thrash talks heating up

[bills_7]

if we can get thrash it would give us the depth we need a WR and he may be able to show signs of what price did.... that is if he can hang on to the ball

http://www.billsdaily.com/news/index.shtml#032504

any thoughts?

[STAMPY]

i'll take the trash man

[STAMPY]

i rather have conway tho

[The Natrix]

I would be for it. Although on the downside of his carrer, Trash would most likely make more of an impact than a rookie, even a first rounder. Besides, it is to early to draft Mould's replacement. Put it off a year or two.

[Tatonka]

thrash would be the ideal speed guy.. but i personally would rather see bannister.. he would be cheaper and is much younger.

[LtBillsFan66]

I'd love Thrash!

Would he replace Reed or Shaw? Time will tell of course, but based on last season, I would say Reed.

[Tatonka]

i dont think that thrash would replace reed or shaw.. at best he would fight with shaw for the 3rd wr spot.. and come in as the flanker on 3 wr sets, letting reed move to the slot.

[The Natrix]

Originally posted by billsfanone
I'd love Thrash!

Would he replace Reed or Shaw? Time will tell of course, but based on last season, I would say Reed.

Well, I think Reed is great in the slot, so I don't see anyway Reed would move to #4.

[bills_7]

i rather see shaw in the slot he played better last yr then reed did the yr before

[The Natrix]

Originally posted by bills_7
i rather see shaw in the slot he played better last yr then reed did the yr before


Well, I'm not saying Shaw is #4 either. I think Trash and Shaw could be interchangable at the #2 depending on the play since they are different types of receivers. I like Shaw.


Not sure why some people feel it is critical to draft a WR early. I like the Bills WR group. I think they are the ones on offense who deserve all the excuses.

[The Spaz]

People are through with Reed huh, unbelievable.

[Devin]

Agree with T.

Id take Bannister first, amazing speed, pro bowl return man, great young deep threat....and way cheap.

[Devin]

Moulds, Bannister, Reed, Shaw sounds good to me.

[The Natrix]

Originally posted by The Spaz
People are through with Reed huh, unbelievable.

I'm not!

I just don't think it is a lock he will be great, that's all. He could. Who knows?

Hopefully Moulds will be 100% and then I see Reed, Shaw, and Trash all contributing about equally, maybe Reed a little more than the other two.

I also think getting Trash would be nice because it wouldn't close the door on Cloeman and Aiken. Bannister would. I would hate to see one of those young guys thrive for another team, especially one in the AFC east.

Anyway, get Thrash and CUT ANTONIO BROWN.

[Philly Zoner]

DO NOT DO THIS.....please listen to a voice of reason from Philadelphia. I've seen a lot of James Thrash, and I PROMISE YOU that he will not beat out Josh Reed for #2. he may look fast on paper, but he NEVER gets open.

Like Tatonka said, Bannister is by far the better choice for a depth receiver. He's probably a better receiver than Thrash (though stuck behind Seattle's stars) AND will really jazz up the ST.

don't sign Thrash... I'd rather have an unproven rookie

[THATHURMANATOR]

Why would you rather have Bannister than Thrash other than age?

[Mr. Miyagi]

Never was impressed with Thrash. No thanks.

[Devin]

Bannister is a pro bowl return man, hes only 26-27, he cheap, amazingly fast and while he hasnt been utilized as much, he could be a big deep threat for us.

Thats why.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Devin
Bannister is a pro bowl return man, hes only 26-27, he cheap, amazingly fast and while he hasnt been utilized as much, he could be a big deep threat for us.

Thats why.

He is not a returnn man he is a gunner.

[Bill Brasky]

James Thrash sucks

[The Natrix]

Trash is a return man, and he will be 29 next month.

KICK RETURNS

Year Team G No Yards Avg Lg TD 40+
1997 Washington Redskins 4 0 0 --- 0 0 0
1998 Washington Redskins 10 6 129 21.5 39 0 0
1999 Washington Redskins 16 14 355 25.4 95 1 2
2000 Washington Redskins 16 45 1000 22.2 49 0 2
2001 Philadelphia Eagles 15 5 101 20.2 34 0 0
2002 Philadelphia Eagles 16 0 0 --- 0 0 0
2003 Philadelphia Eagles 16 34 815 24.0 54 0 3
TOTAL 93 104 2400 23.1 95 1 7

[juice]

We need to bring in someone who can handle the return responsibilities.. especially if Brown is cut.

Bannister at 6'4 4.2 speed would be able to do what Brown did on returns.. he must lack vision.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Originally posted by Devin
Bannister is a pro bowl return man, hes only 26-27, he cheap, amazingly fast and while he hasnt been utilized as much, he could be a big deep threat for us.

Thats why.

For a return man sure. Thrash is 28 not much older

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by juice
We need to bring in someone who can handle the return responsibilities.. especially if Brown is cut.

Bannister at 6'4 4.2 speed would be able to do what Brown did on returns.. he must lack vision.

For the 100th time Bannister is not a return or at least he hasn't been he has been a gunner that's how he made the probowl.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by The Spaz
People are through with Reed huh, unbelievable.

i know.. i cant wait till reed shuts everyone up this year.


Originally posted by Devin
Agree with T.

Id take Bannister first, amazing speed, pro bowl return man, great young deep threat....and way cheap.

one thing.. bannister is a gunner like steve tasker was.. not a return guy..

i actually think thrash returns kicks.. or did at least.. maybe IF he came here, he would do that again.. i wouldnt be opposed to thrash replacing brown and bannister replacing coleman... either way, unless one plays incredible.. they are not unseating reed or shaw for the 2 and 3 spot.. so what does it hurt.



Originally posted by Devin
Bannister is a pro bowl return man, hes only 26-27, he cheap, amazingly fast and while he hasnt been utilized as much, he could be a big deep threat for us.

Thats why.

gunner.. not return guy :D

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by The Spaz
For the 100th time Bannister is not a return or at least he hasn't been he has been a gunner that's how he made the probowl.


oops.. i didnt see your post before i corrected him too.. overkill.. lol

[juice]

Originally posted by The Spaz
For the 100th time Bannister is not a return or at least he hasn't been he has been a gunner that's how he made the probowl.

I know but he should be with 4.2 speed as reported.. But I wouldn't beleive every thing reported about this guy.

For instance with that kind of speed why has he never returned kicks?

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Tatonka



oops.. i didnt see your post before i corrected him too.. overkill.. lol

:biggrin:

[THATHURMANATOR]

Was Bannister a gunner or a return guy?

[Dantheman1280]

Bannister looks better to me than James Trash!!

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by THATHURMANATOR
Was Bannister a gunner or a return guy?

:mad:

[The Natrix]

James Thrash:


http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1859

[TedMock]

Originally posted by juice


I know but he should be with 4.2 speed as reported.. But I wouldn't beleive every thing reported about this guy.

For instance with that kind of speed why has he never returned kicks?

Maybe he has a hard time catching the ball or adjusting to it. Maybe he just doesn't see the field that well. Antonio Brown is even faster and his field vision sucks. Speed's nice but, quite often, patience and explosion is more important. Set up your blockers, then hit the hole. Speed comes in 3rd on kick returns.

[justasportsfan]

Reed will be what Ward is to Pitts. Mularkey will make it happen.

[juice]

Use his (Bannister) speed on a Return reverse.. Blocking schemes in the return game has alot to do with it also.

You need vision to be a Great return man... But if he has 4.2 speed you can find a way to get him in the open in the return game.. anything would almost be an improvement over Brown last year.. Unless he cant catch the kick.

[THATHURMANATOR]

Thrash may not be a stud wr but would be a good compliment to Moulds and Reed IMO. Yes Bannister is fast but hasn't done much at WR. If you want to sign in for ST help sure but not to help at WR.

[Tatonka]

Originally posted by juice
I know but he should be with 4.2 speed as reported.. But I wouldn't beleive every thing reported about this guy.




he reported that speed himself when interviewed on buffalobills.com.. you can check it out for yourself. he said dallas and another team timed him at 4.22 and 4.31 post combine.. he ran a 4.4 officailly at the combine.

[Devin]

my mistake on the gunner/KR comment sometimes my view of special teams is one sided.

Thanks for correcting me half a dozen times, i was confused after the 4th or 5th but by 6th time i had it.

Either way hed make a nice addition.

[juice]

Originally posted by Tatonka
he reported that speed himself when interviewed on buffalobills.com.. you can check it out for yourself. he said dallas and another team timed him at 4.22 and 4.31 post combine.. he ran a 4.4 officailly at the combine.

4.4 isn't bad but that 4.3 would be worth the risk. With a Pro Bowl ST player it's hard to go wrong.

[Devin]

agreed.

[Philly Zoner]

Originally posted by THATHURMANATOR
Why would you rather have Bannister than Thrash other than age?

Mostly cause I don't see Thrash adding anything we don't have. He's a Bobby Shaw. I've involuntarily watched Eagles football for three years, and really seen nothing special out of the guy. average hands, decent speed, but no ability to find space.

Bannister does add something different. Speed, youth, and PRO BOWL special teams. I can't say for sure that he's a better receiver than Thrash, but Bannister's overall package gives us stuff that we don't already have.

[Devin]

key thing about Bannister i like is his potential. Well that and hes cheap.

Bannister I feel could turn into a great speedy 2nd-3rd man.

Not to mention his "gunner" abilities.

[TigerJ]

I'd rather have Bannister, but Bannister is a restricted free agent. He may be a little harder to pry away from the Seahawks than Thrash. Since they tendered him, they obviously want him and do have the right to match offers.

[Philly Zoner]

Bannister still should be relatively cheap. I would imagine cheaper than Thrash. Although I guess if we have to give the seahawks our 5th, that figures into the equation.

am I right on that, don't the Hawks get our 5th rounder if he signs with us?

[Tatonka]

that is correct.. he costs a 5th.

[SoCalBillsFan]

I think he'd be worth a 5th.

[ryjam282]

Honestly, I would prefer Thrash simply because he could help out as a WR if needed. They both would obviously be used primarily on ST but if Bannister was a gunner then maybe we get them both. We could definitely use a pro bowl gunner on the ST to help out. Thrash would definintely be an upgrade to Brown in returning kicks. I thought that guy was gonna be great, but he has been a real dud thus far.

[Michael82]

James Trash!?!? NOOOOO! :puke:

He has sucked on all my fantasy football teams and is going to be 29. I'd rather have Reed, Shaw and Coleman duke it out, plus grab a guy like Roy or Reggie Williams. :D

[StanMarino13]

Yeah if u guys want a crappy wr from a crappy wr corps i think mcknight is out there in fa. J/K I agree with Mikey u guys would be much better off with a Williams in the draft or someone similar. If Reed improves and whomever u draft at wr comes in and plays well then u guys might have the replacement for moulds outta the two of them when he is done, and a great trio this year to boot.

[L.A. Playa]

Let him be someone elses Trash this guy has never shown up in any big game I would rather play Antoni Brown than have this guy

[Michael82]

Originally posted by pmacla
Let him be someone elses Trash this guy has never shown up in any big game I would rather play Antoni Brown than have this guy

:bf1:

[bills_7]

thrash will help us stretch the field...
ill take him and he has plenty of playoff expirence

[Bert102176]

I like Thrash but would rather sign Bannister, but honestly would rather have one of the kids in the Draft this year, say Evans in the 2nd if he is there

[BuffaloRanger]

Thrash is a non-factor. Remember when everyone said "If only the Eagles had some WRs they'd have won those NFC title games."

Thrash is an average #2 WR, a good #3 WR. We already have a couple of those. I'd take Bannister and draft a WR on day 1.

[BuffaloRanger]

Not interested.

[ShadowHawk7]

Ahem, DID NE1 ACUTALLY SEE THIS GUY SUCK IT UP FOR THE EAGLES?? Not even 50 catches. Shaw is way better. Bannister would be ideal, but it's not like he'd be our solution to our #2, chek his bios.

[Billzz]

Well they have never really had a EXCELLENT reciever and chose to seek out one this year so that's gotta tell you something. Out of their crappy reciever core he is the crappiest:) seeing how he's going to be cut.

I think Kordell would make a better option for what they are picking trash up for. Reed/Shaw/Aiken is just fine although short.

[bills_7]

i think the bills r wasting there time with reed we get thrash and trade reed for anything we can get for him

[bills_7]

shaw is better then reed in the slot....
we can always keep reed around for depth but i dont see him having a break out yr ever if he is the #2 agian....

AB will also have a great season he just needed some games under his belt, so i dont see a big need to get bannister

[The Spaz]

i think the bills r wasting there time with reed we get thrash and trade reed for anything we can get for him


Originally posted by bills_7
shaw is better then reed in the slot....
we can always keep reed around for depth but i dont see him having a break out yr ever if he is the #2 agian....

AB will also have a great season he just needed some games under his belt, so i dont see a big need to get bannister

Yes lets give up on a player going into his 3rd year. We should have cut Moulds before his 3rd season as well.:hamrhed:

[The Spaz]

Yes let's trade Reed for a 29 year old receiver who hasn't proven squat. Besides reed has put up just about equal numbers to thrash the past 2 years.

[bills_7]

i find it funny that u r even comparing EM to JR....
what has reed shown u that u want him to stay

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by bills_7
i find it funny that u r even comparing EM to JR....
what has reed shown u that u want him to stay

The point is Eric Moulds didn't show squat until his 3rd year and this will be Reed's 3rd year.

[The Spaz]

http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/1196.jpg
<b>Eric Moulds</b>

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1196

http://images.nfl.com/images/players/60x80/302219.jpg
<b>Josh Reed</b>

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/302219

[bills_7]

thats cause moulds didnt have the chance reed did, moulds only started in like 5 games a yr in his first two seasons

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by bills_7
thats cause moulds didnt have the chance reed did, moulds only started in like 5 games a yr in his first two seasons

My point is you want to can a guy before even his 3rd year. You would make a great GM.:rolleyes:

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by bills_7
thats cause moulds didnt have the chance reed did, moulds only started in like 5 games a yr in his first two seasons

Reed only started in 2 games as a rookie what's your point.

[bills_7]

he had his chance last last yr did nothing he will be a slot WR his whole career

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by bills_7
he had his chance last last yr did nothing he will be a slot WR his whole career

Yeah he failed in his first year as a starter he sucks let's can him.:cynic:

[bills_7]

Originally posted by The Spaz
My point is you want to can a guy before even his 3rd year. You would make a great GM.:rolleyes:

ya i would and i would bring in couch too

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by bills_7


ya i would and i would bring in couch too


Thank god your not the GM!:clap:

[TigerJ]

Note: The Buffalo News reports that the Buffalo Bills denied talking with the Eagles about a trade for Thrash. Apparently the Eagles contacted Buffalo, but Buffalo said they are not interested. Maybe Philadelphia started the rumor to spark some interest in Thrash.

I don't know much about Thrash except that he's supposed to be fast, has be a pretty good kick returner, and returned kicks as recently as last season. As a wide receiver, he is proven, but proven only to be average.

In the pros, Bannister has only been a gunner to this point, catching just a handful of passes over his three year NFL career. He has terrific size and speed, but his inexperience at WR makes him a question mark to fill any kind of WR role for Buffalo. He had no WR position coach in college, going to a small school. The Seahawks, I guess, were happy with their WR corp and just didn't feel any need to push him into any kind of significant receiving role. If he comes cheap, Buffalo gets a proven gunner, and a guy who just might become a viable deep threat at WR. That seems to be worth it, but, Buffalo would not want to put all their eggs in one basket as far as counting on him to be the answer as a speed receiver. They need to find someone else who has some big play ability, work Bannister into the offence some this year, then if he shows promise, let him compete for a starting role in 2005.

[justasportsfan]

Yeah, TD denied that we want Thrash.

[The Spaz]

According to WNSA the Eagles contacted the Bills but the Bills weren't interested.

[Devin]

Originally posted by bills_7


ya i would and i would bring in couch too

Holy hell.

Reed is gonna have a solid year, he will hit his 3rd year and do just fine.

Comparing Moulds and Reed is almost comical.

Jeeeez, while we all have the same love for the Bills....I have to truly wonder sometimes.

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by Devin


Holy hell.

Reed is gonna have a solid year, he will hit his 3rd year and do just fine.

Comparing Moulds and Reed is almost comical.

Jeeeez, while we all have the same love for the Bills....I have to truly wonder sometimes.

Who was comparing reeds and Moulds abilities I was comparing their 1st 2 seasons.

[Devin]

wasnt reffering to you.

[bills_7]

Originally posted by Devin

Comparing Moulds and Reed is almost comical.


it wasnt me who was comparing them

[bills_7]

who were u refering to then

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by bills_7
who were u refering to then

Learn to read!:up:

[bills_7]

Originally posted by The Spaz
Learn to read!:up:

ur the one comparing them

then i said....

i find it funny ur comparing EM to JR

so tell me who should learn to read

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by bills_7


ur the one comparing them

then i said....

i find it funny ur comparing EM to JR

so tell me who should learn to read

I'm comparing their first 2 seasons that is all!:shakeno:

[bills_7]

i know so then what is devin talking about when he said i wanst referring to u....
he must of meant me right!!

so maybe he should learn to read better

[The Spaz]

Originally posted by bills_7
i know so then what is devin talking about when he said i wanst referring to u....
he must of meant me right!!

so maybe he should learn to read better

:idunno:

[bills_7]

whatever im over it

reed sucks and will suck this yr again....

we need to bring in fast guy, gunner whatever lets just get someone to play the #2 spot