known as the "Wyche Rule." As far as a QB coach, he had Esiason through his best years, and he didn't do anything too fancy with the offense. I wouldn't call him a "genius" but the guy does have lots of football smarts.

[madness]

Originally posted by helmetguy
As far as a QB coach, he had Esiason through his best years, and he didn't do anything too fancy with the offense. I wouldn't call him a "genius" but the guy does have lots of football smarts.

That's what I'm wondering. Is he going to be able to break Bledsoe from his "bad habits"? I think Bledsoe still has alot to offer under the right system and a stout O-line.

[helmetguy]

Originally posted by madness23
That's what I'm wondering. Is he going to be able to break Bledsoe from his "bad habits"? I think Bledsoe still has alot to offer under the right system and a stout O-line.

I think so. Bledso's bad habits had a lot to do with the number of reads he had to make in KG's scheme (see Ingtar's article). Where we were using the short pass to set up the longer passes (a combination of the WCO and the old Run-and-Shoot), Wyche ran considerably fewer plays, but out of a lot of different formations. Where a more conventional offense uses the TE as a blocker, seam/"hot read" receiver, KG's used them as a fourth receiver, running the kinds of routes that slot receivers usually run-complete with all the adjustments on the fly. Unless everybody is on the same page, that's a hell of a lot of reads to make while dropping back. Further, without a "hot" receiver, defenses will succeed much more often when they blitz. Count on Clements to take a much more basic approach, attack on the edges again, and take the heat off Bledsoe from the middle of the D. Wyche will do a great deal to help Bledsoe overcome most of the bad habits he recently developed.

[elltrain22]

It would be a very good move to bring in Wyche, but truthfully, i just don't see it happening. Wyche was always such a hot headed coach that it lead him to developing a voice disorder, and he probably has some sort of heart condition as well, since he went bizerke so many times. I will forever remember Sammy for actually taking a mic during a Bengals-Browns game, and telling the Browns fans to stop throwing stuff onto the field, and he said your not in Cleveland. That was classic.

[juice]

Originally posted by elltrain22
It would be a very good move to bring in Wyche, but truthfully, i just don't see it happening. Wyche was always such a hot headed coach that it lead him to developing a voice disorder, and he probably has some sort of heart condition as well, since he went bizerke so many times. I will forever remember Sammy for actually taking a mic during a Bengals-Browns game, and telling the Browns fans to stop throwing stuff onto the field, and he said your not in Cleveland. That was classic.

Yo el You know a few years down in SC(area like G.Ville) coaching HS QB's will mellow the highest strung person out.

I dont think his health was an issue besides his voice because he still had a job on a major network as a commentator when he realized without his voice he couldn't make a living as an analyst or coach.

He was telling those fans to stop interupting the game and to respect his house. Was he a coach with that short of a fuse or just a coach that didn't take any BS. I remember he flipped on Andrea Kramer or some chick that kept wondering into the Bengals lockerroom for postgame interviews while players were exiting showers.

He might bring a little fire to this coaching staff, maybe the players will take the coaches Identity.
Anything happening downtown on Thursday night these days?

[caveboy]

Don't we have a co-ordinator already? Only thing I see him helping out with is QB coach. "Drew, get rid of the ball sooner, Alex, hold the clip board. Travis, relax until we dump you next year during the offseason." That was hard – now pay me the money.

;-p

More importantly, just how many people are we going to bring in to help Drew? How about focusing on the O-line a little more.

It's also great that Sam has a lot of experience with running the o and so forth, but sooner or later, too many chiefs is going to be a bad thing around here.

If MM is such an up and coming offensive coaching star, then let's see what he can do. It's his team now and his turn to right the ship.

[juice]

The issue last year was lack of coaching and coaching experience. Wyche gave MM his start and has been humbled by years of Tobacco road HS football.

He's coached QB's in HS the last couple of years I think that will satisfy his coaching aspirations. Its MM's show. UNC over NCSU

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by caveboy
Don't we have a co-ordinator already? Only thing I see him helping out with is QB coach. "Drew, get rid of the ball sooner, Alex, hold the clip board. Travis, relax until we dump you next year during the offseason." That was hard – now pay me the money.

;-p

More importantly, just how many people are we going to bring in to help Drew? How about focusing on the O-line a little more.

It's also great that Sam has a lot of experience with running the o and so forth, but sooner or later, too many chiefs is going to be a bad thing around here.

If MM is such an up and coming offensive coaching star, then let's see what he can do. It's his team now and his turn to right the ship.

We have 2 o-line coaches as well!:snicker::up: Your right it is his team and he is hiring the assistants he wants to help out.

[Mr. Cynical]

Originally posted by caveboy
Don't we have a co-ordinator already? Only thing I see him helping out with is QB coach. "Drew, get rid of the ball sooner, Alex, hold the clip board. Travis, relax until we dump you next year during the offseason." That was hard – now pay me the money.

;-p

More importantly, just how many people are we going to bring in to help Drew? How about focusing on the O-line a little more.

It's also great that Sam has a lot of experience with running the o and so forth, but sooner or later, too many chiefs is going to be a bad thing around here.

If MM is such an up and coming offensive coaching star, then let's see what he can do. It's his team now and his turn to right the ship.

Agreed.

[BigZ]

Originally posted by BillsChampsin04
He was on Howard Simons show a few weeks back and said that he wouldn't come back because he had surgery on his throat and they clipped part of his vocal chord accidentally. Howard Simon talked to him he had a hard time even talking. It was when Howard was talking to McNally and Tom Clements same day.

I listened to him and got the impression that the voice problem forced him out but that he missed it a lot. They discussed the technology and he admitted that although he'd heard about it he hadn't checked any of it out yet.

He did say that if something could get worked out with the voice and with a team that wanted his services that he'd consider it very seriously.

I think he would be a great addition to coach QB's. Drew needs someone to get his attitude and internal clock working again (boy I figure I'll get a lot of comments on that one!) and when we draft a QB the new coach will have Brown and him to bring along.

[samhain1961]

Originally posted by JJamezz


Yeah, he has a paralyzed vocal chord. To hear him speak now though (after surgeries and a lot of rehab I imagine), you can't tell anything is wrong - but he has problems raising his voice to anything above a normal speaking level. I heard him on WNSA a couple of months ago, and I got the impression he would like to come back in some role, and that now the technology is there that the voice problem wouldn't be too much of an issue. They have something thats sort of like a wearable bullhorn that I guess he can turn on and off to project his voice. Although as QB coach, I don't even know if that'd be necessary.

I disagree.
As I recall Sam said he WOULD like an opportunity to get back into coaching & that he would welcome a call from Mularkey.

[samhain1961]

Originally posted by samhain1961


I disagree.
As I recall Sam said he WOULD like an opportunity to get back into coaching & that he would welcome a call from Mularkey.

Whoops.
Obviously my reply was meant for BillsChampsin04.

[juice]

Originally posted by samhain1961
I disagree.
As I recall Sam said he WOULD like an opportunity to get back into coaching & that he would welcome a call from Mularkey.

The interview on Real Sports almost made his case sound like there was little interest, like he was damaged goods. I remember thinking that it seemed the reason he did the interview was to maybe spark interest around the league for the upcoming year.

I get the feeling he will come here if he is asked also from the interview I saw at the beginning of the season. Since he gave MM his start and the state that our QB situation is in I think he will ask him. ACC

[The_Philster]

He could be a big help. I've always been against using the Offensive Coordinator to double as the QBs coach. :down:

[Dozerdog]

I think he would have a similar impact on the offense that LeBeau had for the defense.

Give advice, guidance to younger coaches

[solomon100]

I think sam wyche would be an excellent addition to the coaching staff...Sometimes he is a bit emotional, but he is very intense and he did a great job with boomer esiason!

Go Bills

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by solomon100
I think sam wyche would be an excellent addition to the coaching staff...Sometimes he is a bit emotional, but he is very intense and he did a great job with boomer esiason!

Go Bills

Welcom to the zone Soloman!:up::beer:

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by The Spaz
We have 2 o-line coaches as well!:snicker::up: Your right it is his team and he is hiring the assistants he wants to help out.

yeah.. i was gonna point that out.. the TE coach is an OLine coach as well.


Originally posted by Dozerdog
I think he would have a similar impact on the offense that LeBeau had for the defense.

Give advice, guidance to younger coaches

:up:

agree totally.

[The Spaz]

yeah.. i was gonna point that out.. the TE coach is an OLine coach as well.

Our WR coach was a TE coach too!:up:

[The Spaz]

Actually we have 3 coaches total who have dealt with TE's. Tell me we won't be using them more this year and wont be used in the running game for blocking.:snicker:

[hemi13]

I like the idea, Sam gave Mike his first job, now it's only fair that we repays Sam. He won't be able to yell and scream after having the problems he's had.

[hemi13]

After Mike got the job, Empire Sports interviewed Sam and ask him if he would be interested in a job on MM's staff and Sam said yes, he's missed football and would love to have the chance to work with Mike again.

[JayWood]

From listening to ESPN this morning, according to Mort it looks like Sam is all but delivered to Buffalo. I give it to MM the guy has put together what i would call a good solid staff.

[JJamezz]

Originally posted by JayWood
From listening to ESPN this morning, according to Mort it looks like Sam is all but delivered to Buffalo. I give it to MM the guy has put together what i would call a good solid staff.

I think you're right. CBS just had an interview Esiason did with Wyche this week.

At the end Esiason asked him about coming back to coaching and he said 'I want to coach again, I'm hungry for it. I think I'd be a better coach than I ever was before."

Esiason also said that Wyche will be a QB coach in the NFL this year, and don't be surprised to hear about it very soon.

I don't remember hearing about anyone else courting him, so it sounds like a done deal.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by JJamezz


I think you're right. CBS just had an interview Esiason did with Wyche this week.

At the end Esiason asked him about coming back to coaching and he said 'I want to coach again, I'm hungry for it. I think I'd be a better coach than I ever was before."

Esiason also said that Wyche will be a QB coach in the NFL this year, and don't be surprised to hear about it very soon.

I don't remember hearing about anyone else courting him, so it sounds like a done deal.

Excellent news!:up::beer: