Being a pessimist is taking the easy way out.

[lordofgun]

It's easy to say everything sucks, and be right, than to believe. It's easy to say we won't make the playoffs and be right since 20 teams don't make the playoffs every year. It's easy to say we will never win a Super Bowl because 31 teams don't every year. It's easy to say Marv will be a bad GM because he's never done it before, and it's his first year with the Bills in rebuilding mode.

Pessimists take the easy way out, and expect credit for it when they're right. Sorry, not gonna happen. That's like predicting USC football will make a bowl game and proclaiming yourself a genius when it happens.

I'd rather hope on the long shot that things will go right than to be fairly certain that everything sucks, and let that get in the way of the fun of being a Bills fan.

The odds are on your side, pessimists. But I refuse to become one of you. I'd rather stop watching football.

[YardRat]

If this isn't the stupidest "us vs. them" pissing match I've ever seen on a message board, I don't know what is.

[lordofgun]

If this isn't the stupidest "us vs. them" pissing match I've ever seen on a message board, I don't know what is.

You don't remember Flutie vs. Johnson?

[YardRat]

Flutie/Johnson was a classic QB controversy that at least had meritable arguments on both sides.

Fan vs. fan with the only basis consisting of what type of fan you are is just plain dumb-ass.

[The_Philster]

Great thread, Log

[lordofgun]

I disagree. It affects the whole fandome and definitely this message board. It sucks to log on and always read about how much we're gonna suck with pessimist arguing with pessimist about who should get the credit and who said we'd suck first.

[The_Philster]

To have fans at each other's throats like the Flutie-Johnson stupidity made us laughingstocks around the league..and now, coming on here to see so many claiming we're gonna suck, we're gonna suck, we're gonna suck...it's nauseating. Fan is short for fanatic..

.	A person affected by excessive enthusiasm

http://www.webster-dictionary.net/definition/Fanatic
Isn't enthusiasm generally regarded to be a positive emotion?

[YardRat]

It sucks to log on and always read about how much we're gonna suck

I've never gotten that impression...at least not to the point where it was dominating the boards. Most threads seem pretty balanced to me.

[shelby]

Thank you log! Well said!

[YardRat]

To have fans at each other's throats like the Flutie-Johnson stupidity made us laughingstocks around the league

QB controversies always split fans into camps...it's a quality that is inherent to the nature of the situation. It happens to any fan base of any team that is experiencing one. Hell, even in the glory years there were fans that thought Reich should be elevated to starter over Kelly...it's the nature of the position.

I can honestly say I've never seen an argument amongst fans that deteriorated to the point where they were split into groups determining what kind of fan they were.

If any pre-game show ever did a spot on a discussion like this...THEN you'd see laughing-stock.

[The_Philster]

I truly think it was nastier with the Flutie-Johnson thing than with most.

[YardRat]

I truly think it was nastier with the Flutie-Johnson thing than with most.

I don't disagree with that...I never quantified my position by the level of nastiness. It's not about how nasty the discussions become...it's about the subject matter that the discussions are based on.

QB vs QB...Flutie vs Johnson...Losman vs Holcomb...understandable.

Fan vs fan...'homer' vs 'realist'...dumb-ass.

[LtBillsFan66]

It's easy to say everything sucks, and be right, than to believe. It's easy to say we won't make the playoffs and be right since 20 teams don't make the playoffs every year. It's easy to say we will never win a Super Bowl because 31 teams don't every year. It's easy to say Marv will be a bad GM because he's never done it before, and it's his first year with the Bills in rebuilding mode.

Pessimists take the easy way out, and expect credit for it when they're right. Sorry, not gonna happen. That's like predicting USC football will make a bowl game and proclaiming yourself a genius when it happens.

I'd rather hope on the long shot that things will go right than to be fairly certain that everything sucks, and let that get in the way of the fun of being a Bills fan.

The odds are on your side, pessimists. But I refuse to become one of you. I'd rather stop watching football.

[OpIv37]

It's easy to say everything sucks, and be right, than to believe. It's easy to say we won't make the playoffs and be right since 20 teams don't make the playoffs every year. It's easy to say we will never win a Super Bowl because 31 teams don't every year. It's easy to say Marv will be a bad GM because he's never done it before, and it's his first year with the Bills in rebuilding mode.

Pessimists take the easy way out, and expect credit for it when they're right. Sorry, not gonna happen. That's like predicting USC football will make a bowl game and proclaiming yourself a genius when it happens.

I'd rather hope on the long shot that things will go right than to be fairly certain that everything sucks, and let that get in the way of the fun of being a Bills fan.

The odds are on your side, pessimists. But I refuse to become one of you. I'd rather stop watching football.

you're dead wrong. First, I've never claimed to be a genius- in fact I've openly admitted several times that I'm predicting the most likely outcome (hence the term "realist"). I'm not trying to make any bold predictions or prove that I'm smarter than someone else- just saying what I honestly think is going to happen based on past results and knowledge of football (not superior knowledge- just average fan knowledge).

Second, if us pessimists are right, we still lose because it means the Bills suck. When I predicted that the Bills would struggle last year, I didn't come back and post any "I told you so" threads because being right is little consolation when the Bills suck.

And as hard as this may be for you to believe, some of us can admit that everything sucks about this team and still have fun. In fact, a win is all that much sweeter when you're expecting a loss. An optimist can never be pleasantly surprised- he can only been disappointed.

[THATHURMANATOR]

It's easy to say everything sucks, and be right, than to believe. It's easy to say we won't make the playoffs and be right since 20 teams don't make the playoffs every year. It's easy to say we will never win a Super Bowl because 31 teams don't every year. It's easy to say Marv will be a bad GM because he's never done it before, and it's his first year with the Bills in rebuilding mode.

Pessimists take the easy way out, and expect credit for it when they're right. Sorry, not gonna happen. That's like predicting USC football will make a bowl game and proclaiming yourself a genius when it happens.

I'd rather hope on the long shot that things will go right than to be fairly certain that everything sucks, and let that get in the way of the fun of being a Bills fan.

The odds are on your side, pessimists. But I refuse to become one of you. I'd rather stop watching football.

No they are realists log....

[LtBillsFan66]

I like to see "realists'" arms get caught in wood chippers.

[shelby]

Wow, that's pretty hostile.

[The_Philster]

some of us can admit that everything sucks about this team and still have fun. In fact, a win is all that much sweeter when you're expecting a loss. An optimist can never be pleasantly surprised- he can only been disappointed.

If everything sucked about this team, we'd never score a point or stop an opponent from scoring...let alone win any games....you're exaggerating...again. As far as optimists, most of us you're debating with are more realistic than that. We don't have high expectations for the most part but hearing all the exaggerations about how bad the team is (when we haven't even been in training camp yet, let alone played a game to get any real clue what this team is gonna be like) really makes the season something harder to look forward to.
Simply put, the exaggerated negativity is a buzzkill for those of us who look forward to football season each year. A few more weeks of this garbage, and the only thing I'll be able to look forward to is my photography and publicity work

[lordofgun]

you're dead wrong. First, I've never claimed to be a genius- in fact I've openly admitted several times that I'm predicting the most likely outcome (hence the term "realist"). I'm not trying to make any bold predictions or prove that I'm smarter than someone else- just saying what I honestly think is going to happen based on past results and knowledge of football (not superior knowledge- just average fan knowledge).

Second, if us pessimists are right, we still lose because it means the Bills suck. When I predicted that the Bills would struggle last year, I didn't come back and post any "I told you so" threads because being right is little consolation when the Bills suck.

And as hard as this may be for you to believe, some of us can admit that everything sucks about this team and still have fun. In fact, a win is all that much sweeter when you're expecting a loss. An optimist can never be pleasantly surprised- he can only been disappointed.

It's not always about you, Op.

[shelby]

Of course, there is always the option of not reading these threads....