Don't agree with them all and unless they are talking about record books. Jimbo was a better QB than Marino; Marino got the stats but Jimbo got the job done.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...-25-series.htm
Bruce Smith Smith sacked his way to the top
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/footb...5-voting_N.htm
Shows all of the voting. Jimbo was #26 (Just short again, dammit!)
How Thurman did not get votes, I'll never know.
Originally Posted by mysticsoto
This is an imposssible ranking.
There are more than 25 players who should all be tied for #1.
Tom Brady at 9!!!! I mean I don't want to take anything away from the kid. He scares the crap out of me every time the Bills have to play him but #9!!! WTF!!!
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And not that I think the guy is a great person or anything, but no matter what he did OJ deserves to be on that list in the Top 10. I wish we could some how explain to people what he did on the football field has nothing to do with what he did 20 years later. Had he not been such a waste of skin 20 years later he would have been in the top 10 of that list.
There is no f-in way brady should be in the top 10. Top 25 yes but not the top 10. Why is bradshaw so low and brady so high. Oh wait he is the golden boy of the nfl and he would not of been in the top 10 he would of cried to the nfl.
And deion sanders what the hell. What cause he had some good seasons he didn't change the game. Except for running his mouth. Well he was a great tackler if you count pushing someone out of bounds tackling. This list is crap.
Brady ahead of Marino??? I don't think so.
Ummmm, NO! Jim Kelley was a great QB, but he wasn't in Marinos area code. Marino played 7 more years, threw for almost twice as many yards, Kelly never once threw for 4000 yards in a season. Marino threw for 4000+ yards 6 times. This isn't a knock on Kelly by any means, it's just they were asked to do different things. Based on their stats Marino is head a shoulders ahead of Kelly.
Last edited by duhbilz; 08-08-2007 at 12:30 AM.
Dickerson and no Thurman? What a joke. Not being a biased Bills fan here, but that's just not right. I could understand if Eric was NOT on the list, then TT wouldn't be either. But since he IS on the list, that opens up a huge can of worms IMO.
That's why it's impossible. It's like trying to rank the best songs of the past.
I might agree with you, but OJ wasn't playing within the last 25 years.
Marino was great at throwing the ball but that is it. He was a poor leader on the field and was not very good at faking it to RBs getting his running backs killed. Duration isn't everything.
Oh and Kellly played additional years in USFL like some other great players like Young and White so he did not play 7 "additional" years
Absolutely Brady should be ahead of him.
My biggest disappointment is that Aikman made the list. He's one of the most over-rated QBs of all time.
"'Clean up your room.', 'Stand up straight.', 'Pick up your feet.', 'Take it like a man.', 'Be nice to your sister.', 'Don't mix beer and wine, ever.'. Oh yeah, 'Don't drive on the railroad track.'"
"Eh, Phil. That's one I happen to agree with."
Yikes..... Kelly better than Marino? Thats a hefty hefty statement. Kelly was a better leader but you can't wear blinders when talking about Marino as a QB.
I remember that one fateful day when Coach took me aside. I knew what was coming. "You don't have to tell me," I said. "I'm off the team, aren't I?"
"Well," said Coach, "you never were really ON the team. You made that uniform you're wearing out of rags and towels, and your helmet is a toy space helmet.
You show up at practice and then either steal the ball and make us chase you to get it back, or you try to tackle people at inappropriate times."
It was all true what he was saying. And yet, I thought something is brewing inside the head of this Coach.
He sees something in me, some kind of raw talent that he can mold. But that's when I felt the handcuffs go on.
Agreed!
Disagree. Marino didn't have half the talent around him that Brady did, and he still put up big numbers. Brady's receivers are what makes him look good.
http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com...le.php?Page=57Myth: Dan Marino had no defense.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino played 17 seasons in the NFL. Twice, he had the luxury of playing with the league’s No. 1 scoring defense: his rookie year of 1983 (15.6 points per game), and again in 1998 (16.6 points per game). That’s a pretty enviable ratio in a league that had 28 and then 30 teams in Marino’s playing days.
Consider this: Terry Bradshaw played 14 seasons in Pittsburgh and won four Super Bowls. The famed Steel Curtain defense that he played with led the league in scoring just twice in those 14 years. Of Bradshaw's four title teams, only one boasted the league's best scoring defense.
In Marino’s record-setting 1984 season, the Dolphins had the No. 1 scoring offense in football and the No. 6 scoring defense (18.6 points per game). The 1990 Dolphins, meanwhile, boasted the league’s No. 4 scoring defense, surrendering just 15.1 points per game.
There’s no doubt Marino played with some poor defenses in his day, but that’s the price of playing in the league 17 years. But the Cold, Hard Football Facts show that he also played with several defenses more than strong enough to win Super Bowls.
Myth: Marino had no running game.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Marino joined Miami at a time when it had a reputation of being the best ground team in football. In fact, the year before Marino was drafted, the Dolphins made it all the way to the Super Bowl on the strength of a great running game and great defense.
In Marino’s rookie year, 1983, the Dolphins racked up 2,150 yards on the ground. In 1984, Marino set single-season records with 48 touchdowns and 5,084 yards passing. The Dolphins still managed 1,918 rushing yards and averaged 4.0 yards per carry.
It would be disingenuous to say that the Dolphins were a great running team later in Marino’s career. Of course, much of that can be attributed to too few rushing attempts and a misguided faith placed in Marino’s arm.
But consider this: The New England Patriots went 17-2 and won the Super Bowl last year while averaging a woeful 3.4 yards per rushing attempt. The Dolphins averaged more than 3.4 yards per rushing attempt 14 times in Marino’s 17 seasons. In other words, Marino's Dolphins ran the ball more than well enough to win Super Bowls.
Myth: Marino had to carry the Dolphins himself.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Few quarterbacks in NFL history have been surrounded by more talent than Marino.
In his 17-year career, Marino played with 55 players named to the Pro Bowl. Marino himself was named a Pro Bowler nine times. That’s a remarkable 64 Pro Bowl players, or nearly four for every season Marino spent in the NFL. Four times in Marino’s career, the Dolphins boasted five or more Pro Bowl players in a single season. Compare that with New England’s two Super Bowl teams, which had a total of just five Pro Bowl players.
Marino also had the rare luxury of joining a team that had played in the Super Bowl the year before he arrived. He also played most of his career for the winningest coach in NFL history, Don Shula.
Shula has quite a resume. Working with quarterbacks Bob Griese, Earl Morrall and Johnny Unitas, he led the Colts and Dolphins to five Super Bowls in 15 years. Over the next 13 seasons, working with Marino, he appeared in just one more Super Bowl. He lost.
If any quarterback in NFL history walked into an ideal situation in which to win a Super Bowl, it was Dan Marino.
Myth: Marino was a big-game quarterback.
Cold, Hard Football Facts: Want to know the real reason why Marino never won a Super Bowl? Sadly, the answer sits with Dan Marino himself.
Simply put, Marino did not elevate his game in the playoffs. In fact, his played dropped off quite noticeably. Marino has a career regular season passer rating of 86.4. His postseason passer rating was just 77.1. He played in 18 playoff games, and won just eight of them.
In his one Super Bowl appearance (a 38-16 loss to the 49ers in Super Bowl XIX), Marino completed 29 of 50 passes for 318 yards, 1 TD and 2 INTs. It adds up to a weak 66.9 passer rating. One wonders what might have happened had his two Super Bowl drives that ended in interceptions ended in touchdowns instead.
Remember that 1998 Miami team that had the best defense in football? It made the playoffs, but Marino failed to hold up his end of the bargain. The season ended in the second round of the playoffs, with Marino coughing up two interceptions against Denver and posting a passer rating of just 65.5. Yet another opportunity for Marino to win a Super Bowl tossed into the hands of an opposing defender.
In fact, Marino threw at least one interception in 13 of his 18 career playoff games. He threw two or more interceptions 10 times. The Dolphins went just 1-9 in those 10 Marino multi-interception playoff games.
Jim had a better supporting cast. Give Dan Thurman in his prime and they win a Superbowl. BTW, not to talk smack in any way....but you say Jim got the job done. Still his and Dan's combined Superbowl rings still equal Zero
And why bother pulling off a good fake to the RB anyway.....everyone knew they weren't running because they never had a good back to run it
Smith sacked his way to the top...
Hillary made it to the top from the sack...and marriage
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