Proposal Calls For New Downtown Stadium For Bills

[The_Philster]

Antoine M. Thompson, Masten District Council Member sponsored a resolution with the Common Council that will call for the construction of a new football stadium in downtown Buffalo for the Buffalo Bills. The resolution also asks for support in keeping the Bills here in Buffalo.

Thompson is hoping that a new stadium will help the economic situation as well as tourism in the City of Buffalo, especially with Bass Pro and the proposed Waterfront Development Project...more (http://www.wgr550.com/bills/fullstory.php?id=0772)

[Italian Stallion]

wow....how amazing would that be for the city of Buffalo??? What if it ends up being one similar to the Jets, does anyone think we would ever get the Super Bowl??

[RedEyE]

I'm all for this. I feel building a stadium actually in Buffalo could increase restaurant sales and perhaps even bring shopping back to the dowtown area.

:up:

[gobuffalo2007]

Hopfuly it has a retractable roof so when its snowing we can open it up on the Dolphins.

[The_Philster]

I'm all for this. I feel building a stadium actually in Buffalo could increase restaurant sales and perhaps even bring shopping back to the dowtown area.

:up:

couple problems with it...major traffic tieups worse than we have now...and what about tailgating?

[RedEyE]

They should bulldoze some of the grain elevators next to the Naval Park. Put it right on the lake. Frozen Fish Sticks!!

[Nighthawk]

The first smart thing I've heard come out of Buffalo government in sometime! This is exactly what needs to be done to keep the Bills in Buffalo and to help the City of Buffalo out. For it to have a major impact on the city, the stadium would have to be a retractable dome that could accommodate other events during the winter. It has to be done right and I'm glad that this subject has finally been brought up. The Ralph is outdated and does need to be replaced AND it needs to be in downtown Buffalo!

[RedEyE]

couple problems with it...major traffic tieups worse than we have now...and what about tailgating?

Traffic? More so than what is in Orchard Park during the games now? Not possible. Trust me, you don't have traffic in Buffalo Phil. If major cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, LA, and NYC can do it, Buffalo will be a breeze. Building a stadium downtown may even force to better the mass transit system.

[Italian Stallion]

I'm a big fan of this idea, but i can't see the taxpayers wanting to front money for another high-tech stadium in the state...

If it gets done, look for it to be somewhat similiar to the Ralph with certian accomidations for concerts, and perhaps soccer or something, but NO roof....too much money to ask for...

[BAM]

Living outside of B-Lo, I'd say to leave it where it is. I don't know if having a stadium in the middle of a city is a good idea. I know it sucks in Baltimore.

But if it will increase the economy of the city, go for it I guess. :up:

[Crisis]

Build it! The Bills wouldn't be moving if we get this.

[OpIv37]

couple problems with it...major traffic tieups worse than we have now...and what about tailgating?
if you think Buffalo has a traffic problem, come down here for a few days....

so all you people who were *****ing about the Jets stadium and the tax dollars for it- how do you feel now?

[OpIv37]

I'm a big fan of this idea, but i can't see the taxpayers wanting to front money for another high-tech stadium in the state...

If it gets done, look for it to be somewhat similiar to the Ralph with certian accomidations for concerts, and perhaps soccer or something, but NO roof....too much money to ask for...

they better NEVER build a stadium in Buffalo with a roof...

[BAM]

so all you people who were *****ing about the Jets stadium and the tax dollars for it- how do you feel now?

Ohhhhh good question, Op.

:movie:

[Michael82]

This would eliminate tailgating. Nooo...leave it in Orchard Park. :mad:

[OpIv37]

This would eliminate tailgating. Nooo...leave it in Orchard Park. :mad:

I'm sure they'll find a way to keep it up- you saw how it was in Baltimore. The Bills fans found a parking lot and made it into a tailgate.

Here's another question- just throwing it out there. If the Ralph is replaced, would it be better to move it closer to Rochester to get more fans from there to attend games and reduce gameday traffic? It doesn't help the redevelopment issue but it might help the Bills gain some support, moreso than a downtown stadium.

[The_Philster]

Traffic? More so than what is in Orchard Park during the games now? Not possible. Trust me, you don't have traffic in Buffalo Phil. If major cities like Atlanta, Charlotte, LA, and NYC can do it, Buffalo will be a breeze. Building a stadium downtown may even force to better the mass transit system.
It takes hours to get away from the stadium after the games unless you're lucky...and the traffic going into Buffalo after games is a nightmare...I could get home to Jamestown leaving the stadium at the same time as Ally getting home into downtown Buffalo, for instance.

I'm a big fan of this idea, but i can't see the taxpayers wanting to front money for another high-tech stadium in the state...That's a major roadblock right there...and the way the economy is up here...the local governments can't foot the bill


Living outside of B-Lo, I'd say to leave it where it is. I don't know if having a stadium in the middle of a city is a good idea. I know it sucks in Baltimore.

But if it will increase the economy of the city, go for it I guess. :up:that's the only positive to it...it might increase the economy somewhat


if you think Buffalo has a traffic problem, come down here for a few days....I've been to Baltimore...and yes it's worse on a regular basis...but I'm talking about gamedays

[Nighthawk]

This would eliminate tailgating. Nooo...leave it in Orchard Park. :mad:

This is typical Buffalo thinking...hey, are you going to tailgate on Sundays at the Ralph when the Bills are no longer here? Stop thinking about yourself and look at the bigger picture. This also goes for all of the people who say to not build it with a retractable roof. With no roof, this stadium will never get built...not enough events. Think people, think!!!

[Typ0]

I hate baseball....but it would be much better for buffalo to put the cash into baseball than football there just isn't enough games.

[don137]

I am sure you can still tailgate. It just would be more scattered. I went to a couple Panthers games last year here in Charlotte. The Panthers stadium is in downtown Charlotte. It wasn't the same as the Ralph but you can still throw a football around and cookout...As far as traffics that should be much better than Orchard Park. The roads in and out of Buffalo are meant to handle heavy traffic and is better equipped than Orchard Park. Having 70,000+ fans leaving a game should be no problem.

[Michael82]

I'm sure they'll find a way to keep it up- you saw how it was in Baltimore. The Bills fans found a parking lot and made it into a tailgate.

Here's another question- just throwing it out there. If the Ralph is replaced, would it be better to move it closer to Rochester to get more fans from there to attend games and reduce gameday traffic? It doesn't help the redevelopment issue but it might help the Bills gain some support, moreso than a downtown stadium.
I've always thought that they should have the stadium right next to the Thruway in Batavia

[The_Philster]

I've always thought that they should have the stadium right next to the Thruway in Batavia

You already got training camp :mad:

[RedEyE]

It takes hours to get away from the stadium after the games unless you're lucky...and the traffic going into Buffalo after games is a nightmare...I could get home to Jamestown leaving the stadium at the same time as Ally getting home into downtown Buffalo, for instance.


I think that it will disperse traffic more evenly. I-290 goes both North and South. 33 pulls you out of the center of town, 5 takes you to the East and South. Not to mention Elmwood and Delaware and the train on Main.

[Michael82]

I still see no chance in this happening, especially if the Jets get their billion dollars for that stupid Westside Stadium. Plus, they just spent millions of dollars on renovating the Ralph less than 10 years ago. They don't have the money to spend on a brand new stadium.

[Michael82]

You already got training camp :mad:
:dance:

And it's much better than the one that used to be in Fredonia. :snicker:

[The_Philster]

:dance:

And it's much better than the one that used to be in Fredonia. :snicker:

:negrep:

[RedEyE]

I still see no chance in this happening, especially if the Jets get their billion dollars for that stupid Westside Stadium. Plus, they just spent millions of dollars on renovating the Ralph less than 10 years ago. They don't have the money to spend on a brand new stadium.


Even more of a reason to fight for this. It's time for the State gov't to understand and realize that there is more to NY than the "Big Apple".

[The_Philster]

Even more of a reason to fight for this. It's time for the State gov't to understand and realize that there is more to NY than the "Big Apple".

as if NY state taxes weren't high enough :nervous:

[Michael82]

Even more of a reason to fight for this. It's time for the State gov't to understand and realize that there is more to NY than the "Big Apple".
True. But there's another thing that I was just thinking. With the government forcing Canadians/Americans who cross the border to get passports, there will be a lot less Canadians going to Bills games. Canadians are a big amount of people at the Ralph. I just hope that the new passport thing doesn't screw Buffalo out of sellouts.

[The_Philster]

True. But there's another thing that I was just thinking. With the government forcing Canadians/Americans who cross the border to get passports, there will be a lot less Canadians going to Bills games. Canadians are a big amount of people at the Ralph. I just hope that the new passport thing doesn't screw Buffalo out of sellouts.

It just might. I heard this one guy call in to Howard Simon this morning on my way into work...he and his father were coming into the US for the Bills-Browns game and had to turn back because his father didn't have a recent passport. The guy makes it to a game or so a year and said that may no longer be the case after the experience. His father was treated like a common criminal for officials.

[Typ0]

It just might. I heard this one guy call in to Howard Simon this morning on my way into work...he and his father were coming into the US for the Bills-Browns game and had to turn back because his father didn't have a recent passport. The guy makes it to a game or so a year and said that may no longer be the case after the experience. His father was treated like a common criminal for officials.

in the short run it might make a difference...but in the long run the culture will adjust and it won't.

[L.A. Playa]

just another politician trying to get votes how much ya wanna bet he is up for reelection this year

[RedEyE]

True. But there's another thing that I was just thinking. With the government forcing Canadians/Americans who cross the border to get passports, there will be a lot less Canadians going to Bills games. Canadians are a big amount of people at the Ralph. I just hope that the new passport thing doesn't screw Buffalo out of sellouts.


It just might. I heard this one guy call in to Howard Simon this morning on my way into work...he and his father were coming into the US for the Bills-Browns game and had to turn back because his father didn't have a recent passport. The guy makes it to a game or so a year and said that may no longer be the case after the experience. His father was treated like a common criminal for officials.


in the short run it might make a difference...but in the long run the culture will adjust and it won't.

Typo is right. This is the price that we must all pay for certified security. I really don't see a problem with Canadian Bills fans using a Passpport to come to the games. It's just and added formality. A true fan wouldn't let that slow them down. Besides, a new stadium intown actually brings the Bills closer to Canada.

But we could ask them...

Hey Canadian Bills fans, would you reconsider buying Bills game tickets because you have to show a passport at the border?

[Michael82]

I mean, I go to Canada once in a while for the Canadian Ballet. But it's going to cost me $97 to get a damn passport now? **** that! I'll take my money to some local club or casino.

[RedEyE]

I mean, I go to Canada once in a while for the Canadian Ballet. But it's going to cost me $97 to get a damn passport now? **** that! I'll take my money to some local club or casino.

:rofl:

[Devin]

I dont care what happens, if it keeps the Bills in Buffalo do it.

[HurryUpTom]

I don't see a downtown stadium helping Buffalo at all ... I think it could actually hurt it. The NFL gives you 8 full home dates a year, plus 2 half games for pre-season and maybe a playoff game now and then. That's 9 games a season. There aren't too many events that require full use of a stadium, so the rest of the year, I don't think the stadium would be used to the capacity that demands the downtown land area that it would take up.

So you'd have an extra 9 dates a year, for which you may get some benefit, but you lose that land area for most of the rest of the year and you get higher taxes to top it off.

I say leave the stadium at Orchard Park.

[gr8slayer]

http://www.wgr550.com/fullstory.php?id=0772 (http://www.wgr550.com/fullstory.php?id=0772)

[gr8slayer]

(WGR 550) - Antoine M. Thompson, Masten District Council Member sponsored a resolution with the Common Council that will call for the construction of a new football stadium in downtown Buffalo for the Buffalo Bills. The resolution also asks for support in keeping the Bills here in Buffalo.

Thompson is hoping that a new stadium will help the economic situation as well as tourism in the City of Buffalo, especially with Bass Pro and the proposed Waterfront Development Project.

Thompson says, "Due to the location of the current stadium, some patrons lack sufficient access to the stadium. Relocating the stadium downtown will boost commercial and residential opportunities."

The Buffalo Bills have a current contract with Ralph Wilson Stadium that is a 15-year deal, with only 7 years remaining.

Thompson added, "I am confident that the City of Buffalo's administration, our partners in other levels of government, and stakeholders interested in rebuilding Buffalo will come forward in support of this effort."

Council Member Thompson will talk about the proposal live tonight with Brad Riter at 9pm on WGR Sports Radio 550am.

[SabreEleven]

If they build it with a roof, we could host a Super Bowl or two. :idunno:

[Mr. Cynical]

they better NEVER build a stadium in Buffalo with a roof...:up:

All one need do is look at how many dome teams win the SB and that's all the incentive I need to say no. The only compromise would be like Texas Stadium so that the fans can be more protected but the players get the brunt of the weather. That's what makes playing in Buffalo....playing in Buffalo. :D

[Balian]

In Berlin we had/ have a simular problem. The old Olympic stadium did need a renovation or Berlin a new stadium. In the End they decided to renovate it (in a "delux" version). The put only single seats in it, a roof over every place etc. .Now they have one big problem, they don't have enough events to get the yearly bills paid. And we have a scoccer team (17 home games) a NFLEL Team (5 home games) and some Rock events...
So the first thing I was asking myself, how many events do you have in Buffalo to get the downtown stadium paid ? I hope the Bills will get a new stadium, but I will be surprised if it will be a dome/ stadium in downtown. Especially after the NYJ stadium and the the finacial problems of Buffalo (cost for stadium maintenance).

[LifetimeBillsFan]

I'm all for this. I feel building a stadium actually in Buffalo could increase restaurant sales and perhaps even bring shopping back to the dowtown area. :up:

The first smart thing I've heard come out of Buffalo government in sometime! This is exactly what needs to be done to keep the Bills in Buffalo and to help the City of Buffalo out. For it to have a major impact on the city, the stadium would have to be a retractable dome that could accommodate other events during the winter. It has to be done right and I'm glad that this subject has finally been brought up. The Ralph is outdated and does need to be replaced AND it needs to be in downtown Buffalo!
It should have been done a LONG time ago! And, it would have been done if R.Wilson and the WNY politicians hadn't screwed Judge Hofheinz--the man who built the Astrodome in Houston--when he wanted to build a domed stadium in Downtown Buffalo circa 1970. It was the right thing to do for the city then and it would be now.

The problem was--and may still be--that Ralph Wilson did not want the Bills to play in the proposed stadium downtown and threatened to move the Bills if the stadium was built anywhere but in Orchard Park (which was why the stadium wasn't built in downtown Buffalo or in Lancaster--even though the County Legislature ultimately committed to building the stadium in Lancaster and had to pay millions of dollars to the investment group that was going to build the Lancaster stadium, so that, effectively the County had to pay for two stadiums, the Ralph and the unbuilt Lancaster stadium). Wilson also threatened to move if the stadium that was built in Orchard Park had a dome or roof--retractable roofs were not yet possible, but soft-domes, like the one in Minnesota, were already on the drawing-boards.

Then, as now, it doesn't matter whether it would be a good idea to build a stadium for the Bills downtown or to have a retractable roof on the stadium or not, if Ralph Wilson is unwilling to have the Bills play in the stadium that you are going to build there or moves the team if you don't give him the stadium that he wants. Wilson, even more so than the NFL, holds all of the cards on this issue.


wow....how amazing would that be for the city of Buffalo??? What if it ends up being one similar to the Jets, does anyone think we would ever get the Super Bowl??
There is no other way for Buffalo to get a Super Bowl. The NFL has a policy that it will not award the Super Bowl to any northern city that does not have a dome or roof over the stadium--this policy was the reason that NYC was not given a Super Bowl after 9/11 when the league was asked to do so and it is why the awarding of the 2010 SB to the Jets is contingent upon their getting their stadium built by 2009.


I still see no chance in this happening, especially if the Jets get their billion dollars for that stupid Westside Stadium. Plus, they just spent millions of dollars on renovating the Ralph less than 10 years ago. They don't have the money to spend on a brand new stadium.
The state probably will not pay the full cost of a stadium and neither the city nor the county have the money to pay what would be their share. But, if a stadium is not built within the next 10 years, it would be easy for the team and/or the NFL to argue that The Ralph is obsolete--even the renovations would be 20 years old by then....


Even more of a reason to fight for this. It's time for the State gov't to understand and realize that there is more to NY than the "Big Apple".
Actually, the best argument for the state to help Buffalo build a stadium would be if the state gives a big chunk of money to the Jets to build theirs because upstate legislators could argue that if the state helped NYC, it should also help Buffalo and upstate. However, given the local opposition to building the Jets stadium on the West Side of Manhattan, it is very likely that the stadium will not be approved in time to qualify for the 2012 Olympic bid and, without the Olympics, the state may not be willing to put up its share of the costs of a stadium there for the Jets. If that happens, the Jets will have a choice: stay in New Jersey or build their own stadium in Queens, near Shea Stadium (which is where most NYC area people think it should be). If they end up in Queens, the city and the state will put up some money, but not nearly as much as for the Manhattan stadium: it is estimated that the same stadium can be built in Queens for $350-400 million as opposed to close to $2 billion, with the state and NYC having to spend far less in infrastructure and improvements (the Jets don't want to build in Queens, but it makes a lot more sense for the taxpayers!). However, the less that the state gives to the Jets to build in Queens, the less that they would likely be willing to give to Buffalo or Erie County to build a stadium for the Bills. It's all about "horse trading"....


I dont care what happens, if it keeps the Bills in Buffalo do it.
Amen! Ultimately, that is the most important consideration. Like it or not, the Bills (far, far more than the Sabres) are what gives Buffalo positive national exposure and attention. Positive national exposure and attention is essential to attracting the kind of businesses that will solve the problems of the local economy--if the local politicians would ever get their heads out of rectal-defilade and aggressively try to attract new industries in new areas of technology to the area. Keeping the Bills in the Buffalo area is absolutely essential to the economic future of WNY and whatever needs to be done to keep the team there should be done regardless of the up-front cost.

[Typ0]

In Berlin we had/ have a simular problem. The old Olympic stadium did need a renovation or Berlin a new stadium. In the End they decided to renovate it (in a "delux" version). The put only single seats in it, a roof over every place etc. .Now they have one big problem, they don't have enough events to get the yearly bills paid. And we have a scoccer team (17 home games) a NFLEL Team (5 home games) and some Rock events...
So the first thing I was asking myself, how many events do you have in Buffalo to get the downtown stadium paid ? I hope the Bills will get a new stadium, but I will be surprised if it will be a dome/ stadium in downtown. Especially after the NYJ stadium and the the finacial problems of Buffalo (cost for stadium maintenance).


Orchard park doesn't want the events or the stadium. That is a good reason to keep it there :snicker:

[G. Host]

So the first thing I was asking myself, how many events do you have in Buffalo to get the downtown stadium paid ? I hope the Bills will get a new stadium, but I will be surprised if it will be a dome/ stadium in downtown. Especially after the NYJ stadium and the the finacial problems of Buffalo (cost for stadium maintenance).

Balian has a good point - how is Buffalo going to afford a stadium when Erie County can not afford stadium maintenance and they will certainly be called in to be unequal partners?

Maybe they will seel the land to a local American Indian tribe, turn the domed stadium into a Casino during non-game days and make it the only legal gambing place in Buffalo.

[OpIv37]

Phil beat you to it- http://www.billszone.com/fanzone/showthread.php?t=68983

[R. Rich]

echo, echo

[ryjam282]

What about the new turf they just put in? That will be a big waste of money.

[THATHURMANATOR]

I would love this!!! I could walk to the stadium!!!

[Philagape]

:up:

All one need do is look at how many dome teams win the SB and that's all the incentive I need to say no. The only compromise would be like Texas Stadium so that the fans can be more protected but the players get the brunt of the weather. That's what makes playing in Buffalo....playing in Buffalo. :D

:huh:
How many dome teams would have won the SB if they hadn't played in domes? The Saints? Lions? Seahawks? Colts? Oilers? Falcons? I don't think their domes were/are the reason they haven't won it.

[The Natrix]

I hate the idea of a roof, limited tailgating space, and more driving time, but if it's the only way to keep the Bills in Buffalo for a long, long time, then I'm all for it.

[Michael82]

I hate the idea of a roof, limited tailgating space, and more driving time, but if it's the only way to keep the Bills in Buffalo for a long, long time, then I'm all for it.
I agree with that.

[ParanoidAndroid]

What about the new turf they just put in? That will be a big waste of money.

Turf is moveable and the least of our worries.

If the City of Buffalo is to grow, a stadium in the downtown area would help a little, but real growth has to come from high tech and service industry of which Buffalo has virtually none. The city has a few decent universities with quality students graduating every year and taking their educations out of the area. It's a real shame. The tax base is horrible because the population is dwindling and high paying jobs are scarce. Any money that Buffalo would spend on a new stadium should first be used as incentive for attracting new industry into the city. A new stadium proposal would be much better received in a healthier economic environment. A new stadium could help, but the costs can't be absorbed by a bankrupt economy. It's kind of like a person in the midst of a foreclosure trying to take out a second mortgage.

[tampabay25690]

wow....how amazing would that be for the city of Buffalo??? What if it ends up being one similar to the Jets, does anyone think we would ever get the Super Bowl??

YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Why would they even risk having a SuperBowl in Buffalo, how many hotels do we even have downtown and area, not many......How many times have we had storms that have shut us down for a few days, I tried traveling to B lo this weekend . I dont want to be negative about the whole thing, but the reason I LEFT Buffalo was becasue of the economy in the area, like my father just told me after coming down here if General Motors, Ford, Dunlop, or the BILLS left its all over...........

[THATHURMANATOR]

How much longer driving time is it? Like 20 minutes. I live DT and that is about how long it takes to get to the ralph.

[BuffaloRanger]

Buffalo will never get a SB even with a dome. Did you forget that Jacksonville had to bring in cruise ships to provide enough hotel rooms for it's SB.

1. The Bills could leave after Ralph passes due to inheritence tax regardless where our stadium is.
2. Tailgating in cities sucks. Ever been to New Orleans. Parking garages.
3. 10 or 11 events will not provide a great influx to businesses. Fans are there to go to the game, not to shop. Restaurants get more business 41 nights a year, if the NHL ever starts up again.
4. There is nothing wrong with the Ralph. It's not falling apart, (Pats/Cowboys/SeaHawks). It's not shared with another team (Jets).

This is a political Siver Bullet. Plain and simple. Take the tax money and actually build something on the waterfront - the city's greatest wasted resource for the last 30 years. That could be something that would actually bring tourists into Buffalo during the summer. Imagine that. They would shop, eat, take pictures of our beautiful signature bridge. The Pride of Buffalo.

Ahh, yes. The signature bridge? When is that getting built? Give us a great bridge that Buffalo can put on merchandise. If Buffalo ever gets on National TV, they show Niagara Falls. Maybe it could beat out the Golden Gate for most suicides!

[mysticsoto]

Actually, that is something that worries me. Does anybody believe the Bills will remain here after Ralph Wilson is gone???

[Michael82]

Actually, that is something that worries me. Does anybody believe the Bills will remain here after Ralph Wilson is gone???
yeah I believe they will stay. So don't try to bring me down. :mad:

[BFBills]

the ralph is awesome dont move it, move buffalo...lol :)

[Mr. Cynical]

:huh:
How many dome teams would have won the SB if they hadn't played in domes? The Saints? Lions? Seahawks? Colts? Oilers? Falcons? I don't think their domes were/are the reason they haven't won it.
I would definitely make the case for the Oilers, Colts and Falcons. You can also look to how dome teams fare in bad weather playoff games where they don't even make it to the SB.

Now, it's certainly not the *only* factor, but I don't want there to be even one iota of an additional negative factor for the Bills. :smile:

[Wolffman]

This might be well-wishing, but a new stadium could really spark interest in a MLB team. To those who have forgotten, Buffalo was EXTREMELY close to getting a MLB franchise, but Arizona got it instead. A new, state of the art stadium would make our bid for a MLB team even more solid. You guys are talking about not having enough events? Baseball has 81 home games!!!

[DMBcrew36]

This might be well-wishing, but a new stadium could really spark interest in a MLB team. To those who have forgotten, Buffalo was EXTREMELY close to getting a MLB franchise, but Arizona got it instead. A new, state of the art stadium would make our bid for a MLB team even more solid. You guys are talking about not having enough events? Baseball has 81 home games!!!Schedules wouldn't conflict, would they? Would the field be as good?

[tampabay25690]

This might be well-wishing, but a new stadium could really spark interest in a MLB team. To those who have forgotten, Buffalo was EXTREMELY close to getting a MLB franchise, but Arizona got it instead. A new, state of the art stadium would make our bid for a MLB team even more solid. You guys are talking about not having enough events? Baseball has 81 home games!!!


YEA AND WHO IN THE CITY WILL SUPPORT A MLB TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If the attendance was an average of 10,000 that would be alot....

Until the city and the area changes ways, us Buffalonians will be stuck with what is there.............Why do u think so many people move away from Buff!!!!!!!

[BuffaloRanger]

People move away from Buffalo because they are pussies that can't handle the cold and the snow. They say it's jobs, but then they move someplace warm like Tampa. What there were no jobs in NYC, Chicago, Denver or Minneapolis? Tampa was your only option? Spin it however you want, it isn't jobs, or taxes, it's the weather primarily.

You don't know **** about the history of baseball in Buffalo. The Bisons set Minor League Baseball attendence records. Over a million a year in a stadium that holds 20,000 for AAA is damn good. And they did it over and over again.

If you look at how close Buffalo has been to getting a Baseball Team in the last 30 years it's sickening. It's happened 3 different times since 1957. There was a story about it in a buffalo business magazine just last week. 50's, 60's, and 90's they made it to the final 3. The 90s it was decided that although they have a great fanbase, the TV market wasn't big enough. It's all about TV. Fans don't mean ****.

And they already have a baseball stadium downtown that could be expanded to seat 50,000. No way in hell would they leave it to play in a football stadium.

[Bill Brasky]

People move away from Buffalo because they are pussies that can't handle the cold and the snow. They say it's jobs, but then they move someplace warm like Tampa. What there were no jobs in NYC, Chicago, Denver or Minneapolis? Tampa was your only option? Spin it however you want, it isn't jobs, or taxes, it's the weather primarily.


:ill:

Unfortunately I moved away cuz I got a job in NYC... I like the snow and sort of miss it, and I'd much rather be working in Buffalo... the wierdest part is my work was located in Buffalo but they relocated in the 80's of course.

I don't see a stadium happening, esp after the asswads here in the city are probably going to get their all-important, money pit of a stadium so they "maybe" can get the boring ass olympics in a few years.

I don't care for baseball. I've only gone to a handful of MLB games in my life but if there was a team in Buffalo when I was growing up I would have went to games all the time and probably been more in to baseball, and I would go now if they had a team. Sucks they will probably never get one though :sigh:

[Voltron]

I do not want to see this happen EVER! The Buffalo Bills are a REGONAL FRANCHISE! I come all the way from Syracuse and having to drive to downtown Buffalo for games would SUCK. Lets face it how safe would you feel with your car in downtown Buffalo while you are away from it for 3 to 4 hours? It is bad enough that I barely trust the parking attendants now ... I couldn't imagine what it would be like in downtown. If anything it should be closer to Rochester or maybe closer to the boarder considering that a large % of fans come from Canada.

And for the people that think the Bills will move ... Why would you move a team that sells out a 72,000 person stadium during a .500 season! Jacksonville had a good team for the last few years and practically has to beg people to go!

[tampabay25690]

People move away from Buffalo because they are pussies that can't handle the cold and the snow. They say it's jobs, but then they move someplace warm like Tampa. What there were no jobs in NYC, Chicago, Denver or Minneapolis? Tampa was your only option? Spin it however you want, it isn't jobs, or taxes, it's the weather primarily.

You don't know **** about the history of baseball in Buffalo. The Bisons set Minor League Baseball attendence records. Over a million a year in a stadium that holds 20,000 for AAA is damn good. And they did it over and over again.

If you look at how close Buffalo has been to getting a Baseball Team in the last 30 years it's sickening. It's happened 3 different times since 1957. There was a story about it in a buffalo business magazine just last week. 50's, 60's, and 90's they made it to the final 3. The 90s it was decided that although they have a great fanbase, the TV market wasn't big enough. It's all about TV. Fans don't mean ****.

And they already have a baseball stadium downtown that could be expanded to seat 50,000. No way in hell would they leave it to play in a football stadium.

Weather means nothing at all..............I live in buffalo over 26 years it wasnt the wether at all....I actually like the cold and snow!!!!!

You say it isnt the economy huh, WHAT DO YOU KNOW......The city is in suck shambles you will never know. Dont get me wrong I love Buffalo and thats where all my family is. AND by the way I didnt have to move to Tampa, I could have moved to anywhere I wanted in the USA.......

Its good you are sticking up for your city, and guess what I have to EVERYDAY OF my life when people ask me where I am from............But face it if the economy doesnt change and the politicians that are running are city dont change there will be major problems in the near future...

[Voltron]

But face it if the economy doesnt change and the politicians that are running are city dont change there will be major problems in the near future...

What Future :idunno:

[tampabay25690]

People move away from Buffalo because they are pussies that can't handle the cold and the snow. They say it's jobs, but then they move someplace warm like Tampa. What there were no jobs in NYC, Chicago, Denver or Minneapolis? Tampa was your only option? Spin it however you want, it isn't jobs, or taxes, it's the weather primarily.

You don't know **** about the history of baseball in Buffalo. The Bisons set Minor League Baseball attendence records. Over a million a year in a stadium that holds 20,000 for AAA is damn good. And they did it over and over again.

If you look at how close Buffalo has been to getting a Baseball Team in the last 30 years it's sickening. It's happened 3 different times since 1957. There was a story about it in a buffalo business magazine just last week. 50's, 60's, and 90's they made it to the final 3. The 90s it was decided that although they have a great fanbase, the TV market wasn't big enough. It's all about TV. Fans don't mean ****.

And they already have a baseball stadium downtown that could be expanded to seat 50,000. No way in hell would they leave it to play in a football stadium.

So you are the only one that knows history about Buffalo huh...........I know the Bisons use to sell out every game, so did Cleveland, now they are lucky to see 20,000 (WHAT YEAR WAS THAT)....EXACTLY......Hey dont get me wrong I love it there and still visit, but the truth to the matter is when you have more opportunities to move away and make alot more $$$$$$$ you will am I correct!!!!!!!!

[tampabay25690]

What Future :idunno:

Exactly, Hey I love it there and my wife is from where your from Auburn, but things have changed in the hole area, and I dont regret 1 minute for moving and making double the $$$$$$$

[tampabay25690]

People move away from Buffalo because they are pussies that can't handle the cold and the snow. They say it's jobs, but then they move someplace warm like Tampa. What there were no jobs in NYC, Chicago, Denver or Minneapolis? Tampa was your only option? Spin it however you want, it isn't jobs, or taxes, it's the weather primarily.

You don't know **** about the history of baseball in Buffalo. The Bisons set Minor League Baseball attendence records. Over a million a year in a stadium that holds 20,000 for AAA is damn good. And they did it over and over again.

If you look at how close Buffalo has been to getting a Baseball Team in the last 30 years it's sickening. It's happened 3 different times since 1957. There was a story about it in a buffalo business magazine just last week. 50's, 60's, and 90's they made it to the final 3. The 90s it was decided that although they have a great fanbase, the TV market wasn't big enough. It's all about TV. Fans don't mean ****.

And they already have a baseball stadium downtown that could be expanded to seat 50,000. No way in hell would they leave it to play in a football stadium.


Listen Im not gonna argue with you because Im just to busy.................But people dont move becasue there pussies, the best people I have met are usually from Buffalo we just know how it is...............TRUST me when I say this there is alot out there compared to Buff...........GO BILLS!!!!!!!!

[ParanoidAndroid]

I do not want to see this happen EVER! The Buffalo Bills are a REGONAL FRANCHISE! I come all the way from Syracuse and having to drive to downtown Buffalo for games would SUCK. Lets face it how safe would you feel with your car in downtown Buffalo while you are away from it for 3 to 4 hours? It is bad enough that I barely trust the parking attendants now ... I couldn't imagine what it would be like in downtown. If anything it should be closer to Rochester or maybe closer to the boarder considering that a large % of fans come from Canada.

And for the people that think the Bills will move ... Why would you move a team that sells out a 72,000 person stadium during a .500 season! Jacksonville had a good team for the last few years and practically has to beg people to go!


I've parked my car downtown quite a lot. So far the boogeyman hasn't gotten my CD player yet. If you park your car over Eastside, then you might get your s*** stolen.

[Voltron]

I've parked my car downtown quite a lot. So far the boogeyman hasn't gotten my CD player yet. If you park your car over Eastside, then you might get your s*** stolen.
Well my stereo is more than just a CD player I have about $3000 invested in it. :dj:


They are called the Buffalo Bills isn't that enough? It is not like we want to change the name we just want it to be located in an area that is easily accessible to ALL Bills fans not just those that live in the City of Buffalo. It could be worse they could be called the NY Bills and have a stadium in Canada or PA :rolleyes:

[trapezeus]

People move away from Buffalo because they are pussies that can't handle the cold and the snow. They say it's jobs, but then they move someplace warm like Tampa. What there were no jobs in NYC, Chicago, Denver or Minneapolis? Tampa was your only option? Spin it however you want, it isn't jobs, or taxes, it's the weather primarily.

You don't know **** about the history of baseball in Buffalo. The Bisons set Minor League Baseball attendence records. Over a million a year in a stadium that holds 20,000 for AAA is damn good. And they did it over and over again.

If you look at how close Buffalo has been to getting a Baseball Team in the last 30 years it's sickening. It's happened 3 different times since 1957. There was a story about it in a buffalo business magazine just last week. 50's, 60's, and 90's they made it to the final 3. The 90s it was decided that although they have a great fanbase, the TV market wasn't big enough. It's all about TV. Fans don't mean ****.

And they already have a baseball stadium downtown that could be expanded to seat 50,000. No way in hell would they leave it to play in a football stadium.
Baseball may set minor league attendence records. It is short sighted to think that would automatically translate if Buffalo had a major league team. The cost of salaries for minor leaguers is significantly cheaper. IF it cost the average bison's fan 3-4 times more to go to each game, plus $7 beers and $5 hotdogs, attendence would drop. And then the owner will complain cause he/she will be losing money hand over fist.

The real problem is that people think Buffalo is this major city and needs major city items. We don't. We have two teams who mean the world to us. We have one of the most friendly people in the country. Buffalo Hospitality beats Southern hospitality hands down. We have some of the best food (wings, chefs, roast beef. etc), we have one of the lowest costs of living, and a natural wonder of the world.

If we thought outside the box and made vistors/tourists get to enjoy our greatest attritbutes by having more things that compliment our strengths, we'd grow. We'd get national exposure. unfortunately, that takes a lot of hard work and a lot of thought. And the people that have been elected are always looking for the easy answer.

[Voltron]

And it always seems that the answers are "THROW MORE MONEY AT IT!" :shakeno: